Love Glocks, hate the company

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No concept about it. Their plastic sights are not worth two nickels. They really should be ashamed to even place them on a gun.

I actually have really come to like the sights. Could be better as metal, but mine haven't broken off yet and I pick em up faster than my other hiviz or contrast sights. Speaking of, does anyone sell the "dot in a bucket" style in steel?

Sad story today, I took my G21 and my Hi Power (normally my favorite 9mm to shoot) to the range today, figured I'd warm up with 9mm and give the BHP some trigger time. I was... impatient... to get through my mags I had loaded on the BHP to get to the Glock. I'm ashamed, but the Glock is so damn nice to shoot (Gen 4 so it fits my hands, yay innovation for the good!)

Now, it could also be that I just like to shoot .45 over everything else, and if I'd brought one of my 1911's out I'd maybe have been less excited to get to the plastic, I like to hope so anyway.
 
I use to hate Glocks, with an utter passion. Then one day I shot one .....

What caused your strong revulsion? The looks? Online reviews? A friend have a bad experience with one?

I'm just interested to know what triggered such strong hatred for a gun you'd never fired :confused:
 
I wish many companies would take a page from Glock.

Produce one outstanding product extremely well, and don't make frivolous changes every two years to keep consumers guessing, buying, and in the repair shop.

Cars, blenders, refrigerators, TVs, etc.

Car companies design the latest and greatest, work out all the faults in about 5 years worth of models, and just as it is perfected, they switch it out entirely and start the process anew. GRRRRRRR

Glocks do what machines should be designed to do. Work well, be simple, and use mostly interchangeable parts and designs.

Other companies, for instance, rely on 100 slightly different magazine designs, and other small parts ad nasuem...

Looking at massive piles of homeless gun magazines at gun shows, searching for some un-labeled odd gun magazine, it's quite frustrating...
 
I just bought my first 9mm Glock on Wednesday, a G19 Gen 3, the cream of the crop from what I understand. I couldn't disagree, as its just like my ole 32.

What id like to see, regardless of how silly it sounds, is a Glock chambered in 10mm that is the same size as the 19/23/32. Wishful thinking.
 
Glock is to the firearm industry as a VW Beetle was to economy cars. Simple design that changed very little during it's production.

The Glock like the Beetle did a lot of things good but nothing great. The design of the Glock is dated and like the Beetle does not lend itself to change. There are many newer designs that are better but the Glock like the Beetle simple design is for the common gun owner.
 
But as I apparently didn't allude to clearly enough when I first made the analogy, Volkswagen actually made other stuff besides the Beatle during its duration. I don't think the Beatle was even the big moneymaker after even ten years of its introduction (they were back up into heavy vehicles and other passenger cars by that time post-war). More importantly, when they decided to get in on the station wagon racket, they didn't just scale a Beatle up 1.5:1 and shove it out on the market ;). They also didn't use the funky (but cool) Beatle engine in varying capacities on their whole fleet for decades.

TCB
 
The design of the Glock is dated and like the Beetle does not lend itself to change

Not trying to start an argument or anything but what do you consider outdated about the design? I can't think of anything that any other gun design has that is objectively better.

Sure you can say ergonomics, trigger, and sights; but all of those are subjective to the shooter.
 
I admired Glocks for years, but didn't like them as the different grip angle made it point "wrong" for me. After I sold my 1911 and tried a Glock again a few years down the road, it was no longer "wrong" and the longer slides of the 34/17L made it far easier for me to see the front sight. 9mm Glocks are now the only semi-auto pistol's I own (other than a Ruger Charger, which is a whole different concept) and I find them more satisfactory than anything else I've tried. The fact that they have the best trigger I've tried of the common striker fired guns, are about as weather proof as a rock, reliable as the sun rising and able to be maintained and fixed without a gun smith is just icing on the cake.

Their brand of Perfection is A-OK IMHO...
 
