Most adopted law enforcement sidearm?

[Mp7]

Germany:

Walther P 99
Heckler & Koch P 2000 (P8),
Heckler & Koch P 7
SIG Sauer P 225 (P6)


around here only gangstas and Bikies use Glocks

 

[GVMan]

Figures lie etc

I think the problem is in the exact question being asked. Are we talking the most agencies where an agency with 1000 gun carrying members counts as one agency? Or are we talking actually number of professionals carrying a particular firearm where in the above example that agency would count as 1000.

The CZ list does seem to contain a large number of "small" agencies.

Looks like you all might be right!

 

[Storm]

Overall honors, over the years, in the USA, would have to go to Smith & Wesson, I would imagine.

 

[mljdeckard]

Just because CZ lists every agency, which has at one time, issued a non-specific number of guns to their officers, which may or may not still be in use, if they were ever widely used at all, doesn't make them the most used gun in the world.

I like them a lot, and if I were looking to get a full size 9 one day I would have them near if not the top of the list. But I lived in Europe for four years, and I don't think I ever saw a cop carrying one.

 

[wrangler5]

I've read that Glocks were early favorites in the switch from revolvers due to their very double action revolver-like manual of arms and trigger action. This is somewhat connected to the liability issue mentioned by Billy Shears, but of more importance was the ability to simply and quickly train officers, most of whom are not "gun people", to handle a new weapon safely and effectively. This was especially important in the huge departments, with thousands and even tens of thousands of officers to retrain, which I believe is where the big numbers of Glocks-in-service first began to show up.

 

[overbore]

Glocks are the majority in the US

for Agencies in the US. I was the Quartermaster for new PD and did extensive research which showed that in Georgia about 90% of police carry Glocks and nationwide about 70% do. Source? Briefing at Glock citing FBI stats. I know of one department that first went with Sigs, then S&W's then changed out to Glock 21sf for ease of training, ( smaller frame), top rated stopping power (.45acp), reliability, virtual zero maint. requirements and the fact that the weapon is first and foremost combat weapon that has regularly fired 10,000 rounds with no cleaning and no failures. With a combi laser-light or the new laser-top sight, it is hard to beat. ??? Yes, I do and handload 185gr Gold Dots--.

Laus Deo
overbore

 

[Carl]

Does anyone know of any Law Enforcement Agencies that issue a 1911? Or has every agency picked quantity over quality when it comes to shots?

 

[9mmepiphany]

This is somewhat connected to the liability issue mentioned by Billy Shears, but of more importance was the ability to simply and quickly train officers, most of whom are not "gun people", to handle a new weapon safely and effectively.

when Glock was first trying to break into the LE market, they were having a lot of NDs from departments which bought them and issued them like prior pistols

Glock's answer was to include training as part of the package when a department converted to the Glock system.

the actually had a training cadre which went to departments and trained the trainers to teach the "troops" to stop shooting stuff they didn't mean to...it wasn't a easy transition from the wheelgun for many officers/departments

 

[REAPER4206969]

Heckler & Koch P 2000 (P8)

The P8 is a USP.

 

[KBintheSLC]

Does anyone know of any Law Enforcement Agencies that issue a 1911? Or has every agency picked quantity over quality when it comes to shots?

Maybe LAPD's SIS team... we've all seen the Kimber ad's right? It doesn't make sense to use 1911's at 2 to 4 times the price of a Glock, that essentially do the same job. These agencies are buying hundreds or even thousands of guns at a time. The accounting dept would pull their hair out.

 

[18DAI]

Glock, no question.

Even with S&W GIVING FREE M&P's to agencies, they are not going to hurt Glock.

 

[9mmepiphany]

These agencies are buying hundreds or even thousands of guns at a time

the LAPD SIS team isn't that large

the largest LEA that issues the 1911 to a specilized unit seems to be FBI SWAT. i can't think of any agency of any reasonable size that has the 1911 as a general issue weapon

 

[jayman 440]

1911s are very heavy, have low capacity magazines, and not all 1911's area dependable out of the box, plus they are also the most expensive of the lot. Factor that in with some women in LE who may be averse to the recoil. Also most 1911's are too nice to be getting banged up on all the items we bump into daily.

 

[cubesmoothie]

They carry glock 22's here. Across the river they carry sig saur .40's.

 

[chilic82]

If Glock releases the interchangeable grips this year at SHOT show, it's going to be impossible to knock them off the block. No other sidearm can be repaired, have the trigger weight easily increased/decreased , and match the weight to firepower ratio of a Glock. They really are hard to beat.

 

[C-grunt]

I doubt the 1911 would ever be general issue to a large department. The manual of arms is more complicated than Glocks,Sigs or S&Ws.

