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I'm having difficulty following all of the changes over the last year in CT/NY/CA/etc.

Which state now has the most restrictive laws for gun owners at this point? New York? New Jersey? Massachusetts? Connecticut? Hawaii? Has California been unseated as the long reigning king of gun control?

Too close to call?

Asking from an overall perspective; including handguns, concealed carry, right to own pretty black rifles, etc. I realize this is somewhat subjective and I'm not looking for a gripe fest or big argument over it.

It just seems to me that the epicenter of gun control has dramatically, and quite rapidly, shifted from one coast to the other.
 
Hawaii, IMO, followed by Maryland and New Jersey/New York. Hawaii has probably less than 100 gun permits issued throughout the entire State.
 
Hawaii is the most restrictive. All firearms are registered with the police and there are essentially no carry permits issued.
 
I don't think CA has been king ever... or at least a REALLY long time.

Ive always thought IL, DC, NY, (NJ?), and Mass were worse.

Admittedly, Ive never read all of their laws. HI does seem pretty bad and CT (and MD)and really "Up'd their game" recently.
 
California... long reigning king of gun control?
That is an urban legend

California has never been at the top of the pile. As far as I can remember...40+ years...Hawaii has always been the king.

As more and more counties in CA authorize CCW, California has been passed several states...Maryland, Il, DC, Mass, New Jersey and New York come to mind. With a CA CCW, there are less statewide restrictions than many other states. For example, there isn't a State accommodation for businesses to post signs restricting carry having criminal penalties...they just ask you to leave if they don't care to offer services.

I think CA does lead the nation in finding ways to work around the letter of the law
 
DC Probably beats them all.

For states, in all honesty it is probably NJ, mainly because NJ is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In just about any other state, pistols may be restricted, but you can go into your local sporting goods store and buy a "Joe Biden Special" without any special paperwork (Illinois excepted). So even if pistols are restricted by permit, you can at least get a shotgun to defend your home.

In NJ you can't even touch a gun in the gun store without a firearms ID card. This includes air guns.

The permitting process can take from between 30 days to six months. At least Illinois is consistent.

So why is it a self-fulfilling prophecy? How many of you got into guns because you just decided to buy one one day? Probably not many of you. Your father or friend or co-worker probably took you to the range one day. Well if that father or friend or co-worker never existed because getting a permit was too much of a pain in the neck then you would never have an opportunity for guns to come into your orbit.

Over time as people died or moved away, the state was left with fewer and fewer gun owners.

This is how more and more crazy gun laws can get passed in NJ. When only 14% of NJ residents own firearms, people don't care what gun laws are passed -especially when they don't own a gun, don't know anybody who owns a gun, and wouldn't even know how to buy one if they wanted.
 
That is an urban legend

California has never been at the top of the pile. As far as I can remember...40+ years...Hawaii has always been the king.

Interesting. Never really studied up on Hawaii gun laws; but I guess that would explain why Hawaii concealed carry permits holders are currently the only ones accepted by Illinois for obtaining a non-resident permit.

I guess it'd help if we split the question in to multiple parts;

#1 which is the most restrictive states for right of self defense (concealed carry, laws governing rights on self defense)

#2 which are the most restrictive states for other firearms; semi-automatic rifles, etc?
 
DC Probably beats them all.

For states, in all honesty it is probably NJ, mainly because NJ is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In just about any other state, pistols may be restricted, but you can go into your local sporting goods store and buy a "Joe Biden Special" without any special paperwork (Illinois excepted). So even if pistols are restricted by permit, you can at least get a shotgun to defend your home.

In NJ you can't even touch a gun in the gun store without a firearms ID card. This includes air guns.

Same applies in Illinois, although the paintball and airsoft guys recently got high velocity airguns de-listed as dangerous weapons. Now you can buy a 1300fps airgun without having a firearm owner's ID card and going through all the background check stuff.

The permitting process can take from between 30 days to six months. At least Illinois is consistent.

I've seen FOID applications take 5-6 months to be issued, in Illinois.

So why is it a self-fulfilling prophecy? How many of you got into guns because you just decided to buy one one day? Probably not many of you. Your father or friend or co-worker probably took you to the range one day. Well if that father or friend or co-worker never existed because getting a permit was too much of a pain in the neck then you would never have an opportunity for guns to come into your orbit.

Over time as people died or moved away, the state was left with fewer and fewer gun owners.

This is how more and more crazy gun laws can get passed in NJ. When only 14% of NJ residents own firearms, people don't care what gun laws are passed -especially when they don't own a gun, don't know anybody who owns a gun, and wouldn't even know how to buy one if they wanted.

We have similar laws in Illinois, and the RKBA movement and sheer number of gun owners in this state (despite FOID, no right to carry, etc) is VERY strong.

Outside of the Chicago metropolitan area, the rest of Illinois is shockingly pro-gun. The problem is, much like New York, we have the bulk of our population concentrated around a major city, and that major city is run by anti-gun politicians.

