Made in USA?

[dak0ta]

Hi,

I was reading over in another forum that the "Made in USA" stamp on guns made by Remington and Mossberg may not be entirely true. They were saying that although the parts may be assembled in the US, some of the parts may have been made in other parts of the world. Like the steel used and component parts were made in China and shipped over and then assembled in the States so that they could be marketed as "Made in the USA".

Anybody have any insight into this?

 

[ArmedBear]

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[dak0ta]

I don't live in the US, so maybe you can tell me more then...

 

[ArmedBear]

Ah.

Your screen name sounds US-y.

The US has pretty much shut down the steel industry for various reasons.

 

[dak0ta]

Oh, well I like the sounds of the state so that's why I chose it

I'm north of the 49th parallel. We don't have any steel going either.

So basically all the 870's and M500's are using Chinese steel and parts that are manufactured in the US? If so, what makes them so much better in terms of strength and reliability than the Norinco copies or Turkish ones? Is it the craftsmanship of American workers assembling the guns? Or the design?

 

[oneounceload]

Most of the steel mills here that are still operating are not US-owned, but Indian-owned. Most seem to specialize in certain steels used for specific industries, though I suspect there might be one or two still making "regular" steel.

In a global economy, it is hard to find something totally made in one country. Even a vertically-oriented manufacturer may have items brought in that were made off-shore due to economies of scale.

That does NOT mean however, that if it isn't made here that it is automatically Chinese

 

[ArmedBear]

I'm sorry about my rude first post.

I didn't know you're not in the US. I'm not at all happy that our nation is committing slow suicide, and people seem not to notice, so I can react rudely. Obviously, that wouldn't apply to someone who isn't American; you have your own country to worry about. Again, I'm sorry about posting that.

Even a vertically-oriented manufacturer may have items brought in that were made off-shore due to economies of scale.

...as well as economies of not having to deal with the costs of the US regulatory milieu that make certain once-strong industries impossible to operate here, legally and economically.

 

[oneounceload]

as well as economies of not having to deal with the costs of the US regulatory milieu

....labor unions, taxes, insurance, EPA, benefits, and on and on........

SIGSW - self-inflicted gun shot wound - is what seem to have done to ourselves

 

[Mike J]

The politicians have been selling our country down the river for years. There is a 100 mile strip in Mexico that runs from around Baja California to the Gulf that has had permission to put Made in USA on anything manufacured there for years. I'm not sure of the spelling I think is something like the Maquila Dora strip. I actually think our country losing all it's manufacturing capabilities should be a matter of concern to National Security. I don't think the pol's & the people that put them in office care much though.

 

[shockwave]

The politicians have been selling our country down the river for years.

They aren't twisting any factory owners' arms. The CEOs and Veeps are rewarded handsomely for each American job destroyed. Some companies I know have had contests, and whichever director could reduce their division's payroll by the most got the biggest end-of-year bonus.

NAFTA and such don't help, but here you want to follow the money.

Far as I know, Mossberg says "made in America" I assume their guns mostly are. Wouldn't surprise me to find out some parts are made overseas. The important thing is that we are doing the assembly. That's where the value is.

 

[X-Rap]

The Russians own CFI in Pueblo Co. I don't know if the roll mill in Provo Ut. is still open but yes we have regulated ourselves out of industry with the exception of selling those industries to countries that in different times were considered enemies.
We have built the gun that is pointed at our head and our finger is on the trigger. The Kingdom For a Nail analogy kind of applys here.

 

[oneounceload]

The CEOs and Veeps are rewarded handsomely for each American job destroyed. Some companies I know have had contests, and whichever director could reduce their division's payroll by the most got the biggest end-of-year bonus.

Sounds like a serious case of wealth envy and a lack of how businesses work.


CEOs and VPs are rewarded for making the company profitable and getting a ROI to the owners, also known as stockholders.

Perhaps you can tell us what companies have had these contests and provide verifiable links?

