MY CZECH VZ-24 8x57MM MAUSER

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The sights on the Mauser style rifles can be hard to become proficient with. That along with the recoil can make them a challenge to shoot well. Most of the surplus ammo around is not the best either. Keep up the practice. Keep reading about your rifle on the surplus forms. You can restore to original military condition for some labor and little money.

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Mine is a minute of plate shooter at 100 meters. Havent really worked up a load for it, so am not surprised with the results. I use a 196 grain Privi FMJ over 45 grains of Tubal 5000.
 
Finally got the scope mount for my VZ-24 ordered! WOOHOO!!

Putting a 2-7x pistol scope on it, can't wait to sight it in with that volcanic Romanian 8mm. Hardcore plinkin'!
 
Yeah that's what I plink with also. He he. I had a mosin nagant 91/30 before that. If you get military surplus ammo plinking isn't that expensive with it. Say if you just shoot off 40 rounds every time you go to the shooting range. I don't like rifles under 308 win caliber. They don't have enough power for me.
 
I got the AimSports version for $25, from milsurpstuff.com where they list the VZ-24 as specifically compatible. The only other one I've seen for a VZ-24 is the S&K which run about $80
 
The sights are calibrated for 100 yards, minimum. If it's shooting high, you want to take it DOWN, not UP. At 25 yards, you're going to get some weird results because of the way rifle sights are calibrated. You need to be at 50+ yards for it to start working right.
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This! The only gun I ever regretted selling was my Turk Mauser. I also got robbed when I sold it, but this was my fault.
 
I have a VZ that shoots like crap. I think my first Mauser was a VZ also and it was horrible too. I got rid of it so fast, I don't remember. Both shot 8-12" at 50 yds and one shot so ridiculously high I had to aim for the bottom edge of a 24" target to hit the top.....sometimes. For reference I usually shoot around 3-5" groups at 100 yds with a milsurp rifle using milsurp ammo and their original iron sights. I'm still looking for an actually good shooting VZ.
 
So WardenWolf The Turkish models were made just for shooting turkeys then? Lol. J/k.
 
Try using a traditional bullseye target. The silhouette target does not give a precise point to aim at, so will make it harder to keep a consistent group. Especially since it is all black, and the sights are black :)

Something like this: http://www.targetz.com/targetzlib/10049.pdf should work well. ( www.targetz.com has a bunch of others as well, great site)

Second, as others have said, the shortest distance the sights are adjusted for is more than 25yd, so it will always shoot high at that distance. Moving the slider further forward will just make it shoot higher. No worries, just aim for the bullseye each time, don't try to compensate by aiming low just yet. The bullets will hit high but you will be able to see the group size even if it isn't on the bullseye.

Finally, what is your sight picture like? You should be centering the front sight in the notch of the rear sight and with the top of the front sight even with the top of the rear sight. Line that up with the front sight right on the bullseye and slowly pull the trigger. If you catch yourself flinching or jerking; back off, take a deep breath and focus on a smooth pull. A slip-on limbsaver recoil pad may help if you are flinching. The steel buttplate and recoil on these rifles can make the shoulder sore and lead to some bad flinching.

Some other things: I would try this before you put the scout scope on. At 25yd, either the rifle is defective, or you just need to get used to it. Throwing parts at it will just confuse matters.

Also, you are remembering to clean after shooting surplus ammo? Remember, it is corrosive. Throughly swab the bore with water or windex as soon as possible after shooting to remove the corrosive salts from the bore, otherwise it will rust.

HTH
 
A higher front sight post from Brownells or Samcoglobal will lower your impact at 100 yds. Those original sights are for 300 yds . POI usually hits 8 inches high.
 
Original POI for my VZ-24 with super-hot Romanian surplus was VERY high at 100 yds and even higher at 200... I didn't want to modify it too much so I decided to go with the scout mount. If I like I can return it to original specs (and don't much like the idea of monkeying with the front sight).

Can't wait to sight it in for that same ammo and really blow the crap out of stuff. I'll be interested to see how it goes from 100 to 200 yds. I'm guessing it may have near the same POI at 300yds as 100yds. That would be sweet.

Next question: What's the best source for guidelines on removing the rear sight ladder? Thanks!
 
Why do they shoot so high? A Crappy designed barrel or is it just made to hit 1,000 yards with a scope no sweat?
 
Thanks for the info. Col. Plink. Atleast I know what to expect if I can hit 50 to 100 yards with my gun. I hit 100 yards once with it already but I had the sight jacked to like 5 or higher I think and I wasn't used to the sights. That front sight is a bitch to see. Lol.
 
I wonder at how many yards this gun actually will shoot level. It said online that they are godd for 574 yards with iron sights and 875 yards with optics. I think the mosin nagant 91/30 I used to own probably was more accurate. I pulled a bullseye with it at 25 yards with a scope on it
and then when I got the scope set at 100 yards I pulled a bullseye with it once. But that guns mechanices were crap compared to my mauser. I guess with WW2 guns there wasn't a perfect bolt action rifle made then.
 
A new scoped 308 win Remington M700 with a 26 inch bull barrel and a bipod wouldn't be shooting high at 100 yards. As far as I know.
 
Why do they shoot so high? A Crappy designed barrel or is it just made to hit 1,000 yards with a scope no sweat?

They shoot so high because the sight were designed that way on purpose and zeroed for 300 meters. To get to 300 meters, the bullet will travel in an arc that will take it above the point of aim at shorter distances. This is because back in the day, military thought was that you would have units of soldiers bombarding each other from 100's of meters away. The Commander would order the troops to set the sights to 1500 meters (the 15 on your sights) and aim at that bridge... way over there... Sights were typically graduated out to 2000 meters. It wasn't until the middle of WWII that carbines came out with sights that "only" went out to 1000 meters.

The 300 yard setting was considered the "battle sight" position. Troops weren't expected to be guessing ranges and adjusting their sights in the heat of a battle, so you just set the sights and leave them. Within 300 yards, the trajectory is flat enough that you just aim center mass and you should hit the guy... somewhere... Chest, shoulder, leg, gut, whatever; as long as the bullet connects, it counts.

FWIW, many other rifles are the same. Those that I have experience with: Russian M91, Chilean M95, Finnish Mosins, Enfields, even the SKS has a 300 meter battle sight. It is not designed to punch perfect bullseyes on the range, it is designed to quickly hit a man sized target at 0-300 yards.
 
Choice of ammo makes a big difference as well. Obviously, powder charge and bullet weight had to be standard to expect iron sights to be 'zeroed' at 300m for everyone using that rifle. As a result, using 150-gr supercharged Romanian surplus had me hitting around 1' high at 100yds and more like 18" at 200yds (that's some kinda rainbow!). Up close the accuracy was pretty good at pointblank range.

Anyone know the ammo specs these bad boys were made for?
 
Actually I was using the biggest body targets I could find the last time I went on the range. Because it didn't do so good on a 12 inch target at 25 yards before. I firgured well this gun was made just for killing people so the best target to shoot at would be body silloutte targets. Turns out I was right. Lol. Go for the biggest silloutte targets and always aim for the center where the X bullseye is.
 
I used to be 15guns in here. I started The Mosin Nagant Club Thread a long time ago on here. Which still has a little bit of a following to this day I seen a few days ago.
 
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