sevt_chevelle
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EAA was the Tanfoglio importor a few years ago, that relationship went south. EAA owned the rights to a few of the names if I recall right, hence the model line shake up.
Most Accurate 10mm Out-of-the-Box?
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JohnMc
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I knew that EAA and Tangfoglio had parted ways but hadn't heard that EAA had the rights to the names. That makes sense.
My Hunter is an EAA imported one, I got it 5 years ago at the LGS.
riverats
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In my experience, it’s been the early Kimber EC2 in a photo finish over a Sig P220 MER.
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It is a Tanfoglio Match from the period in which Tanfoglio pistols were imported by EAA Corp. under the name EAA Witness. They probably chose that Novak-style rear sight to make the Match model more combat-ready. On this large and heavy pistol I prefer the Bo-Mar style adjustable rear sight which have always been the one mounted on the examples sold in Italy. I bet Novak style rear sight is available as an accessory on the Tanfoglio website.
Yes, you are right. The current Gold Match seems the evolution of the model that EAA Corp. named "Hunter" some years ago.
I've made a little research and it seems that the Novak style rear sight mounted on the EAA Witness Match was also fully adjustable in windage and elevation just like the Bo-Mar style one.
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I’ve heard Sig P220 is very accurate as well. It is interesting that your p220 SAO is more accurate than the DA/SA. Is the the SAO an Elite or Legion version?
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With all the different versions of Tanfoglios: Stock, Match, Extreme, Limited, Etc., is there a model that sticks out as having exceptional accuracy. I would imagine that many share similar parts…
I think Match models have match barrels and maybe tighter tolerances in the barrel-to-slide and frame-to-slide fit. Otherwise why call them Match or even Gold Match? But I'm not sure... I'm not into pin-bowling or silhouette competition but I see a 10mm Gold Match to be a good choice for a semiauto pistol to compete.
The others are race pistols for IDPA and IPSC competition and I can't think of how they could be anything less than extremely accurate.
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Nice. Though I’m not familiar with the GT edition?I really like my Sig P220 GT20. Very accurate and well built.
It was the first P220 10mm
It’s the Guntalk model. Sig only built about 150 of them. All are SAO.
Attention to detail seems nicer than the run of the mill 10mm P220’s I’ve seen.
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Ok so don't laugh, and if you do make sure you swallow your coffee first.
So I began the 10mm thing back around 89 while i had wanted one since I read about them when the Bren and Delta Elite came out. Just something about it clicked with me. I managed to find one of the IAI Javelina's (careful with the coffee) and the fun began. Most of the folks I ran the ranges with at the time never heard of or had no use for such a thing. I was enamored with it and wanted it for hunting. I piddled around with the different weight bullets and finally settled on the 180gr as my standard. There were only a couple of them on the market and the Gold Dot was yet to come. By and far the Winchester was the best shooting and with them being offered in bulk for loading that is where I learned how well the Javelina would really do. I got many smirks and smiles at the range while wringing out the best loads but most would change their attitudes after the target came in. The thing just shot and shot well. I set the sights on 50yds and it would and still will drill ragged holes out of the bull. It has accounted for quite a few feral hogs through the years and just seems to do it's thing.
I finally decided that I was going to get something else to carry around on the tractor while keeping up the property. I went with the G40 due to them not being something I would hate to have to clean all of the dust and dirt out of, or ruin because of that. It was a shooter as well, while maybe not being quite as tight as the Javelins I blame that on the differences in frames and grip. I just don't shoot a Glock as well as a 1911 variant. It took me about a month and I replaced the factory barrel with a KKM comped barrel. I had no idea how much I would like that but it is a hoot. I load the 180gr Gold Dot as a mainstay for both using the same exact load and they will both drive them into nice groups at 50yds.
I shoot for load development at 20yds from a rest, but once they shoot bug holes, I practice from there on out standing with no rest. I also cast my own HP's for them both in a 185 and 195gr which have been slowly replacing the Gold Dot due to their being unobtainable. I DO have plenty on the shelf but I can use my own to the same degree for hunting or practice.
As far as accuracy, either of the ones I have ,or most off the shelf will usually shoot very well and better than most of the folks who buy them can. I think the biggest thing is most who gravitate to the 10mm really have no idea of what they have until they touch one off. Most of the 10mm factory ammo is dialed back somewhat comparatively to what it was in the 80's Now that the 40 has such a strong appeal there really isn't a real market for the 10mm IMO. There are still the boutique ammo companies who throw out some pretty potent stuff, but in general most is not much more than the 40. I personally see no real reason for mine to be downloaded. They are pushing the 180's and 195's up into the mid to high 1300fps ranges, and still have a little wiggle room. This give me all I want and slams hogs with plenty of authority.
