My wife and I went to a viewing last night...

[Sportcat]

It was my brother-in-law's, fiance's uncle. We didn't know the man, but went to support the family.

He and his wife had gone out Thursday night to get some take-out. They placed the order and then went back out to their car to wait. A few minutes later the husband went back in to get his food, went back out to his car and was approached by a "poor disadvantaged youth."

Apparently the BG asked for money and a struggle ensued. The victim was shot once in the chest and fell back into the car. The scum then shot the victim in the head. When the victim was falling back into the car he was able to grab a chain off of the BG. After the shooting the BG jumped into a waiting car that had two other "poor disadvantaged youth" in it. The police linked the chain to a local gang.

The entire time this happened the victim's wife was in the car.

He was only 44.

This morning I heard there was another robbery at the same location last night. Thankfully no one was physically injured.

It really pisses me off these scumbags believe they have right to take property and life from others.

While the shooting and robbery happened on the other side of town, the "bad side," it has only reinforced that fact that you still carry wherever you go and be prepared.

Funeral is a 3:00p today, please say a prayer for the widow and her 21-year-old daughter.

 

[Shipwreck]

That's sad

 

[Pilgrim]

I suppose after a few weeks these animals will return to hunt in their familiar hunting grounds.

Pilgrim

 

[bobhaverford]

Did he initiate the struggle or did he comply with the BG's requests? Was the BG brandishing the gun or did he pull it out? In performing the post-mortem I always like to closely analyze the facts and see what mistakes were made.

Specifically, is there anything he could have done to prevent getting killed other than carrying?

And, if he was carrying, if the BG had the gun drawn could he have prevented this somehow?

 

[James T Thomas]

last breath

For much of it, the current generation of misguided youths have been "cut off" from the preceeding generation, and they and our nation are in peril because of it.

Our so called higher education system is largely at fault! What do I mean by this? The Bible has been removed from the classroom, faith and belief in God has been cleansed out of the textbooks -even to the extent of Thanksgiving references, attempts are being made to delete the phrase "under God" from the pledge, and on and on. Now this is deemed "neutral," however, in their stead has been substitued philosophy ( a faith or religion if you will) of another morality. Secular Humanism. How neutral is this?

An example: "What is right for you, may not be right to me," so in effect, the children are being taught to decide right from wrong according to their own consciences; and they often have none! This began with the appointment of a man named John Dewey in our Fed. Gov't. Dept. of Education, and of course the Scopes trial; evolution theory, so that now young men and women are after all only a few steps up from the animals, and their behavior proves it.

After having fought to preserve my life; Vietnam '68-69, and also now in civilian life, if I am removed from this life by the attempts of a violent criminal, I will go down fighting. I will not surrender, nor be slaughtered, nor give quarter to any such felons.

It's unfortunate that your uncle was not able to defend his precious, God -given life, but be sure that the killers will stand in a great court of Justice, and The Judge of the Universe, will administer judgement upon them with no revocation, parole, delays, legal manueverings, or plea bargains.

 

[MikeIsaj]

Sportcat; My family will remember the victim today in our prayers, as well as those he left behind.

Let's all take the high road and leave this be for a few days out of respect for the man. Then you can all tell us what he did wrong and how you would have done better.

Timing is everything here.

 

[Mnemesyne]

Our prayers are with you and your family at this time...

 

[Solo]

My condolences to you and your family.

attempts are being made to delete the phrase "under God" from the pledge

The phrase "under god" Was never part of the origional pladge, IIRC.

 

[Sportcat]

Thanks all for your replies.

But this was not my uncle... it was my brother-in-law's, fiance's uncle. Like I said, I never met the man, but it is always a tragedy when an innocent man dies in front of his wife.

I do not know the exact details, but from what has been passed on to me, the victim did not comply with the BG's inital demands.

I'm not sure who initiated the struggle.

The gun was pulled during the struggle.

 

[Buck Snort]

At sixty two years of age I find it better to just stay home at night.

 

[AnthonyRSS]

+1 for James Thomas

 

[Edmond]

At sixty two years of age I find it better to just stay home at night.

At twenty five years old, I find it the same way.

 

[JGR]

Our so called higher education system is largely at fault!

