Man with concealed-carry permit kills robbery suspect in Cleveland

[atek3]

I'm pretty impressed, the crook had the drop on him, and yet he still drew and shot the person multiple times. Anyone know what kind of training Damon Wells has recieved?

atek3

 

[skinnyguy]

There's a dead kid there, yeah, it's a shame. But the kid decided to become a felon when he picked up the gun, when he decided to pull the gun, most likely to USE it, and when he decided that since he's under 18, he's got all the time in the world to be a bad guy, and go around threatening people.

Wake up call for a bunch of people. Now we no longer have a dead kid- we have a dead juvenile delinquent brandishing a firearm who's time ran out. I wonder how much money he had in his pocket when he was shot. Not much, i'll bet, he spent all of his last holdup. I wonder how much money that belonged to other people he'd already spent. Bet it makes my paycheck look paltry.

I hope that Mr. Wells can recover from his encounter soon, I know it can't be easy for him. I hope that the family of Arthur Buford can soon realize that the outcome of this was ARTHUR'S choice. I hope the press realizes that guns are not evil, it is the brain connected to the hand holding it that is evil.

 

[cloudedice]

Does anyone know of a sight that collect news stories like this? People legally using firearms to defend themselves?

Yep: http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html

 

[Henry Bowman]

Does anyone know if the CCW holder is being sued at all?

Even the fastest Ohio assault lawyers take more than a few hours to get a complaint on file.

 

[bass806]

I'll start a collection

Angry crowd right outside his residence and his primary protection has been confiscated by the police!!! This guy should fear reprisals form the dead guy's relatives. I wonder if he is a member here? Does anyone in Ohio know him? I would like to start a collection for a replacement pistol for the guy. I will start this off by offering $50.00. We would need a contact method and a way to know if the guy is willing to accept our replacement. Any ideas? Any other takers? I think this would be a great for us High Roaders to reach out to one of our own.

 

[AlaskaErik]

“The tendency is for people to think that only the bad guys are shooting anybody,” she said. “They just do not want to come to terms with the fact that everybody is born a good guy. We don’t know when a human being is going to cross over and make that bad decision. We keep trying to fool ourselves.”

I simply cannot understand the mentality of the left. They are utterly insane. The only one being fooled here is this idiot.

 

[toivo]

Simple fact: If you point a gun at a cop, the cop is justified in shooting you, for his own self-preservation and in the interest of public safety. Why there should be a different rule for private citizens is beyond me. And I'm considered "liberal" by a lot of people.

 

[buck00]

An angry throng of about 30 youths gathered Monday and set up a memorial at the intersection where Buford, a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School, died.

It's a shame- the home owner was directly threatened with a gun, defends himself, now he has 30 punks outside his house most likely harassing him as if he did something wrong... and now the police have his .40 for "evidence." Great, hope he has a back up.

And typical of the media- did you notice, the perp suddenly isn't a robber or crook, but a freshman at John F. Kennedy High School??

 

[Bezoar]

what the world is forgetting.....

the home owner was sitting on his front porch minding his own business when suddenly he has to defend himself from two punks who were commiiting :
felonies: home invasion; use of a firearm to commit a crime;
attempted murder; illegal possesion of a firearm
misdeamenor: breaking and entry(putting gun into mailslot);
criminal tresspass; brandishing a firearm;
fleeing arrest

yet the leftists in the media make the punks out like victims. when the real victim is now sitting home apparently defenseless with the threat of gang reprisal.

Kinda seems to be the above crimes with some type of gang initiation going on. I really hope this gentlemen has a good ak/ar type rifle with high capacity drum magazines. Or a friend that can loan him some.

 

[5Wire]

Multiple Offender Homicides

A majority of these, "35% of the homicides committed by offenders 14-17 years old". Kids for sure, killer kids. And it seems that the proportion is increasing.

From the Bureau of Justice web site.

I didn't see that data in the AP article.

 

[CA357]

The kid was a criminal, fifteen, freshman or Martian, makes no difference. Most of these young criminals commit crimes with impunity because as juveniles, many times all they get is a slap on the wrist. If they do get sent to Juvenile Hall, they learn and refine their criminal education.
Gangs will use underage kids as shooters, knowing that they'll pretty much get off easy. They have their Juvenile records sealed. It's like nothing ever happened. That's plain wrong.
I hate to see the loss of a young life, but he paid the ultimate price for his actions. As far as Tamika or whatever her name is, she should see if the Wizard will give her a brain.

 

[online2mch]

Sometimes stupid should be painful; or even fatal

 

[Fulcrum of Evil]

yet the leftists in the media make the punks out like victims.

