Love Glocks, hate the company

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Glock is a one trick pony. They have very little variation among their products to appeal to a wide range of shooters. I will probably never own one for personal use, as I would have to put almost the value of the firearm in upgraded components. I respect them as a company and as a product. Just not for me.
 
It is just a company and not worth thinking about, much less "hate".
 
I would have to put almost the value of the firearm in upgraded components.

Glock parts are the cheapest and most plentiful on the market. You can change the weight of the trigger pull for a few dollars. Night sights are cheap.
 
jdmb03 said:
Glock parts are the cheapest and most plentiful on the market. You can change the weight of the trigger pull for a few dollars. Night sights are cheap.

I get a catalog from a Glock store every few months. When it comes in I add up the price of parts I would replace in a Glock if I had one. The last catalog price upgrade was $350 to replace sights, triggers, recoil springs, all the control levers etc. Local store offers all compact Glock models for $450 with applied discounts. So for $800 I can have "Perfection" that is mostly third market parts.
 
I get a catalog from a Glock store every few months. When it comes in I add up the price of parts I would replace in a Glock if I had one. The last catalog price upgrade was $350 to replace sights, triggers, recoil springs, all the control levers etc. Local store offers all compact Glock models for $450 with applied discounts. So for $800 I can have "Perfection" that is mostly third market parts.

You don't need $350 worth of aftermarket parts on a Glock. That money would be better spent on ammo/training
 
I just picked up a used, blemished CM9 a little over a week ago. According to this thread, that's 3 strikes against it right out the door!

The little gun runs like a champ. First range trip it gobbled up 200 rounds no problem (Blazer Brass 115s, Federal 147 FPs, Winchester PDX1 124s) and I was surprised that it had such very little recoil. Took it out last weekend for run #2 and it ate up another 150 rounds with no issues.

I like it enough that I gave it brushed flats on the side panels of the slide and installed the screw-mount Trijicon front sight on it. This little gun will ride in a DeSantis Superfly when I need something inbetween my usual Glock 26 or the baby Seecamp. The trigger takes some getting used to, but I've been shooting a lot of revolvers this past year so it works out okay.

I don't expect that I can beat up on it as much as my Glocks or HKs..."It is what it is."
 
herrwalther said:
I get a catalog from a Glock store every few months. When it comes in I add up the price of parts I would replace in a Glock if I had one. The last catalog price upgrade was $350 to replace sights, triggers, recoil springs, all the control levers etc. Local store offers all compact Glock models for $450 with applied discounts. So for $800 I can have "Perfection" that is mostly third market parts.

What other gun can you get for $800 that gives you "perfection"?
 
I also agree with the post above.I like glocks but dont love them.Glock is nothing more or less then a tool.A very reliable tool but still a tool.
 
45_auto said:
What other gun can you get for $800 that gives you "perfection"?

$800 would be a much better investment toward a 1911 or HK I liked rather than something I had to modify heavily. I used "perfection" sarcastically, not as the tried and true tagline Glock likes to claim it is.
 
I don't like Glocks and I don't own one, but I'll chime in on this anyway.

I don't like Glocks because I think they're uglier than sin. Pure and simple.

However, this should not be construed to mean I think Glock makes junk. It's hard to argue with more than 25 years of solid business with the United States (32 total) and over a million guns sold in the United States alone. In a very tough, competitive market, Glock has managed to corner 65% of the American police departments as customers, not to mention a sizable chunk of private owners.

And by all accounts, Glock's reliability is top-notch...legendary, even, if you listen to all the anecdotal ravings of the verbose Glock owners.


How much more "innovation" does Glock need? Seems to me that they do a good job at developing and marketing some rether impressive products AND supporting those same products by improving them and taking care of their customers through recalls. Recalls that, from what I can find, are few and far between.

You complain that Glock hasn't put out an OEM carbine, .223, or a single stack 9mm while in the same breath also complaining about their .45 G.A.P. and .380.

You seem to want innovation...but NOT the innovations that Glock HAS come up with. See, that's the problem with "innovations"...not everybody wants them. Successful innovations aren't just innovations that work...they're innovations that people want badly enough to actually buy them in quantities that make them successful for the business that produces them.

The Glock 42, their .380 gun, is successful as indicated by a market which is making it profitable for Glock. This argues strongly against your statement that this is "a .380 no one asked for". Which means it's really a Glock that YOU didn't ask for.

Had Glock introduced their .380 ten or more years ago, it may very well have flopped.


The problem with introducing a new gun in the market is that it's in direct competition with a lot of other guns in the same caliber and category. It's a chancy thing doing this for any number of reasons. For Glock to enter an already robust market with a carbine or a .223 design means they have to invest capital, engineering, and manufacturing resources to develop and manufacture something which may or may not sell enough to be worth the effort.

An example of this would be the .45 G.A.P., which was their attempt at making a .45 caliber handgun that could match the .45 ACP, but in a smaller package. They succeeded...but have essentially only occupied a very tiny niche in the gun market. The .45 G.A.P. is essentially a novelty gun, in my opinion, which isn't supported by any other manufacturers of either guns or ammunition now.


I rather suspect that Glock WILL come up with further innovations...but they'll do it on their own time and dime, when they think the market will support what they come up with.

Perhaps one of those innovations will even be a gun that isn't uglier than sin and I'll be standing in line to buy it.