I would LOVE to pick up a Sig or similar but I just don't have the need with the two I already have. I just do not see where anything else will, well other than looks, do anything I can't already accomplish. That isn't saying the upper lines of other brands aren't worthy, just I feel mine are just a tool in my kit purchased for specific purposes and just like tools there decent ones and great ones. Nice looks for me get trumped by utility.
So I began the 10mm thing back around 89 while i had wanted one since I read about them when the Bren and Delta Elite came out. Just something about it clicked with me. I managed to find one of the IAI Javelina's (careful with the coffee) and the fun began. Most of the folks I ran the ranges with at the time never heard of or had no use for such a thing. I was enamored with it and wanted it for hunting. I piddled around with the different weight bullets and finally settled on the 180gr as my standard. There were only a couple of them on the market and the Gold Dot was yet to come. By and far the Winchester was the best shooting and with them being offered in bulk for loading that is where I learned how well the Javelina would really do. I got many smirks and smiles at the range while wringing out the best loads but most would change their attitudes after the target came in. The thing just shot and shot well. I set the sights on 50yds and it would and still will drill ragged holes out of the bull. It has accounted for quite a few feral hogs through the years and just seems to do it's thing.
I finally decided that I was going to get something else to carry around on the tractor while keeping up the property. I went with the G40 due to them not being something I would hate to have to clean all of the dust and dirt out of, or ruin because of that. It was a shooter as well, while maybe not being quite as tight as the Javelins I blame that on the differences in frames and grip. I just don't shoot a Glock as well as a 1911 variant. It took me about a month and I replaced the factory barrel with a KKM comped barrel. I had no idea how much I would like that but it is a hoot. I load the 180gr Gold Dot as a mainstay for both using the same exact load and they will both drive them into nice groups at 50yds.
I shoot for load development at 20yds from a rest, but once they shoot bug holes, I practice from there on out standing with no rest. I also cast my own HP's for them both in a 185 and 195gr which have been slowly replacing the Gold Dot due to their being unobtainable. I DO have plenty on the shelf but I can use my own to the same degree for hunting or practice.
As far as accuracy, either of the ones I have ,or most off the shelf will usually shoot very well and better than most of the folks who buy them can. I think the biggest thing is most who gravitate to the 10mm really have no idea of what they have until they touch one off. Most of the 10mm factory ammo is dialed back somewhat comparatively to what it was in the 80's Now that the 40 has such a strong appeal there really isn't a real market for the 10mm IMO. There are still the boutique ammo companies who throw out some pretty potent stuff, but in general most is not much more than the 40. I personally see no real reason for mine to be downloaded. They are pushing the 180's and 195's up into the mid to high 1300fps ranges, and still have a little wiggle room. This give me all I want and slams hogs with plenty of authority.
I would LOVE to pick up a Sig or similar but I just don't have the need with the two I already have. I just do not see where anything else will, well other than looks, do anything I can't already accomplish. That isn't saying the upper lines of other brands aren't worthy, just I feel mine are just a tool in my kit purchased for specific purposes and just like tools there decent ones and great ones. Nice looks for me get trumped by utility.
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As often as not, "match grade" or similar claims are just marketing hype with maybe a slightly better trigger or adjustable sights. For instance, I'm not sure what kind of matches a "match" 10mm Tangfolio is being built for. No one is going to use one to shoot Bullseye matches, which are going to be dominated by .22 target pistols, and 1911-style pistols in .45, and occasionally a target pistol in something like .32 Long or 38 Special. The 10mm would only fit in the centerfire portion of the match, and wouldn't have any advantage, as the power of 10mm is basically a liability for precision paper punching.
Similarly, I don't think anyone uses 10mm pistols in the practical shooting sports like IDPA, USPSA, or 3Gun. IDPA has rules about how big a gun can be, and a long slide 10mm probably wouldn't fit for most divisions. USPSA would let 10mms play in Production, Carry Optics, Limited, Limited 10, and Open divisions, but they'd be at a disadvantage in Production and Carry Optics divisions due to how they're scored. They'd also be at a disadvantage in Open Division, since the larger 10mm cartridge would drop your magazine capacity below other Open Division guns chambered in .38 Super or 9 Major. Probably the best place for a 10mm to play would be in the Limited and Limited 10 divisions, where everything is scored major and most guns are .40 S&W. Most people in Limited/Limited 10 Divisions are shooting 2011 style pistols, though.