Lots of Glock shooters out there. I've never owned one and don't think the world will end. I've only been shooting a few years and my first two guns were XD's. Then one day i shot a 1911 and loved it, and not just 1911's but metal guns in general. I like guns with hammers, locked and cocked is my favorite type gun. I am much more accurate with this type gun. So you Glock guys can love them like there is no tomorrow. To many of us it doesn't matter.
 
Let's get a few things straight about what Glock has done, and what they could do.

To import the 26, they ship them with click adjustable sights that are removed in the states. Without, they fall 5 points short. So the key there is, if they want to import, they ship it in compliance and adjust the gun after it arrives to meet their marketing spec desires.

Now, we look at the 25 and 28. Those guns also fall short on the import scale. A simple sight swap isn't enough to bump over the edge. But....its not how the gun is sold, rather how it's imported that counts on the points. As that form points out, weight with an empty mag goes towards your score. A mag base plate weighing an additional 10-20oz would get you past any point deficit you reach. Once in the US, swap to regular base plates and non click adjustable sights, ship those parts back, reinstall, and send them again.

Now that's weight that needs shipped which isn't free, and it needs shipped back as well (assuming that's cheaper than scrapping). But it would get you past the import laws no different than a Glock 26 coming into the states with a click adjustable rear sight that never makes it to market.

Point is, Glock didn't want to import the 25/28 for their own reasons, as clearly they find ways around the points system as evidence by their 26 not meeting the 75 point criteria as it is sold on the shelf today. My guess is that the 25/28 is a mediocre pistol. They aren't smaller than a standard 19/26. They aren't lighter than a 19/26. They don't hold more ammo. They aren't more powerful. The straight blowback is more snappy and unpleasant to shoot than the more powerful 9mm in a similar sized gun. So there's no real market. Those guns (the 25/28) are made to fit markets where other options aren't allowed but many gun buyers want a pistol. Here, there simply isn't a demand for a 19/26 sized blowback .380.

I'm guessing Glock found it cheaper to open up shop here to get into the pocket carry .380 market than to add weight to ship the gun over the ocean. Maybe a few machines came up in good shape and gave the timing a go. Maybe they simply thought the .380 craze had proven to be more than a simple fad. Who knows. What we do know is they found there to be enough market to proceed with such a gun. I doubt, and I mean seriously doubt there are large government contracts begging for single stack .380s. Even if there were, Glocks model has been to nearly give away the issue guns to then use their LEO popularity as a selling point. I have major doubts that Glock turns much profit off pistols of any type going to those departments, at least in the US. Here, the civilian market is their bread winner.

I can see why Glock wouldn't make a single stack 9mm at this point. When they introduced the 17, it was a radical shift. They created a new market. Time has come and gone and now it's flooded with options, but their reputation has secured them a solid foothold. Today, all that differentiates a top seller from a second or third place product is reputation. The .380 market, from a volume standpoint, has basically been Ruger and Keltec...followed by many small scale runs of different guns. The two big market share pistols both have horrific triggers, that while ok for self defense, are very tough for new shooters. New shooters like the idea of the micro guns for ease of carry first, ignoring shootability. Toss in Glocks reputation and a market still looking for a standout that is both enjoyable to carry and shoot, and it sounds like there is money to be made.

Now look at the single stack 9mm market. You have the Shield, XDS, Nano, bunches of Kahrs, Solo9, PF9, all the compact 1911's, p938 and p290, PPS, LC9, etc it's just a market that's already saturated with all levels of options. Glock has never been one to get into a saturated market.

I'd enjoy a single stack 9mm Glock but I'm not counting on it. They seem set on only breaking into undeveloped or under developed markets, and the single stack small 9mm isn't one of them. Their options cover a wide range of shooting needs. Colt still makes a 1911 and an AR yet we don't give them crap for not reinventing the wheel. We simply thank them for continuing to make quality products as first priority. No reason to look at Glock differently. As long as their options remain reliable and durable, I see them not changing modes drastically for the bulk of their lines.
 
I wish many companies would take a page from Glock.

Produce one outstanding product extremely well, and don't make frivolous changes every two years to keep consumers guessing, buying, and in the repair shop.

