Older posts - same issue - same confusion!
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=580564
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=769955&highlight=high+Brass
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=580564
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=769955&highlight=high+Brass
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