The difference is, our downstate Democrats are by and large pro-gun (excepting a couple of exceptions like the carbondale area). Chicago republicans vote anti, downstate Democrats vote pro.

If it weren't for the down state pro-gun Democrats making up the difference, to overwhelm the Chicago anti-gun republicans, we would have ended up with a weak may-issue bill.
 
Hawaii will never see one dime of me or the wife's vacation money, count on that. Nor that of anyone else whom I can influence.
 
The permitting process can take from between 30 days to six months. At least Illinois is consistent.

Not sure what Illinois you're talking about. By law the state is supposed to give you a response within 30 days, but since its Illinois they don't care and happily break the law. Now, that being said I actually got my FOID back in 3 weeks so they seem to be not quite as bad now, but my wife applied at the same time and is almost at 30 days now. My wife's cousins applied for theirs a year or two ago and had to wait almost 7 months to get theirs. The state has been backlogged for awhile, but I heard that with the concealed carry permits starting they hired more staff to get caught up so they weren't doubly backlogged.
 
I guess it'd help if we split the question in to multiple parts;

#1 which is the most restrictive states for right of self defense (concealed carry, laws governing rights on self defense)

#2 which are the most restrictive states for other firearms; semi-automatic rifles, etc?
Wouldn't change.

CA doesn't lead the nation in either of those restrictions either. I have four friends who just completed their first AR builds and have several clients who have gotten their first CCW in the last couple of years
 
Tiny Rhode Island is almost never mentioned when talking about restrictive states. But you might or might not be able to get a carry permit in some areas. Wiki has them listed as hybrid shall issue and may issue state.

There is a 7 day waiting period for both long guns and pistols and both require 'applications to purchase'.

To buy a pistol, they require a safety course before you are able to purchase one. Rhode Island does not accept any other state's carry permit.

http://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/state-laws/rhode-island.aspx
 
The problem is in rating the entire state. Many states are not that bad, it’s the specific cities/counties within certain states that make the whole state appear as anti-gun.
New York City vs NY State
San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Diego, Sacramento vs California
Chicago vs Illinois
Denver vs Colorado

The anti-gun populations in these large cities overwhelm the general population of the entire state, control the legislatures and make the state seem as though it’s anti-gun.
 
+1 to Twiki357

I never considered NYState to be all that bad (atleast until the SAFE Act, now it's certainly in the top 5 worst states) But NYCity has always been hands down THE worst place in the U.S. for being a gun owner.

When moving to California or Illinois would be a noticeable improvement to your situation, you know you're in a bad place.
 
I live in Massachusetts. I have a license to carry which costs $100 to renew every six years. I own an AR15 HBAR and a bunch of other high capacity, semi-auto rifles and handguns. I have a C&R license, and I've collected a few guns using it.
On paper I guess Mass is an anti-gun state, but it hasn't slowed me down in any practical sense.
There is a premium price to be paid for existing, pre-ban, high capacity magazines, but since there is no practicable way to enforce ownership laws of un-dated mags, I guess that doesn't bother me either.
So, even though Mass has very tough gun laws compared to other states, you can pretty much do what you want with just a bit of effort.
Be that as it may, I am about to relocate to a state where the gun climate, political climate, and weather climate suite me a bit better than here.
P.S.
If anyone wants to hire a fifty year old ex-corrections officer\Lieutenant with a moderate gun collection, and the job is anywhere below the Mason-Dixon line, please don't hesitate to contact me!
 
If anyone wants to hire a fifty year old ex-corrections officer\Lieutenant with a moderate gun collection, and the job is anywhere below the Mason-Dixon line, please don't hesitate to contact me!

Consider Arizona. We'd be delighted to have you (and you modest gun collection) come this way. :cool:
 
I have the misfortune of living next to Mass. and for hostility to gun owners from out of states it is one of the worst. No ammo purchases for out of staters. Very heavily regulated for bringing guns into the state. If you do a search on the internet you can find endless info on how convoluted their laws are. I have traveled to CA for a revolver match and CA was mutch better than MA.
 
If anyone wants to hire a fifty year old ex-corrections officer\Lieutenant with a moderate gun collection, and the job is anywhere below the Mason-Dixon line, please don't hesitate to contact me!

Florida has a growing prison population and they are ALWAYS hiring - look at the State web site
 
There's sometimes a bit of difference between theory and practice, so let me share a few ideas.

I lived in the NE for years, being a NJ resident, a RI resident, lived in VT for a year, and having gun enthusiast friends in NY, CT, Mass, VT, PA, and NH.

I now reside in Wisconsin as my legal home state, but am in Florida about 4 months a year and in California about another 3 months a year. I also spend about 6 weeks a year in Maryland flying with the Navy there and I shoot there too. The bottom line is that I shoot and make friends in the gun communities wherever I go.