Cars, blenders, refrigerators, TVs, etc.

Car companies design the latest and greatest, work out all the faults in about 5 years worth of models, and just as it is perfected, they switch it out entirely and start the process anew. GRRRRRRR

Glocks do what machines should be designed to do. Work well, be simple, and use mostly interchangeable parts and designs.

Other companies, for instance, rely on 100 slightly different magazine designs, and other small parts ad nasuem...

Looking at massive piles of homeless gun magazines at gun shows, searching for some un-labeled odd gun magazine, it's quite frustrating...
Agreed. And to those who think they lack innovation, Odd how everybody else jumped on the polymer lower, even those like Smith who got sued silly by glock and pays a royalty to Glock. Shoot, even Sig has gone with Polymer now as well on many models.

I own other pistols, (Smith and Wesson) but the Glock is the ONLY gun I have ever owned that has never malfunctioned once, even when brand new...not once. (G17) My Smith and Wesson Shield jammed several times, fail to extract, next bullet jammed into it requiring the mag to be removed to clear it. I will say that after it had several hundred rounds through it, I havent had a hickup since.

Oh well, this issue goes on, everyone finds what they like and dont like, not necessarily a right or wrong choice. I like Glocks because mine work every time. Well, mine do anyway. The G17 is a Gen 3. I have not owned any Gen 4 Glocks at this point. I know several Police Officers here that carry the Glock 23 Gen 4 and trust them, I cant say personally.

Russellc
 
As to the "import" changes and all that, my Glock was made right here in the USA in Smyrna, GA....the clips are from Austria however.

Russellc
 
Funny how so many people who will concede the above average reliability of Glocks will use complaints about ugliness, terrible triggers, a bad grip, and other poor ergonomic features to claim it is not worth owning or is second rate to other designs, but will applaud the above average in reliability AK rifles as among the World's greatest designs even though it is ugly, has terrible triggers, a bad grip, and other poor ergonomic features. Gaston must laugh at the absurdity of the situation every time he counts his money. The only thing wrong with Glock's business model is that its success infuriates all their less successful competitors.
 
As to the "import" changes and all that, my Glock was made right here in the USA in Smyrna, GA....the magazines are from Austria however.

Russellc

It didn't use to be that way, and Glock does not seem to have changed anything when they moved some production.


Funny how so many people who will concede the above average reliability of Glocks will use complaints about ugliness, terrible triggers, a bad grip, and other poor ergonomic features to claim it is not worth owning or is second rate to other designs, but will applaud the above average in reliability AK rifles as among the World's greatest designs even though it is ugly, has terrible triggers, a bad grip, and other poor ergonomic features. Gaston must laugh at the absurdity of the situation every time he counts his money. The only thing wrong with Glock's business model is that its success infuriates all their less successful competitors.

And there's nothing at all wrong with the trigger anyway.

I dare anybody who wants to call a Glock trigger "terrible" to pick up a new S&W M&P. lol If you want a short light single action trigger for bullseye shooting, get a 1911.

Interesting comparing to an AK. With them you have to deal with 922r, limited ammo selection (I hope you like cheap dirty not very accurate steel case Russian ammo), worse ergonomics (not just by preference, it's slower as more movements are required), much greater difficulty to build/assemble/work on...lots of objective downsides to an AK vs an AR.

Grip angle could be a legitimate dislike. If the grip angle doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you. Nothing is for everybody, Glock included.

It just gets silly when people go so far out of there way to come up with supposed complaints to justify it. If you don't like it...you don't like it. If it doesn't work for you...so be it. Pick something else. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Glock single handedly changed the shooting world when it came out with the 17. Shortly after they made compacts, then sub-compacts, long-slide tactical guns, etc. and you don't think they're innovative? Everybody and their brother now makes striker fired ploy guns.
I guess if it ain't broke.....
 
Reliability of Glocks are over played these days.

Unfortunately the are not enough LEO range officers to share stories about problems they have seen with Glocks. I will forego some of what I have seen to avoid being a liar or Glock hater.