 

[Virginian]

I'd like to pi$$ on all the "shareholders" who are selling America down the river for their own gain. They export jobs for the benefits of cheap labor, period. Yes, the "shareholders" and those with stock options make money, and the country is worse off. This is true of the really big bucks backing both political parties, so no one is going to do a thing to change anything. The politicians make the rules, and the few honest ones don't even understand that by changeing the rules they can change who wins the game.
I get stock options and I left a long established industry and moved 1000 miles to go to work making cellulosic alcohol in a weak attempt to try to actually do something environmentally positive and energy productive. I am sure the technology will get exported to use $2 a day labor in the future, but for now it is still home grown, too.

Alcohol, it's not just for drunks anymore !

Oh yeah, there is actually quite a few tons of good quality steel produced in the US in the new generation mini-mills. And as far as I know, the real Remington and Mossberg guns are still made in the U.S.A.
90 plus percent one of the worlds most necessary alloying elements is mined in South Africa. For years the U.S.A. banned stuff from South Africa. The U.S.A. used 95% of the world's supply of this precious alloy. And every single ounce had a certificate from a metal broker in Switzerland certifying that the material did not come from South Africa. You do the math, is someone.... anyone... really that dumb? To feel good we made a bunch of Swiss brokers rich.

 

[shockwave]

Sounds like a serious case of wealth envy and a lack of how businesses work.

Wrong. But thanks for playing. My wealth is great and my portfolios are singing. Job destruction in this country doesn't affect me personally because I have nothing to do with manufacturing. What I see and hear and read, however, indicates that the penchant for offshoring isn't a "politicians" problem. Since you're too lazy or unable to use Google, start with Guardian Life and then get back to me.

 

[oneounceload]

What I see and hear and read, however, indicates that the penchant for offshoring isn't a "politicians" problem. Since you're too lazy or unable to use Google, start with Guardian Life and then get back to me.

So you have no evidence to back up your internet claim and resort to insults - figures.....

I'd like to pi$$ on all the "shareholders" who are selling America down the river for their own gain

Yep - tell that to all of those teachers and other folks whose pension plans are the stockholders.........

Whatever......

Back to the OP - "Made in the USA" does not mean every single component is; if the majority of parts are, and then assembled here, it meets definition.

 

[MAKster]

For over 20 years Mossberg has been making shotgun parts in Torreon, Mexico and shipping them to Eagle Pass, Texas for final assembly with the U.S. made parts. I believe Remington 870s are made entirely in the U.S. Some people have latched onto the fact that Remington bought NEF which imports the Parder Pump from China and are falsely saying that Remingtons are made in China.

 

[BushyGuy]

Ruger is 100 percent geniune made in the USA i am pretty sure Remington is too .

 

[figment]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+does+made+in+the+USA+mean?

 

[19-3Ben]

For over 20 years Mossberg has been making shotgun parts in Torreon, Mexico and shipping them to Eagle Pass, Texas for final assembly with the U.S. made parts.

To the best of my knowledge, that's only the "maverick" line, and that's why they are less expensive than say, an 835, 500, 590 which i think are still made and assembled in USA.

 

[dfariswheel]

As above, "some" components of the Mossberg Maverick line are made in Mexico.
Other guns are made in the USA.

All of Remington's parts are US made. All Remington receivers come out of the same forging mill in the US.

 

[zhyla]

Everybody enjoying philosophizing about the economy using their 100% USA-made computers? Oh, what's that? You bought a computer with parts from the Pacific Rim? Shaaaaaaaaame.

 

[blaisenguns]

I dont know much about Mossbergs, but I too am realy upset about outsourcing. Two semesters ago I had to read an article for Economics about outsourcing that said "Even though we are losing jobs here, we should be happy they are going to a good place (India)." I wonder what you guys think of talk like that?

 

[reckless carolinian]

That's political, not shotguns. Similar discussions have gotten nasty. Lets not go there, please.

 

[JohnBT]

"You bought a computer with parts from the Pacific Rim?"

Intel board - Rim?

Intel quad processor - Rim?

You tell me.

Oh, and Vista - Rim? Rim of Hades maybe.



For all I know about American shotguns, they could all be made in U.S. factories by Mexicans.

 

[rcmodel]

I was looking at new Volkswagens in the dealer showroom while waiting for my Dodge pick-up to be fixed.

Lets see?
German Volkswagens, assembled in Mexico, with a Bulgarian engine, and Japanese transmission.

Goodness only knows where the rest of it came from?

rc