Love Glocks, hate the company

[Nom de Forum]

It's mostly a contrarian thing. I dislike Glocks because they aren't interesting to me, and they aren't interesting because everyone has one and they're all the same. Kinda like trying to be a Carolla enthusiast; while they may be fine cars, they're nothing to get excited about, and thus, not a draw for an enthusiast (I need enthusiasm ). When an entire company is like that, I try to ignore the company in pursuit of more interesting fare, and then everyone else is constantly in my face about how awesome this boring company is. It's maddening!

TCB

You appear to be a curmudgeon who has discovered an aspect of Sartre's definition of hell being other people. Why not embrace the boring but lethal utility of the Glock with the same lack of emotional attachment as a Roman Legionary had for the Gladius? Save your enthusiasm for the interesting firearms that are better suited for enjoyment than the mundane uses the Glock so efficiently performs. If you cannot, I hope you find refuge from the madding crowd that assaults your aesthetic and engineering sensitivities.

 

[Bill_Shelton]

Yeah...i don't care for the Glock Company, either. They have released so many guns with design flaws and then blame it on the user. Seriously, I wouldn't rely on a Glock for self defense.

 

[meanmrmustard]

I don't want my defensive firearms to be interesting.

I just want them to work.

That's it.

Heavily agree.

 

[45_auto]

I wouldn't rely on a Glock for self defense.

What esteemed model of pistol protection WOULD you rely on, if not a Glock?

(Don't worry, whatever you mention at least a few dozen people will gladly chime in and tell you how many problems they have had with them and how crappy they are! )

 

[TarDevil]

Yeah...i don't care for the Glock Company, either. They have released so many guns with design flaws and then blame it on the user. Seriously, I wouldn't rely on a Glock for self defense.

I really thought this was tongue-in-cheek at first... but then you did say "seriously."

I have to chuckle.

 

[tarosean]

Don't feed the troll...

 

[Spats McGee]

I don't need a lot of innovation. I'd rather have reliability.

 

[Nom de Forum]

Yeah...i don't care for the Glock Company, either. They have released so many guns with design flaws and then blame it on the user. Seriously, I wouldn't rely on a Glock for self defense.

Greetings. Thank you for your rare sojourn to a THR thread from what I and others assume is your home in the isolated parts of Scandinavia. I think the rest of us will find it interesting if you elaborate on the comments made in your post.

 

[GLOOB]

Bubitts has continued to innovate. His post-Glock designs have been hampered by the Glock patents, and he's also not getting any younger. And in case you didn't hear, the last project he worked on wasn't exactly a resounding success. Massive Caracal recall with no possible fix.

Some things are just hard to improve. The Browning tilt-lock mechanism, for instance. Still going strong for over a hundred years.

 

[TarDevil]

I think the rest of us will find it interesting if you elaborate on the comments made in your post.

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[Bill_Shelton]

Greetings. Thank you for your rare sojourn to a THR thread from what I and others assume is your home in the isolated parts of Scandinavia. I think the rest of us will find it interesting if you elaborate on the comments made in your post.

Sure...why not. There is no one particular Brand or type that I prefer over a Glock - I just want a pistol that works. I want a pistol that doesn't Jam because it doesn't like how it's being held. I mean, if I want something that gets all bitchy about the way it's held, I'll go visit my high-maintenance girlfriend.

And here's some anecdotal evidence, other than myself, I have known of four other people who have used guns for self defense. In all four of those cases, each one of them fumbled for their weapon before getting hold of it and every one had a bad grip because they: 1. were a woman pointing a gun from a driver's seat, or; 2. Were men who had slick hands because they were working when they were attacked, or; 3 were being beaten about the head and shoulders with a club because they were ambushed. As a result, there was a reason that a Glock might have failed in every circumstance because these people did not play the game and get their gun properly held before the criminals showed up and attacked them. What...are we supposed to say to the criminals "Wait...that's not fair...I got to get a proper grip on my Glock before you ambush me - you have got to give me warning!"

Anyways...I'd like to share with you a video of a Glock failing - a test it failed that other guns passed. When you watch it, i want you to imagine the bad guy beating you sensless while your Glock Fails:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU

 

[Warp]

Sure...why not. There is no one particular Brand or type that I prefer over a Glock - I just want a pistol that works. I want a pistol that doesn't Jam because it doesn't like how it's being held. I mean, if I want something that gets all bitchy about the way it's held, I'll go visit my high-maintenance girlfriend.