Give it a rest - this is one paper, not all papers. I find it amusing that you can call the news media leftist. Do you really think Murdoch is a hippie?

 

[Trebor]

I've just always heard "justifiable homicide" used in the context of a killing that was needed, but not within the bounds of the law. So please excuse my aversion to using it to describe a self-defense case.

Whoever you heard use the term "Justifiable homicide" to refer to a "killing that was needed, but not within the bounds of the law" was using the phrase incorrectly.

A "justifiable homicide" is when you knowingly cause the death of another human (homicide), but it was required and allowed under the circumstances (almost always self defense). Hence the "justifiable" phrase.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Kids?

What the heck is this hang-up on age?

Any time after the age of eight (or insert arbitrary age here) a person can decide to break the rules and do an evil thing.

And the whole "amazement" that a young person could do such a thing -- 'cuz we all know that only older people are evil -- just baffles me.

It's like a mental short circuit. "It is not possible for persons < (age) to murder/rob/rape/assault."

And the squishier we try to make their upbringing, the worse it gets. Over forty years.

I guess we're not applying socialist indoctrination hard enough. More funds! More funds! If we do more of it and do it harder and spend more money on it . . . MAYBE WE'LL GET DIFFERENT RESULTS.

[Insert primal scream smiley here]

And we can't blame them, because they had a bad childhood.

Which we, in our infinite socialist wisdom, enforced on them.

But we mustn't stop them from doing what they want, since that would hurt their self esteem.

I need to stop now. I shouldn't write when the room is spinning.

 

[Odd Job]

Most of these young criminals commit crimes with impunity because as juveniles, many times all they get is a slap on the wrist.

That's what I have always complained about, especially here in the UK.

 

[Zoogster]

Just think, this is a clear cut case of self defense against a FIREARM pointed at someone on thier own property and he gets this response. Imagine if this poor innocent little gun pulling thug had only used a blunt object, or perhaps simply relied on fists and superior numbers to beat this guy down, potentialy stomping him to death or grabbing his gun or another weapon once he was beat down to kill him once he was defenseless. Imagine if he had shot to protect himself against 2 "kids" on his own property in any of those circumstances. If you get this kind of response when someone pulls a gun on you on your own property just imagine the response if it was less clear cut self defense against obviously lethal force.

 

[Deanimator]

Sometimes stupid should be painful; or even fatal

14,000 years ago, something would have eaten that kid by now.

Stupidity no longer has the permanent consequences it used [and ought] to have. Fortunately, in this case it did.

Proud to be an Ohioan!

 

[Ohioan]

Give it a rest - this is one paper, not all papers. I find it amusing that you can call the news media leftist. Do you really think Murdoch is a hippie?

That one paper is one of the most blatantly liberal papers in the country. The Cleveland Plain Dealer disgusts me. I'm glad I live far far away from Cleveland.

 

[- J -]

This is SO simple.

Replace "civilian with CCW" with "police officer".

What happens if you suddenly and aggresively pull a gun to a cop? You get shot and nobody laments it, because you died out of your own reckless criminal stupidity.

 

[foghornl]

IIRC, the guy was walking home from a store, got home, said miscreants then attacked him on his front porch.

City of Cleveland is pretty far leftist, and the fishwrap ahhhhh... newspaper "Plain Dealer" reflects that. Hizzoner Mayor Frank Jackson has either already or will soon be filing suit against the Pre-Emption portion of the recently somewhat fixed CCW law.

Cleveland requires 'registering' your guns, but I don't recall what that process actually entails. That was stricken with the pre-emption law.

 

[Kimber1911_06238]

Amazing...this guy was being robbed and one of them pulled the gun and people want him prosecuted? rediculous...don't rob people and you can avoid this.

 

[Steve N]

WEWS, channel 5 (ABC) in Cleveland last night talked about the story, but NEVER mentioned the victim (the shooter) was on his OWN PORCH when the criminals threatened him!

Not just the paper is anti-gun.

 

[rtroha]

Pro-CCW columns in Plain Dealer

Amazingly enough, two PD columnists have written pro-ccw columns. In addition, there is a news article on the aftermath.

Four windows have been broken in Wells' house in retaliation for the shooting. We also learned that the kid was already on probation.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/117749015813670.xml&coll=2

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plain....ssf?/base/opinion/117748999513670.xml&coll=2

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plain....ssf?/base/opinion/117749066813670.xml&coll=2

 

[ozwyn]

Wells should sue the kids parents for negligence. They made sure the kid grew up a violent criminal (gang member?) and now Wells has to deal with the shooting fallout.