More federal shenanigans coming our way.

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None of Your Business!

By Dr. Ron Paul

You may not have heard of the American Community Survey, but you will. The national census, which historically is taken every ten years, has expanded to quench the federal bureaucracy’s ever-growing thirst to govern every aspect of American life. The new survey, unlike the traditional census, is taken each and every year at a cost of hundreds of millions of dollars. And it’s not brief. It contains 24 pages of intrusive questions concerning matters that simply are none of the government’s business, including your job, your income, your physical and emotional heath, your family status, your dwelling, and your intimate personal habits.

The questions are both ludicrous and insulting. The survey asks, for instance, how many bathrooms you have in your house, how many miles you drive to work, how many days you were sick last year, and whether you have trouble getting up stairs. It goes on and on, mixing inane questions with highly detailed inquiries about your financial affairs. One can only imagine the countless malevolent ways our federal bureaucrats could use this information. At the very least the survey will be used to dole out pork, which is reason enough to oppose it.

Keep in mind the survey is not voluntary, nor is the Census Bureau asking politely. Americans are legally obligated to answer, and can be fined up to $1,000 per question if they refuse!

I introduced an amendment last week that would have eliminated funds for this intrusive survey in a spending bill, explaining on the House floor that perhaps the American people don’t appreciate being threatened by Big Brother. The amendment was met by either indifference or hostility, as most members of Congress either don’t care about or actively support government snooping into the private affairs of citizens.

One of the worst aspects of the census is its focus on classifying people by race. When government tells us it wants information to “help” any given group, it assumes every individual who shares certain physical characteristics has the same interests, or wants the same things from government. This is an inherently racist and offensive assumption.

The census, like so many federal policies and programs, inflames racism by encouraging Americans to see themselves as members of racial groups fighting each other for a share of the federal pie.

The census also represents a form of corporate welfare, since the personal data collected on hundred of millions of Americans can be sold to private businesses. Surely business enjoys having such extensive information available from one source, but it’s hardly the duty of taxpayers to subsidize the cost of market research.

At least the national census has its origins in the Constitution, which is more than one can say about the vast majority of programs funded by Congress. Still, Article I makes it clear that the census should be taken every ten years for the sole purpose of congressional redistricting (and apportionment of taxes, prior to the disastrous 16th amendment). This means a simple count of the number of people living in a given area, so that numerically equal congressional districts can be maintained. The founders never authorized the federal government to continuously survey the American people.

More importantly, they never envisioned a nation where the people would roll over and submit to every government demand. The American Community Survey is patently offensive to all Americans who still embody that fundamental American virtue, namely a healthy mistrust of government. The information demanded in the new survey is none of the government’s business, and the American people should insist that Congress reject it now before it becomes entrenched.

December 16, 2004

Dr. Ron Paul is a Republican member of Congress from Texas.
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Source: http://www.federalobserver.com/archive.php?aid=9090

Funny, like Dr. Paul, I don't see anything in the Constitution that authorizes such invasive interrogation.
 
Last time around I got the brief one, but my friend got the long one. I was pretty appalled at some of the questions on it. The short one is no big deal.
 
I guess I'll have a lot of $1000 fines 'cause I ain't answering any of them. They can go to hell and I'll go to the media and a lawyer.

Greg
 
Some of the census data is really interesting, but I agree the race, income, and health stuff is unnecessary.

However, then the talking heads in Washington wouldn't be able to draw up cute graphs that show that the top 20% make 50% of the money, or whatever it is. What a disaster that would be! They would no longer be able to agitate effectively for "progressive" taxes!
 
Asking the intimate details of one's life would never stand up to a SCOTUS ruling. Of course, the govt. has no business asking those questions in the first place.
 
it assumes every individual who shares certain physical characteristics has the same interests, or wants the same things from government

You mean stuff like loose shoes, etc? Is Earl Butz available to run the census?
 
I don't know about you guys, but I feel a case of "creativity" coming on.

I don't understand the hostility...
Why not just answer the questions?
Maybe you make a mistake here, or you don't understand the question there...
Next thing you know, ol' Uncle Sam has no idea what the hell is going on. ;)

In fairness though, I guess they don't know what's going on as it is.
 
I don't get it.

He says the Census is ok, but the ACS isn't?

They're the same thing practically. The ACS is the replacement for the Census long form.

I guess he wants to get rid of the Census long form as well.
 