And here's some anecdotal evidence, other than myself, I have known of four other people who have used guns for self defense. In all four of those cases, each one of them fumbled for their weapon before getting hold of it and every one had a bad grip because they: 1. were a woman pointing a gun from a driver's seat, or; 2. Were men who had slick hands because they were working when they were attacked, or; 3 were being beaten about the head and shoulders with a club because they were ambushed. As a result, there was a reason that a Glock might have failed in every circumstance because these people did not play the game and get their gun properly held before the criminals showed up and attacked them. What...are we supposed to say to the criminals "Wait...that's not fair...I got to get a proper grip on my Glock before you ambush me - you have got to give me warning!"

Anyways...I'd like to share with you a video of a Glock failing - a test it failed that other guns passed. When you watch it, i want you to imagine the bad guy beating you sensless while your Glock Fails:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU

Thankfully when people post about "limp wristing" problems, it is inevitably with cheap weak light FMJ target ammo.

Hopefully you aren't using that for self defense.

I have take my EDC Glock to the range, shot cheap weak 115gr target ammo, and held it as loosely as I dared with only one finger around the grip...no problems.

I'm not worried.

If you want to go on a crusade, more power to you. (you're gonna need it)

 

[Nom de Forum]

Sure...why not. There is no one particular Brand or type that I prefer over a Glock - I just want a pistol that works. I want a pistol that doesn't Jam because it doesn't like how it's being held. I mean, if I want something that gets all bitchy about the way it's held, I'll go visit my high-maintenance girlfriend.

And here's some anecdotal evidence, other than myself, I have known of four other people who have used guns for self defense. In all four of those cases, each one of them fumbled for their weapon before getting hold of it and every one had a bad grip because they: 1. were a woman pointing a gun from a driver's seat, or; 2. Were men who had slick hands because they were working when they were attacked, or; 3 were being beaten about the head and shoulders with a club because they were ambushed. As a result, there was a reason that a Glock might have failed in every circumstance because these people did not play the game and get their gun properly held before the criminals showed up and attacked them. What...are we supposed to say to the criminals "Wait...that's not fair...I got to get a proper grip on my Glock before you ambush me - you have got to give me warning!"

Anyways...I'd like to share with you a video of a Glock failing - a test it failed that other guns passed. When you watch it, i want you to imagine the bad guy beating you sensless while your Glock Fails:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsewsolPyBU

Thank you for posting the video that shows a test that has been conducted and the results confirmed countless times by respected experts in the firearms industry.

Anyone want to sell their Glock after seeing that? If you do I will give you a good materials salvage price for it since that is all it is really worth.

 

[Thompsoncustom]

I think the guns we our happy with has a lot to do with what we are comfortable compromising for.

For me like the guy above limp wristing is a fail and not acceptable for my EDC. Now I've never had a problem with limp wristing with me 17 but it is possible to induce were it's not in some of there steel counterparts.

The biggest thing I hate about glock the company and I guess the newer guns is the MIM extractors.
Some people never have any problems, some get the crazy ejection patterns (brass to face) a new glock term, and the really unlucky like me have fails to extract or eject from it.

I think if glock would go back to machined extractors and maybe drop the recoil spring 2lbs if would solve a lot of problems. The upside is its easy to work on these guns so a apex extractor and a new recoil spring is a easy fix but annoying.

Even the most expensive guns aren't perfect and all machines break down.

 

[Woodsman!]

Thanks for the vid. I wasn't aware Glocks were so finicky about how you hold them. I've always heard they would fire, when most other hand gun would fail. I'm guessing limp wristing is a Glocks Achilles heel ?

 

[Warp]

Thanks for the vid. I wasn't aware Glocks were so finicky about how you hold them. I've always heard they would fire, when most other hand gun would fail. I'm guessing limp wristing is a Glocks Achilles heel ?

You weren't aware because it isn't really an issue.

Other than that video, have you ever seen anybody hold a gun anything like that, for any reason?

 

[meanmrmustard]

You weren't aware because it isn't really an issue.

Other than that video, have you ever seen anybody hold a gun anything like that, for any reason?

Agreed.