;)
 
You don't need $350 worth of aftermarket parts on a Glock. That money would be better spent on ammo/training

Exactly. Unless you are building a competition gun or replacing the slide with one of the new swiss cheese slides basic Glock parts are cheap.
 
Why should they change , when they are very successful at what they are doing? The little 380 is flying out the door as fast as they can make them.
 
The little 380 is flying out the door as fast as they can make them.

Actually much faster than they can make them as my local LGS has orders f0r 20 additional pistols on top of the 20+ of 40 that have yet to arrive.

I also wonder about the concept that we need to dump a few hundred $ into a Glock to bring it up to snuff. I shot a G19 after hating Gocks for every reason I could imagine except having shot one and it changed the way I see modern guns.

I own a stock G26 and stock G42 and they need nothing in my opinion....not perfection by any means by better than my Beretta Px4 SC which needed sights and mag extensions. My G26 is CCL ready right out of the box and accurate and reliable to boot. No innovation needed.

VooDoo
 
I also wonder about the concept that we need to dump a few hundred $ into a Glock to bring it up to snuff.

No concept about it. Their plastic sights are not worth two nickels. They really should be ashamed to even place them on a gun.
 
You don't need to be innovative when you own the market. I can't remember the last time I saw a LEO carrying something that wasn't a Glock.
 
"Kind of curious as to how many people have actually sent Glock an email or given them a call saying something along the lines of "Just wanted to contact you guys and let you know what I'd be interested in seeing you produce". My money is that it's a very small number."
I'm sure they get more than a few "single stack 9mm" and "Glock Karbine" emails :rolleyes:

"look what happened to the Shield and the XDS; recalls. I would prefer Glock take their time and get it right rather then rush a gun to the market just because everyone else is doing it."
Glock doesn't have recalls or issues out of the gate? Then why all the brass to face threads :neener:. Also, not that I follow it or anything, but hasn't the G42 had a couple specific issues already that will need addressing?

"Glock is a one trick pony"
This. And to be fair, it is a pretty good trick. But let's imagine if Volkswagen did nothing but produce tweaked Beatle models for 30 years straight; this is where Glock is in danger of heading. While it is profitable, it's great, since you get all the monies and have no need for pesky or risky R&D 'inefficiencies'. But when the market moves on --and it will-- and the fashion is suddenly for, I don't know, non-blocky gun designs for a change (it could happen :eek:), Glock will find itself unable to quickly adapt to the situation. I think that they were as late to the pocket 380 market as they were is evidence of this; a savvy business would have seen the writing on the wall and gotten production on this side of the pond much sooner (when the market was hot)

As a gun nerd, I hate Glock, since their 'conservative' business strategy is really just a lack of emphasis on R&D and design progression, and more a focus on marketing. As a gun nerd, it irritates me when they release "Variation of a SIG/Hi Power Volume 42" and call it a new development. I see it as Nike introducing a new shoe size (or shoe :p) as the technical achievement of the year :D.

The "Perfection" stuff I give them a pass on. Between Glock and H&K, I think it's just some Germanic straight-faced machismo thing played for laughs as much as anything (cue the Epic Split ;))

TCB
 
I couldn't care less what glock does. I have NO interest in them, or the company.
I own ONE glock, that I escaped my old employer with. It's the only glock I will ever own.
 
"Glock is a one trick pony"
This. And to be fair, it is a pretty good trick. But let's imagine if Volkswagen did nothing but produce tweaked Beatle models for 30 years straight; this is where Glock is in danger of heading. While it is profitable, it's great, since you get all the monies and have no need for pesky or risky R&D 'inefficiencies'. But when the market moves on --and it will-- and the fashion is suddenly for, I don't know, non-blocky gun designs for a change (it could happen :eek:), Glock will find itself unable to quickly adapt to the situation. I think that they were as late to the pocket 380 market as they were is evidence of this; a savvy business would have seen the writing on the wall and gotten production on this side of the pond much sooner (when the market was hot)

Let's imagine that Volkswagon did nothing but produce tweaked Beatle models for 35 years, from 1938 to 1974, at which point they required government funding to design and build its replacement (the Golf) in order to avoid financial collapse.

The Beetle, in all its variations, was actually in production an additional 29 years beyond 1974, for a total of 65 years covering 1938 to 2003.

But I digress.

;)

But you do have a lot of good points about Glock and their conservative business strategy.
 
Glock is not keeping up with the demand on their current products. Why divert resources to something unknown and probably less profitable? That would be like Ford changing over a couple of F-150 lines to produce light aircraft - they could do it, but it's probably better not to.

I thought this excellent post deserved another push on the merry-go-round.;)
 
barnbwt said:
The "Perfection" stuff I give them a pass on. Between Glock and H&K, I think it's just some Germanic straight-faced machismo thing played for laughs as much as anything (cue the Epic Split )

Hey, when was the last time you saw a Walther ad that tried the Germanic Machismo? :neener:

Another thing I should point out is how branded Glock is. I have an XD, which looks like a Glock to a casual observer. I have had more than one person refer to my XD as a Glock, where I therby corrected them so they wouldn't insult my firearm further. Glock is quickly becoming the firearm's "Band-Aid" or "Q-tip."

The Glock fanatics are the worst of the firearm world. I have dealt with fanboys for every brand, but the Glock ones are the worse. I was the only non Glock fanboy in a group of 6 at work the other day. "Oh they have the best sights and the best trigger and last forever." All direct words. Thankfully I was carrying my P99AS and that quieted the "best trigger" claims.
 
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