Military vs Civilian rifle

I'd prefere to go into combat with a ............. bolt action rifle

  • Military issue

    Votes: 110 84.6%

  • Commercial sporting

    Votes: 20 15.4%
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Of the military bolt actions I'm familiar with, I'd take my 03A3.
Very accurate
good sights
fast slick action
30-06 ammo can be found in any store that sells sporting goods in the country.
 
No 4 Mk I. Need I say more?
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That, or my Ishapore 2A. 10 rounds magazine (or is it 11, or 12? reports differ), 7.62x51, with a sight graduated out to (an optimistic) 2000 yards.
 
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If I'm going to die, I'm going to look good doing it!!
 
I too would not totally discount the potential need/utility in having a bayonet. When ammo runs out, a good spear is better than nothing. Not to mention if being bonzai'ed, and can't reload fast enough.
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Seems to me from a weight standpoint, one is better off with a compact-scoped/backup iron sighted mountain-type rifle, a knife, and say a semi-compact Glock or P99 or som'n. knife is easier than a bayonet for all those little cutting things in the woods, and it would seem to me that a pistol beats a spear for "oh my God they're right HERE" moments.

Now granted, I dunno if I'd equip an army that way (especially fifty years after bolt actions were dropped. :) )... but on an individual level it makes more sense to me.

-K
 
Well, Kaylee, if you're going to make them carry a knife, you might as well put the attachments on it so it can be mounted as a bayonet. They don't HAVE to be 17" long, you know.

Bayonets make your weapon that much harder to snatch, too. Awfully discouraging.
 
Well, Kaylee, if you're going to make them carry a knife, you might as well put the attachments on it so it can be mounted as a bayonet. They don't HAVE to be 17" long, you know.
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Which again, makes sense if you're equipping an army, watching a budget, and are restricted for some reason to boltguns.

For the individual... I can't agree. Mostly 'cause the mounting points for a bayonet necessitate extra weight in the forearm, and screw up your zero when mounted. A sporter profile rifle makes more sense for that application. Lighter, handier, and less to worry about when maintaining accuracate performance over longer periods of abuse. Essentially... do you want a spear that shoots, or a rifle? ;)

Bayonets make your weapon that much harder to snatch, too. Awfully discouraging.
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So are a couple 9mms :)

-K

(who's been reading entirely too much Cooper lately. :p )
 
Mine would have to be a military, I don't have any civy bolt actions unless you count my old Glenfield Mod 10.

And my choice is easy, one of my M44's, perferably the Hungarian. More than adaquate powered cartridge, close range flame thrower, and I can't leave the bayonet laying around somewhere. And you can't argue with a good butt stroke from a thick metal butt plate to calm someone down.
 
Kaylee,

With all due respect, why is it that you cannot simply answer the question that is asked in these threads.....The question was very simple and you just could not decide, so you tryed once again to "have it your way" Come on, combine the two types by taking a civilian rifle and putting in what did you say, beefier parts? :) I mean, the question is so simple.....

Oh and you also wrote...
For the individual... I can't agree. Mostly 'cause the mounting points for a bayonet necessitate extra weight in the forearm, and screw up your zero when mounted. A sporter profile rifle makes more sense for that application. Lighter, handier, and less to worry about when maintaining accuracate performance over longer periods of abuse. Essentially... do you want a spear that shoots, or a rifle?
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Seriously, where did you get this stuff......we're talking about a bayonet, on a MILITARY RIFLE...you're talking about some odd ball, home built, basement project civilian/military/sci fi channel/ x-files super weapon, that's straight out of the movie Tremors....And for the record.....if you are low on ammo, or completely out and you mount your bayonet to help repel an enemy charge.....what bleepin' difference does it make, if it changes your "zero" (I think you mean bullet impact) 1 moa? Huh? This isn't hollywood....if they're close enough to stab, they're too close to worry about your zero :scrutiny:

And for the record, I haven't been reading any Cooper lately, and I find it insulting to men in general!!! The fact that you think it's ok to insult us, but heaven forbid, if we don't agree with you....well...NOT everyone agrees with cooper....on every subject, but at least he knows something about the subject he's commenting on/moderating on. :banghead:
 
insulting? huh? :confused:
what'd I say that's insulting?
aaah.....OH... I got it. Must have phrased that badly. I meant I must have been reading too much Cooper lately, as some of the ol' guy's seeming to rub off. Him'n McBride... :) Sorry, I thought that was clear.