There is nothing to suggest that poly framed guns made by Ruger, Springfield Army and S&W are less reliable than Glocks. Ruger, for example, has a much longer reputation than Glock for building rugged, reliable handguns.
 
Reliability of Glocks are over played these days.

It was not when shortly after the G17 arrived on these shores. It was more revelation than anything else that you could have such great confidence your new unfired pistol would have lifesaving reliability before you fired a single shot through it.

Unfortunately the are not enough LEO range officers to share stories about problems they have seen with Glocks. I will forego some of what I have seen to avoid being a liar or Glock hater.

Stories that are numerous primarily because Glocks are the most numerous pistols they encounter.

There is nothing to suggest that poly framed guns made by Ruger, Springfield Army and S&W are less reliable than Glocks. Ruger, for example, has a much longer reputation than Glock for building rugged, reliable handguns.

I'll bet you a dollar to a donut that somewhere online you find someone with evidence to dispute that statement. I however will agree with you that other makers have reliable pistols but not as well earned a reputation for them.
 
I dare anybody who wants to call a Glock trigger "terrible" to pick up a new S&W M&P.

That's like asking which tastes better; road apples or cow pies?

I will concede I like my 17 with a Vanek trigger, far more than I did the M&P with Apex FS/S that I owned. Course stock NIB both were pretty poor..
 
I don't get it. Glock sponsors a lot of shooting competitions. They make every single part (and magazines) for their guns readily available to end users (not just certified armorers) at minimal markup. (Darn you, Savage, just sell me a stupid trigger spring). They supply our police departments (and private LE and military purchases) at a low price. Their products work very well, are cost-competitive, and are extremely user-friendly for service and repair, and on top of that they provide a great warranty. They maintain a factory in the US that employs US workers. I don't get why anyone would hate their company, except maybe the owners/dealers of XD's, M&P's, and H&K's, or people that find the use of the word "perfection" in a marketing campaign to be extremely objectionable. :)

As for diversity, I don't see XD or M&P making the equivalent of the Glock variations... I mean you got the 26/19/17/35/17L, all currently produced and supported with parts and service. You can say, big deal, it's just a completely different slide and mandrel-forged barrel. But who else does that? If you have an AMT Hardballer, good luck finding parts and service. :)
 
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I don't get it. Glock sponsors a lot of shooting competitions. They make every single part (and magazines) for their guns readily available to end users (not just certified armorers) at minimal markup. (Darn you, Savage, just sell me a stupid trigger spring). They supply our police departments (and private LE and military purchases) at a low price. Their products work very well, are cost-competitive, and are extremely user-friendly for service and repair, and on top of that they provide a great warranty. They maintain a factory in the US that employs US workers. I don't get why anyone would hate their company, except maybe the owners/dealers of XD's, M&P's, and H&K's, or people that find the use of the word "perfection" in a marketing campaign to be extremely objectionable. :)

I really, really hate the word "haters", and I don't use it, but, well...sometimes I think it might actually be apt.

Frankly I think people who reasonably choose something else, for whatever reason, get tired of seeing people with Glocks everywhere doing everything. Because Glocks are EVERYWHERE, in the hands of EVERYBODY, being used to do EVERYTHING.
 
It's mostly a contrarian thing. I dislike Glocks because they aren't interesting to me, and they aren't interesting because everyone has one and they're all the same. Kinda like trying to be a Carolla enthusiast; while they may be fine cars, they're nothing to get excited about, and thus, not a draw for an enthusiast (I need enthusiasm :D). When an entire company is like that, I try to ignore the company in pursuit of more interesting fare, and then everyone else is constantly in my face about how awesome this boring company is. It's maddening! :p

TCB
 
We've got a couple glocks, 17 and 21, both self defense guns that have earned their place. Reliable, eat anything they're fed, reasonably accurate. That a keltec sub2k shares mags with the 17 is a bonus. Good pistols.
 
I don't want my defensive firearms to be interesting.

I just want them to work.

That's it.
 
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