And I'll add this: Those several other firearms (XD, Springer, and Beretta) that had failures, such as not locking back the slide, or not going into full battery, are any less prone to limp wristing? I just watched a 3 minute video watching a dude shoot handguns in a completely ludicrous manner, let alone how someone would hold a firearms while being attacked.

You just showed me the flaws several other guns had while being limp wristed. Not the same failures as the Glock, but still shortcomings. Still all those are good guns, so I guess I'm confused as to what that supposed "test" was trying to convey.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Thank you for posting the video that shows a test that has been conducted and the results confirmed countless times by respected experts in the firearms industry.

Anyone want to sell their Glock after seeing that? If you do I will give you a good materials salvage price for it since that is all it is really worth.

Sure, I'll sell you my Glocks!

Then, with that money, find me the perfect, flawless handgun. It must be under $600, have a massive parts availability and support, cheap magazines, be utterly reliable, be enthusiast tested and LEO and competition approved, and have endless parts comparability with other handguns of its brand...regardless of caliber.

So, you'd buy me another Glock or two.

 

[ohbythebay]

Bill ..serious ?

Really ? Okay so if you hold a gun in no way anyone would ever shoot it, IT MIGHT (not always) but MIGHT FTF ?

And the anecdotal cases you mentioned were about people obviously unfamiliar with their firearms. You think they would have gripped something else better ? The woman who couldn't get a grip ? A man beaten because he couldn't get a grip ? Slippery hands ? Oh but a S&W or a SIg would have been less slippery ?

Sorry, but just sounds like a lot of Glock bashery and not based on reliability statistics.

 

[ohbythebay]

Catch up on some reliablity reading

http://www.besthandgunguide.com/most-reliable-handgun-glock/

 

[FinnComm]

http://www.besthandgunguide.com/most-reliable-handgun-glock/

Um that site doesn't know what a Walter P22 looks like:

http://www.besthandgunguide.com/best-22lr-pistol-reviews/


and on their "Ultimate Handgun Comparison Guide", they have some odd sounding pistols:

Clock 20, Clock 19, Clock 17.

Can they be trusted?

 

[meanmrmustard]

Um that site doesn't know what a Walter P22 looks like:

http://www.besthandgunguide.com/best-22lr-pistol-reviews/


and on their "Ultimate Handgun Comparison Guide", they have some odd sounding pistols:

Clock 20, Clock 19, Clock 17.

Can they be trusted?

Sher thay kan.

Spellcheck makes folks reliable?

AS for the pic: Maybe they hoped the P22 would be as good as a Buckmark?

 

[Nom de Forum]

Sure, I'll sell you my Glocks!

Then, with that money, find me the perfect, flawless handgun. It must be under $600, have a massive parts availability and support, cheap magazines, be utterly reliable, be enthusiast tested and LEO and competition approved, and have endless parts comparability with other handguns of its brand...regardless of caliber.

So, you'd buy me another Glock or two.

I think you missed the nuance of my post. I was sarcastically attempting to persuade anyone foolish enough to think their Glock was junk after viewing that video to sell it to me for the value of the materials salvaged (steel and plastic) from the pistol. It was a not so serious ploy to add to my collection of Glocks by paying about 1% of their value as a pistol.

 

[Panzerschwein]

I'd rather have company do one thing and do it well, as opposed to say Kel-Tec, an "innovator" who seems to have trouble getting products past the "vaporware" stage. Sometimes, diversification of one's product lines means overall quality suffers as a result. I have no issue with Glock doing what it knows how to do.

Yes! I agree!

Glock does one thing really, really well. That is semi-automatic striker fired service pistols.

Glock pretty much sells all they make, and frankly there is no reason for them to be "innovative"... why should they be? There are thousands of other gun companies, large and small, making all sorts of things. Glock is one of the biggest, and they make just one thing.

And they make it very, very well.

 

[meanmrmustard]

I think you missed the nuance of my post. I was sarcastically attempting to persuade anyone foolish enough to think their Glock was junk after viewing that video to sell it to me for the value of the materials salvaged (steel and plastic) from the pistol. It was a not so serious ploy to add to my collection of Glocks by paying about 1% of their value as a pistol.

No, I did.

My post was returned sarcasm, in order to agree.

Your sarcasm is better than mine.