Further, the original question was:

If you had to go into combat with just a bolt-action rifle using only iron sights which would it be military issue or a commercial sporting rifle?
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Now, leaving aside for the sec I don't intend to go into combat and anyone who'd try to send my pansy femme tuckus into combat would be either flippin' insane or monumentally desperate .... :)

I answered with what I, personally, thought would be the best choice for an individual equipping him or herself for some kinda extended dust-up. That was answering the question as I read it. (Though I see on rereading I missed the part about no glass. silly me. :) )

Now, ask "what would be the best choice for equipping an army restricting the choice to bolt-action milsurps or modern off-the-rack sporters" ... the answer's gonna be different.

-K
 
Nightcrawer, I disagree!!
Everytime I see a post of Kaylee's, there's an argumentative statement, written somewhere in it....Oh, I know...she comes off oh so sweet while telling you how dumb you are for not doing things her way.....sweet as sugar, or not...she's still an opinionated person and if she can't defend her positions based on fact, instead of feelings, then she should keep her opinions to herself. She obviously wasn't in the Military, but due to the "Moderator" title she has, she would have us believe she's an expert on Military weaponry and tactics...... Give me a break!!
 
Kaylee, if you want to start a new thread on that topic fine, but why do you feel it necessary to hijack everyone else's and make them about you?
 
Jeesh

It seemed like such a nice little thread.

OT hijack here, I once read a case study about an insect that got lodged in someones rectum, seems that the more the doctors did to try and remove it, the farther it crawled up in there.

I still say my M44 will beat Kaylee's mountain rifle/knife/pistol combo.:neener:
 
Okie, Was that story related from your own personal experience? Was the removal process painfull? Have you recovered psycologically? I hear that stuff really screwed ol' richard gere up!!! Best of luck!!!

Get Well Soon
 
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Get off the cross...the other kids need the wood to build a treehouse.

Oh, and remember that thing about "personal attacks" in the Rules of Conduct?
 
Sgt: !GEEEZSH! Did Kaylee turn you down at the Homecoming Dance or something?.... :what:

I think she's got some valid points. I'd much rather have an extra pistol or fighting blade (i.e. Ka-Bar, tomahawk,etc.) than a bayonet attachment. More options, you see...:cool:

Also, have you ever been jabbed HARD w/ a rifle barrel? It will get your attention.... :evil:

I'd take a bayo IF it was permanently attached--like Okiecruffler's M44, but I wouldn't feel naked w/o it...:cool:
 
Again, If you're going to carry a big knife like a Ka-Bar, may as well have bayonet attachments on it.

Otherwise, I'd carry a small knife, probably 4" or less, to use for basic utility work. The way I see it, you're not that likely to need a fixed bayonet, but you're less likely still to need a big combat knife (not to mention a bayonet mounted on a rifle is, at least to me, preferable to a knife in the hand, as a weapon of last resort).

My opinion, though.
 
Wow, I just read Kaylee's post (and being an expert at stirring things up:D) I fail to see anything out of line in her post to draw the harsh response. Do you want to talk about WACO again and calm things down:D ?
 
1917, if iron sights are dictated.
Personally, I'd like a 17" knife, though not necessarily for use on the rifle. :)

John
 
Odd-funny: You go to the CQB forum, and folks talk about how a guy with a holstered pistol is very vulnerable to a knife-guy from 21 feet on in. Seems to me that a mounted bayonet adds to this death-distance. And if the target fella has a slung rifle on his shoulder, how fast can he "draw"?

Ever done bayonet drill with a WW I or WW II rifle? Wanna figure out how to stop a guy who banzais at you from some 20 feet or so? I don't.

Art
 
And if you don't have a bayonet, what are you going to roast your marshmellows with? And since they make a semi auto rifle so much more dangerous that they outlawed them, they must be pretty deadly.
 
Skunkabilly: You've heard about "falling on your sword." It made a whole lot of sense to me one day when, while having my SMLE sporter leaning against a chair, I tripped over my big feet & fell. The muzzle caught me right under the sternum & took the breath right out of me! Fortunately, the chamber was empty & the mag elsewhere... :what:

Couldn't laugh about it for a week afterward--too painful...:(

Okiecruffler:

And if you don't have a bayonet, what are you going to roast your marshmellows with?
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There you go being all PRACTICAL again. I'll acquiesce to this point, but you haven't lived until you've fried SPAM on a hot axe blade...:D
 
No matter what kind of a fight I'm in, I would do my best to stay out of sight while putting holes in the enemy.
I have never been a spectacular marksman, but I am pretty damn good on a good day.
A scope isn't a necessity as long as I have my glasses.
I would go with the Finn M-39.
Well proven by some of the best guerillas that the world has ever seen and it fires a powerful round as well. The ammo is cheap enough to shoot it quite a bit and to stockpile 500 rounds or so without too much trouble.
And mine is deadly accurate.
I would pick it hands down.
 
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