In the NE, New Jersey is by far the worst *in practice*. Firearms ID taking 2-6 months to get before you can buy anything, another per-gun permit for handguns, handgun rationing, zero CCW issuances, state law prohibits even a C&R FFL to be used, zero NFA legality, high cap bans, absolutely anti gun sentiment everywhere, zero legal posession in a vehicle unless you are traveling DIRECTLY either to or from a range, etc., etc., etc... Even with all of those things I still enjoyed a good shooting hobby there for years. I guess we adapt, improvise, and overcome. I walked to the police station first thing on my 18th birthday for my ID card there, so I guess you can say 've been shooting there as long as I could.

In Rhode Island I was surprised at the "lenient" gun culture. Yeah... I had to wait 7 days for a purchase. Big Deal. Compared to what I went thru in NJ that was a piece of cake. And I got a CCW thru my local PD there, and it was OK. So to compare RI to NJ... well, there's no comparison. I got both Mass and CT non-resident CCW's and on top of my non-resident Florida CCW had a pretty good deal carry-wise when I lived there. Interesting tidbit, if you have a CCW from one state (say Mass) and are driving thru RI to another place where your CCW`is valid (like passing thru a RI town driving from one town in Mass to another) you can carry in your car as long as you don't get out. So there are some good points there too.

When I lived in RI my shooting buddies were mostly from Mass and CT. Guess what? They all had CCW's from their states too. Yeah, they had hassles with this and that, but compared to NJ? Not even close.

My experience in MD is not as extensive, but I have spent many hours at a friendly LGS just outside of the base and have bought rifles there. No CCW's, but at the same time you can actually BUY a firearm there. Compared to NJ... well... you can actually buy a gun in MD, so that's a big plus.

My family has a farm in PA, right on the NY line. I used to hunt there when I could. PA, of course, is a guin friendly place. But I noticed something about the NY residents who came down to visit and shoot. They all had CCW's too. And could buy whatever they wanted at the LGS when they felt like it. NYC was hundreds of miles away and none of that nonsense had filtered into the cow pastures.

Now I'm in Wisconsin. Not a lot to be said about there except for some arcane nonsense that we need to go thru to buy a machinegun. Other NFA stuff is easy. CCW's are shall-issue. Paradise Found. Florida is the same way. Only... not so fast: There's really noplace to actually shoot. All land is private, ranges are saturated with people, and there's noplace to just set up and shoot cans. <sigh>... I don't much like formal ranges or waiting in line for a pistol lane at the range at the LGS where it's always busy.

California: I live here months at a time when I am flying. I shoot in the desert, all of my friends here have CCW's (Kern County), and for shooting it's an excellent place. It's FAR better than Wisconsin for SHOOTING, as you can actually find a spot to shoot. We drive into the Mojave, pick a road, drive the truck a mile, set up and shoot. I shoot black powder, a neutered AR-15, and have a lot of fun with long range rifle shooting. Compared to NJ it's PARADISE. If I wanted to push the issue I could probably get a CCW, as the sheriff here issues them with a smile, and CA residency is not challenged too badly for folks who "live" here. Get a library card and you're in. If you like to SHOOT, as compared to being able to buy any sort of gun that you want, this is a great place.


So you can list all of the states that you like, based on the theory of their laws, but from a practical standpoint none are*nearly* as bad in my experience (which does not include Hawaii, obviously) as New Jersey. I'd live in California in a heartbeat for access to shooting sports. I'd prefer to live in Massachusetts compared to NJ. RI's only problem is that it's too darned small for a CCW to mean much, and there's no reciprocity. Good news is that Mass and CT give out non-resident CCW's, which makes things better.


NJ stands out. It's BAD there. 40+ years of it and I'll never go back. There's no saving it: If you are a shooter, I entreat you to leave.

With the new laws in CT and NY, they are getting "close" to NJ, but they are not even in the same league.... (yet).



Willie

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Thanks for the write-up, Willie. It helps to have first-person comparisons of various states.

The reason for this thread, is living in Illinois, I've often heard of how bad it is in THIS state. But, living here, and not travelling very much during my life, I've never really noticed.. it's all I know, really.

Heck, I'm 36, and never (legally) been able to carry a concealed firearm, except when I am alone at the range, and wear one in case someone tries to rob me of the other firearms I have on the rifle line. (I hate closing up the range, at dark, alone, feel too exposed out in the middle of nowhere.. so I've always got a pistol in my pocket ready to go..)


I do know that if I move from the cornfield I live in, to another corn field 90 miles east of here, I could own machineguns and suppressors. But otherwise, there's really no limits on what we own. I own 50 BMG's (even a belt fed one, albeit, semiauto). And now we can own SBR's, although I haven't filled out the paperwork I have sitting here yet to make my first one.

I know that if I moved 90 miles northeast to Chicago I would have had a whole different experience with guns.

And I've heard that other folks, in other states, have it far worse than I do.

I guess, like you say, we can "get used" to things, if it's all we ever know.
 
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