They've been pestering me on a monthly basis since last spring. Supposedly they only want to know if I am working. Right after the election their intentions changed. They actually had the balls to ask me if I voted. I'm hard to reach these days and they've taken to leaving messages for me to call them back.

Apparently there is no limitation or end in sight with these people.
 
The obvious difference

"He says the Census is ok, but the ACS isn't?

They're the same thing practically. The ACS is the replacement for the Census long form."

Nonsense. The census exists at the express direction of the Constitution. Its purpose is to tally the number of citizens in order to apportion representatives in Congress and lay out electoral districts. Asking how many people live in a house is hardly an invasion of privacy. :scrutiny:

The ACS provides raw information for "data mining" by the whole panoply of federal agencies - and whatever else gets access to it. It has NO specific Constitutional authority and rests for its imposition on the "general welfare" clause - like "interstate commerce," an open door for intermeddling. :barf:
 
Here's the link for it:

http://factfinder.census.gov/jsp/saff/SAFFInfo.jsp?_pageId=sp1_acs

It's a trade off. Have you ever looked at the census data? You can find out how many Americans have electricity, how many TVs they have in their house etc. I'm sure that it's used by the govt. to estimate impacts of programs, track progress etc.

But, it's gotta come from somewhere.

Oh, just found this out. Title 13 requires the Census Bureau to keep all information about respondents strictly confidential. Any Census Bureau employee who violates these provisions is subject to a fine of up to $250,000 or a prison sentence of up to five years, or both.
 
Ive had the long one.....I answered the questions...there is one more vertically challenged transexual in this Country thanks to me!

WildihavenobathroomAlaska
 
The census also represents a form of corporate welfare, since the personal data collected on hundred of millions of Americans can be sold to private businesses.
***? :scrutiny: :mad: :cuss:

Bite me. I'll take the 5th.
 
I've not heard of census folks actually going into a house to count bathrooms. Verification, anyone? "What the heck, I really thought I made a gazillion dollars, last year!"

After all, you can only answer to the best of your remembrance, right? So your memory isn't what it once was...

Had a followup guy show up here at my wife's house, last time around with the census. Their forms hadn't shown up, so far as we knew, so no fill-out-and-return and hence the followup.

I figured sitting in the front yard was a pleasant thing.

Ya know, it must have taken that guy some two hours to get all the info out of me, I was so helpful. And he learned about two-home families and coffee joints along I-10 and deer huntin' and reloading; deserts and swamps and all manner of good and useful information.

I'm a helpful fella, I am, always happy to help folks in their work.

Besides, I'd sprayed myself with Deep Woods Off, and he hadn't. Summer evening in south Jawgia...

:D, Art
 
Sure hope they don't notice that one of the two registered republicans in my house is a dachshund or that she is listed as a dependant on tax forms.
 
When government tells us it wants information to “help†any given group, it assumes every individual who shares certain physical characteristics has the same interests, or wants the same things from government. This is an inherently racist and offensive assumption.

I'm a member of the human race.
 
This issue pops up every 10 years. Little early this time.

Yes, the enumeration of citizens is indeed Constitutional. That's the only question I answer. Any other info, like number of toilets, will require a search warrant. Even informing the feds of the sex and race of the occupants is not Constitutional ... although when I marked "1 adult occupant" and left the rest unanswered, the census agent who showed up later could deduce a few obvious tidbits (white 30ish male) when I answered the door.

The feds always threaten a fine for not answering the unConstitutional questions, but I've never heard of them actually charging anyone. They always back down at the backlash.

NOTE: IF YOU ANSWER, BE TRUTHFUL. Taking the 4th & 5th and not answering beyond "N citizens live here" is one thing; giving false testimony is punishable. Answering "13 toilets" when there isn't is a felony.
 
How many toilets? Hmmm...how many trees are on my property?

(my dog is a registered Republican too, and his views are equally important. That damn cat is a Libertarian, though, and doesn't count ;) ).





Alex
 
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That damn cat is a Libertarian...

Aren't all cats?
I think my cat is a liberal. He sleeps late, has no visible means of support, whines until he gets his free crabcake treats, bullies the dog, is into 'touchy feely' stuff like sitting on your lap and is completely and totally self centered.
 
Please pardon my ignorance on this matter but where is it written that we *have* to answer these things?

Do the census people really try and enter a house to get information?
 
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