My advice: if you are actually planning to participate in a shooting sport, find and attend a couple of local matches before you buy any equipment, and ask for recommendations from people who've been doing it awhile. That way you'll have a much better idea of what equipment is best, and don't end up spending money on something that says "match grade" but doesn't actually fit in with the sport you want to play.
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I have been a 10mm whitetail hunter for 20 years. Never had an issue with 8 inch plates at 100 yards with any of them. The Glock 29 would be the worst with the delta elite but both can hit 8 inches at 100. I limit my delta and all other 10mms to 75 on whitetail but that's because of me and the power factor. Not the guns accuracy. I see very little accuracy difference in my later 6 inch hunting 10s from sig and a Glock/ kkm gun.
If I had to say which one was easiest to group it would be my 2011ish delta.
After that probably my 6 inch kkm barrel Glock or p220. But they all shoot plenty good to hunt with
If I had to say which one was easiest to group it would be my 2011ish delta.
After that probably my 6 inch kkm barrel Glock or p220. But they all shoot plenty good to hunt with
Tanfoglio Match models are available in various calibers including 10mm Auto. This does not mean that a 10mm Match is designed to be used in target shooting competitions but only that respects certain factory requirements (match grade barrel, l guess). For target shooting competitions, a .45 Tanfoglio Match would certainly be more appropriate, if only because the .45 makes larger holes and this is important for the score because there is more possibility that two or more holes will touch each other or that one hole touches a line thus earning the upper score. No large caliber pistol would be competitive against the .22L.R. Olympic pistols in target shooting, which is why there are specific competitions for large caliber pistols. The 10mm Auto pistols make sense in pin-bowling matches and steel silhouette matches where it is important to throw down what you hit. The same goes for the Tanfoglio race pistols: they are also available in 10mm Auto but that doesn't mean it's a good idea to compete in an IPSC or IDPA match with a 10mm Tanfoglio race pistol. It just means that the 10mm Tanfoglio race pistols are built to the same standards as the corresponding 9mm, .38SA, .40S&W models, certainly more suitable for an IPSC or IDPA match.
For hunting, a 10mm pistol with 6'' match barrel would be a better choice than the same 9mm model but this does not exclude the possibility that the same pistol designed for hunting could be offered in both 10mm and 9mm caliber.
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This right here is key. I think most modern pistols are accurate. The person’s ability to shoot the pistol is what matters more than the accuracy of the pistol itself.
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Lot's of bench racing but only one actual target?
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My most accurate 10mm so far, is my SA XDM Elite 3.8" with a 3/4" 5-shot group at 25yds...
Second place goes to my Glock G29 with 1"...
Third place is my Tisas D10 with 1.25"...
I'm still working on loads for the Tisas, so it may well do better in time.
This thread does not deliver.
My most accurate 10mm so far, is my SA XDM Elite 3.8" with a 3/4" 5-shot group at 25yds...
Second place goes to my Glock G29 with 1"...
Third place is my Tisas D10 with 1.25"...
I'm still working on loads for the Tisas, so it may well do better in time.
Justin
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The sport of NRA Bullseye pistol breaks down into three sections. The rules specify a .22 LR course of fire, a centerfire COF (anything bigger than .25), and a .45 ACP course of fire. To compete in the sport, the bare minimum you'd need would be a pistol in .22 LR and another in .45 ACP. For the centerfire portion, since it doesn't specify a caliber, a lot of people just shoot their .45 twice, but some competitors use a 3rd gun, usually chambered in something like .32 Long or .38 special. For the specified Olympic pistol sports, they're all .22 LR. While there are other shooting sports sanctioned by the ISSF that use centerfire guns, the only ones the Olympics use are for .22.
I would agree that a 10mm would be an excellent choice for a bowling pin match, and don't have enough knowledge about silhouette to comment on whether it would be a good choice or not. I would hesitate to recommend them for an action pistol sport like IDPA or IPSC, at least long term, as a starter gun in something like Production Division they'd be fine.
My basic advice, though, is to be careful when buying a gun that a company claims is "match grade." The best thing to do is to dig into whatever sport you want to compete in and see what most people are using or what the rules allow and let that be a guide. The thing I would recommend is to find out, specifically, what a company means when they say "match grade." For some, it just means they slap a set of adjustable iron sights on it and call it a day. As an example, years ago I bought a USA Shooting commemorative "match" Ruger 10/22. It came with one of those stocks you see used in Sportsman's Team Challenge, and a hammer forged heavy target barrel. The gun actually shoots quite well, but even though the gun was touted as "match grade" it still came with a stock factory trigger, something that I swapped out almost immediately for a competition trigger.
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