M1 Carbine (U.S Carbine Cal. .30 M1)

[rbernie]

Is it normal for the rear sight to need to be run as far over to the right as it is?

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

1. If you take a close look at pictures 7 and 8 you can see tiny cylindrical component. What is it for?

Sling swivel loop.
You are fortunate in that the Type III swivel/band/bayonet lug is the most common and therefore, the least expensive but sometimes you can find the loops alone at gunshows and carefully re-attach.

2. Although the stock is in mint condition, it seems that it was modified from its original design. Why is that?

A LOT of folk hunted with these when they were $19.95 and up and a tuna can/case of ammo was the same cost. VERY good white tail guns. Then, because everyone had one, it was quite common to modify the stocks hanging around deer camps or in the off season. Folk sold paper templates for checkering and inletting carbines and other surplus guns back then.
The stock, if as well done as it seems has some value. I particularly prize vintage NRA-inspired sporterization features as do others.

3. What's the average price for a Carbine Cal. 30 M1 in MINT condition such as this one?

Yours would be valued down from a *as-issued* Inland with reductions for the stock, sling swivel and anything else required to turn in back to *as-issued* Though I can't see the full serial number, if one assumes it was NOT re-barrellled in '44, that Inland as a TypeIII gun is one of the most common, if not THE most common Carbine available. Less value than almost all the others but the up side is that the correct parts to return it to stock are less cost as well.

Todd.

 

[Tommygunn]

Is it normal for the rear sight to need to be run as far over to the right as it is?

I don't think so, but I think it happens. My father brought home an Inland carbine from the Korean War. It had the early "L" flip rear sight, and I recall him saying it hit to the left of point-of-aim. When I obtained the weapon, I noticed the rear sight was moved all the way to the left. I had a gunsmith adjust it (I had no correct tools at the time) and viola'! it shot to poi!
Why did my father not correct it, or have it fixed? you might ask.
Dunno. When he hunted it was with his .22 rifle or 12 gauge....maybe the answer was in that....

 

[Poper]

Well, I sold my bone stock, 1943 Inland WWII survivor carbine about 3 years ago. It looked like it had been through two wars. Heavily used, carried and abused as you would expect. It sold on GunBroker for about $1200 IIRC. Maybe a tich more. The fellow that bought it was looking for an unrestored war veteran because his father had carried one in the Pacific during WWII.

They are an interesting and fun little gun.

 

[hps1]

Is it normal for the rear sight to need to be run as far over to the right as it is?

Not normal but I have an original GI Inland that required a bit of JB weld to increasing height of front sight a bit to get it to zero @ 100 yds.

2. Although the stock is in mint condition, it seems that it was modified from its original design. Why is that?

I suspect that was not done by the aftermarket company Inland (LLC), but rather by an individual owner to his/her taste as there is no mention of other than the standard GI type "fixed" or "paratrooper" folding stocks in the American Rifleman article. Also, OP's picture shows that the sling/oiler slot has been filled in an original issue type fixed stock.

In 2013, a brand-new, privately owned gun manufacturing company was organized under the name of Inland Mfg., LLC. Although this company has no formal ties to General Motors, it established its headquarters just a few miles away from where the original Inland Division once stood.

Inland Manufacturing's plan is to launch a line of American-made firearms composed of 100 percent U.S.- made parts. It should come as no surprise, considering the company's name and location, that the first two rifle models off the production line are replicas of the M1 Carbine, including what the company calls a 1945 version of the fixed-stock M1 Carbine and the folding-stock M1A1 Paratrooper model

https://www.americanrifleman.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/SN-Low-Res.jpg

ApacheCoTodd [/SIZE]]Yours would be valued down from a *as-issued* Inland with reductions for the stock, sling swivel and anything else required to turn in back to *as-issued* Though I can't see the full serial number, if one assumes it was NOT re-barrellled in '44,

Since VJ Day was 15 Aug 45, I suspect there was a ton of replacement barrels in the gov't pipeline which quickly became surplus. This might explain the multitude of 44 barrels around. I have an original GI Inland w/Inland 9-44 barrel, markings identical to OP other than the month, so his barrel is original GI.

The Inland M1 Carbine is manufactured using new steel components and stocks that meet GI specifications. This means the parts are interchangeable with WWII-era carbines. However, a few of the non-essential accessories, such as the oiler, are military surplus items.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2014/12/16/inland-manufacturings-1945-m1-carbine/

Inland Manufacturing M1 1945 Carbine



The M1 1945 carbines feature many of the same characteristics of the original Inland Carbines and are manufactured in the USA! Click here for information about M1 1944 model.

The M1 carbine is modeled after the last production model that Inland manufactured in 1945 and features a type 3 bayonet lug / barrel band, adjustable rear sights, push button safety, round bolt, “low wood” walnut stock, and a 15–round magazine. A 30 rd mag catch was used to allow high–capacity magazines.

Caliber: .30 carbine

Magazine capacity: 15

Barrel length: 18”

Total length: 35.75”

Barrel groove: 4

Twist rate: 1 x 20”

Weight: 5lb 3oz

MSRP: $1139.00 Click to “BUY NOW” at the INLAND DEPOT

Click to download our product brochure




In 1941, with the US being pulled into one of the greatest conflicts in world history, a division of General Motors was tasked to support the war effort.

The result was firearm history with Inland Manufacturing becoming one of the largest gun manufacturers in the US, producing nearly 3 million firearms in less than 5 years.

The most notable of Inland’s firearm production was the .30 Caliber M1 carbine and the folding stock variant, the M1A1 Paratrooper model.