The problem is that a good majority of officers are not gunnies and dont practice on their off time. Hell most wont even practice if given the opportunity on the clock. My department does a IDPA type match almost every month and only maybe a couple hundred out of 3000 officers show up.

So now we have a lot of officers who wont train with their weapons who will all of a sudden get into a firefight. You got to make that gun as simple to use as possible if you want them to survive.

That being said our local Sheriffs department lets their officers choose off of a big list. The Glock is still the majority but I do see some 1911s.

I personally wouldnt carry a 1911 just because It would get scratched up and I would cry. Way to nice of a weapon to carry for duty.

 

[Quiet]

Does anyone know of any Law Enforcement Agencies that issue a 1911? Or has every agency picked quantity over quality when it comes to shots?

Many of the larger LE departments that issue 1911s, such as FBI & LAPD, only issue the 1911s to specially trained LEOs. FBI issues Springfield Armory 1911s to SWAT & HRT and LAPD issues Kimber 1911s to SIS and SWAT.

Not sure if they still do this, but during the late-1990s the Long Beach PD issued Para-Ordnance P-7.45LDA to their recruits and after graduation, the new officers had 6 months to turn in the Para-Ord 1911s and purchase their own department approved sidearm (you get a list of approved make/model pistols).

 

[9mmepiphany]

FBI issues Springfield Armory 1911s to SWAT & HRT

wasn't it Baer for HRT and Springfield for SWAT?

 

[C-grunt]

wasn't it Baer for HRT and Springfield for SWAT?

I think the HRT uses the Springfield as well. I had a bank robbery a while back and one of the FBI agents that showed up had just left the HRT and he was still carrying his 1911. Im pretty sure it was a Springfield..... operator or professional or something like that.

 

[Billy Shears]

I've read that Glocks were early favorites in the switch from revolvers due to their very double action revolver-like manual of arms and trigger action. This is somewhat connected to the liability issue mentioned by Billy Shears, but of more importance was the ability to simply and quickly train officers, most of whom are not "gun people", to handle a new weapon safely and effectively. This was especially important in the huge departments, with thousands and even tens of thousands of officers to retrain, which I believe is where the big numbers of Glocks-in-service first began to show up.

It's also the origin of the heavy "New York Trigger" that a lot of departments mandate for Glocks, and which mine only this year abandoned, going back to the standard 5 1/2lb trigger. The Glock wouldn't be my first choice, simply because of the grip angle, and I'd really prefer a gun with a frame-mounted manual safety on an LE sidearm. Having said that, however, I heard the Hallelujah Chorus playing in my head when I turned in that overweight jamomatic -- the S&W 5946TSW -- that I had before, and got the Glock in its place.

 

[Quiet]

wasn't it Baer for HRT and Springfield for SWAT?

The FBI HRT started off using Novak custom BHPs.
They changed to Les Baer customized Para-Ordnance P-13.45 1911s.
Due to reliability issues with the double-stack 1911 magazines*, they switched back to their old Novak custom BHPs.
When FBI SWAT adopted the Springfield Armory Bureau Model (the TRP and TRP Operator are the civilian versions of the Bureau Model), FBI HRT also adopted it to replace their old Novak custom BHPs.


*reliability issues were so bad that the next RFP the FBI put out, specified the use of a single-stack magazine.

 

[9mmepiphany]

When FBI SWAT adopted the Springfield Armory Bureau Model (the TRP and TRP Operator are the civilian versions of the Bureau Model), FBI HRT also adopted it to replace their old Novak custom BHPs

thanks for the update, i haven't been keeping up.

i knew their BHPs weren't holding up and i understand them not wanting to give up capacity, but was very surprised when they went with the ParaOrd...even Baer can only do so much with a sow's ear

 

[giggitygiggity]

Glock 22 and 17 are without a doubt the most common USA LEO sidearm. The .45GAP is starting to generate interest as well.

 

[TexasBill]

While the Texas Department of Public Safety issues SIG P226s in .357 SIG as the standard sidearm, the Texas Rangers are free to use whatever handgun they can qualify with. The M1911 was probably the most common Ranger sidearm, which may well still be true. Most of the Rangers I know carry the .45 ACP, most often a Colt. I do know one that carries an engraved Browning Hi-Power, but that's because it was a gift from his family when he was appointed a Ranger. I don't know of any Rangers carrying Glocks.

 

[spd1303]

I am a police officer for the state of missouri. Most of the bigger agencies that pay for the officer's weapon go with either the glock 22 or the glock 31. And 9mmepiphany is correct. Us LEOS hardly pay anything for our guns, even if it is for personal use. Some of the smaller agencies around here let you (the officer) pick what weapon you wanna carry. And even those guys carry some type of glock.