Dayton, Ohio was home for the original Inland company, and is now the home of the new Inland Manufacturing located just two miles from the original facility. Today’s Inland Manufacturing is now producing a new line of .30 caliber M1 carbines and 1911 style pistols.


https://www.inland-mfg.com/Inland-Carbines/M1-1945.html

nland Manufacturing M1 1944 Carbine

The M1 1944 carbines feature many of the same characteristics of the original Inland Carbines and are manufactured in the USA!

The 1944 M1 carbine has the same features as the 1945 M1 carbine but with a Type 2 barrel band and 10–round magazine. This model is made available for sale in most states with magazine and bayonet lug restrictions.

Like the 1945 model, the 1944 features adjustable rear sights, push button safety, round bolt, and “low wood” walnut stock.

Caliber: .30 carbine

Magazine capacity: 10

Barrel length: 18”

Total length: 35.75”

Barrel groove: 4

Twist rate: 1 x 20”

Weight: 5lb 3oz

MSRP: $1139.00 Click to “BUY NOW” at the INLAND DEPOT

Click to download our product brochure




In 1941, with the US being pulled into one of the greatest conflicts in world history, a division of General Motors was tasked to support the war effort.

The result was firearm history with Inland Manufacturing becoming one of the largest gun manufacturers in the US, producing nearly 3 million firearms in less than 5 years.

The most notable of Inland’s firearm production was the .30 Caliber M1 carbine and the folding stock variant, the M1A1 Paratrooper model.

Dayton, Ohio was home for the original Inland company, and is now the home of the new Inland Manufacturing located just two miles from the original facility. Today’s Inland Manufacturing is now producing a new line of .30 caliber M1 carbines and 1911 style pistols.
https://www.inland-mfg.com/Inland-Carbines/M1-1944.html

Regards,
hps

 

[rbernie]

Since VJ Day was 15 Aug 44,

I think you meant 1945, but point taken nevertheless.

 

[hps1]

I think you meant 1945, but point taken nevertheless.

Typewriter,typewriter......Typerighter! Yep, thanks....fixed it.

Regards,
hps

 

[AK103K]

Is it normal for the rear sight to need to be run as far over to the right as it is?

Ive owned 5 Carbines with the upgraded rear sight, and every one of them had the rear sight knocked out of its original staking for some reason. Im suspecting that people didnt like the outer edges of the sight not centered and moved them.

All of my guns, when I returned them to where they were originally staked, and restaked them, had the right edge of the outer portion of the sight, in line with the right edge of the receiver.

The one in the pic above doesnt look to far off, but it does look to still be slightly right. Can you see if the original staking is still intact? There will either be a "round" punch mark on the dovetail seam, front and back, or there with be misaligned "half moons" where they were separated.

Now, on my rifles, with the sight returned to where it originally was, the rear sight itself, is now on the left side of the base when zeroed, and thats on all guns. Just the opposite of what you see above.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Its not unknown for carbines to have bent barrels as well- can sometimes be seen with a bore light. Something to look out for, anyways.

 

[CapnMac]

I always find it fascinating when people want to claim that their US WWII milsurp is "all matching numbers."

One of the under-sung "victories" of the US in WWII was the fact that we produced so many weapons, held to such uniform standards of parts manufacture, that those parts did not need to be serialized to a specific assembled arm. That US military services could have cleaning parties where an entire Platoon or Company's arms could be taken down to bits and cleaned in tubs, and put back together by random selection of parts, and still have serviceable firearms.

The great "failure" of the Reising and Johnson arms was that they did not meet that standard; they needed serialized parts (and did not have them).

This was not true, per se, for the militaries of the rest of the world, the UK Commonwealth nations being a notable exception.

And, of course, 75 years later, we expect all AR parts to be perfectly interchangable.

 

[Tommygunn]

I always find it fascinating when people want to claim that their US WWII milsurp is "all matching numbers."

One of the under-sung "victories" of the US in WWII was the fact that we produced so many weapons, held to such uniform standards of parts manufacture, that those parts did not need to be serialized to a specific assembled arm. That US military services could have cleaning parties where an entire Platoon or Company's arms could be taken down to bits and cleaned in tubs, and put back together by random selection of parts, and still have serviceable firearms.

The great "failure" of the Reising and Johnson arms was that they did not meet that standard; they needed serialized parts (and did not have them).

This was not true, per se, for the militaries of the rest of the world, the UK Commonwealth nations being a notable exception.

And, of course, 75 years later, we expect all AR parts to be perfectly interchangable.

Well, yea .... a number of collectors get tingles when they find that one carbine that is exactly as it was the day it left the factory in 1943 even though its parts will exchange with parts from 1942, 1944 and 1945 carbines.

I have a carbine my father brought back from Korea in 1952 that has the original flip sights, flat-top bolt, type 2 barrel band, original type push-button safety ..... but are they the same parts it had when it left Inland ? Who knows?

 

[eastbank]

arsenal rebuilt Winchester m-1 carbine, ex shooter.

 

[carbine85]

I always find it fascinating when people want to claim that their US WWII milsurp is "all matching numbers."

One of the under-sung "victories" of the US in WWII was the fact that we produced so many weapons, held to such uniform standards of parts manufacture, that those parts did not need to be serialized to a specific assembled arm. That US military services could have cleaning parties where an entire Platoon or Company's arms could be taken down to bits and cleaned in tubs, and put back together by random selection of parts, and still have serviceable firearms.

The great "failure" of the Reising and Johnson arms was that they did not meet that standard; they needed serialized parts (and did not have them).

This was not true, per se, for the militaries of the rest of the world, the UK Commonwealth nations being a notable exception.

And, of course, 75 years later, we expect all AR parts to be perfectly interchangable.

Agreed. Most US weapons used Manufacturer codes or part numbers.