Just a note: higher education is colleges and universities. I believe your anger is directed at the public school system.

An example: "What is right for you, may not be right to me," so in effect, the children are being taught to decide right from wrong according to their own consciences; and they often have none!

No, children are just being taught pluralism, but I don't know of any culture that condones violence (and if there are any they're a very small minority).

 

[dasmi]

At sixty two years of age I find it better to just stay home at night.

23, same thing. Either my home, or someone else's.

 

[Ala Dan]

Sorry Sir, prayers and condolesences sent~!

Mr. James T Thomas-

Many thanks for the most excellent post, you stated my exact sentiments.

 

[chris in va]

taught to decide right from wrong according to their own consciences; and they often have none

Boy, isn't that the truth. I see it in my friend's kid. She simply doesn't see anything wrong with some of her actions and actually gets very pissed at ME for pointing them out.

I actually fear the current crop of adolescents being raised right now...

 

[pezo]

I'd had a good customer of mine for many years who worked in detroit. He was mugged and stabbed to death in a parking lot in the city. I'm not paranoid but when I hear stories of this. It only reinforces my beleif that every law abiding citizen be allowed to carry a concealed handgun. Let sarah brady explain to the family of these victoms why they shouldnt be allowed the means to one up the badguys and defend themselves . these stories work both ways.

 

[Standing Wolf]

At sixty two years of age I find it better to just stay home at night.

You're no doubt safer, but I say no American citizen should ever have to live in fear. It's the criminals who should live in constant, acute fear of us.

 

[Chrontius]

For much of it, the current generation of misguided youths have been "cut off" from the preceeding generation, and they and our nation are in peril because of it.

Our so called higher education system is largely at fault! What do I mean by this? The Bible has been removed from the classroom, faith and belief in God has been cleansed out of the textbooks -even to the extent of Thanksgiving references, attempts are being made to delete the phrase "under God" from the pledge, and on and on. Now this is deemed "neutral," however, in their stead has been substitued philosophy ( a faith or religion if you will) of another morality. Secular Humanism. How neutral is this?

An example: "What is right for you, may not be right to me," so in effect, the children are being taught to decide right from wrong according to their own consciences; and they often have none! This began with the appointment of a man named John Dewey in our Fed. Gov't. Dept. of Education, and of course the Scopes trial; evolution theory, so that now young men and women are after all only a few steps up from the animals, and their behavior proves it.

After having fought to preserve my life; Vietnam '68-69, and also now in civilian life, if I am removed from this life by the attempts of a violent criminal, I will go down fighting. I will not surrender, nor be slaughtered, nor give quarter to any such felons.

It's unfortunate that your uncle was not able to defend his precious, God -given life, but be sure that the killers will stand in a great court of Justice, and The Judge of the Universe, will administer judgement upon them with no revocation, parole, delays, legal manueverings, or plea bargains.

Three points:

It was originally "I pledge allegience to the flag of the United States of America. One nation, indivisible, with liberty, equality, and justice for all."

Congress never planned to give equality to all.


The Scopes decision means that we have an affordable, effective treatment for diabetes. 'Nuff said.


Secular huminism is a farce, and has been ruled to be a state-sponsored religeon. Plan to see it go bye-bye as soon as the last crop of textbooks are worn out.

 

[rick_reno]

That's terrible.

 

[Edmond]

You're no doubt safer, but I say no American citizen should ever have to live in fear. It's the criminals who should live in constant, acute fear of us.

True, but it's people like Brady (who probably has armed body guards) that embolden the criminals.

 

[MechAg94]

Very high illigitimacy rates in some areas/cultures has contributed as well.

 

[el44vaquero]

It's a sad thing.

 

[Missashot]

My heartfelt prayers and condolences go out to this man's family and friends.
Such a shame.
I agree with a few folks here about the youth of today. However, I don't blame the schools or the pledge of allegiance, or anything else along those lines. In my opinion, education and values begin at home. Parents need to take responsible, positive roles in shaping their children's lives by teaching them right from wrong.

 

[Delmar]

+1 on everything Missashot said, including the prayers.
Keep in mind that not all of today's youth are bad people. I have two sons of which I am extremely proud of.
The eldest is a combat medic in Samarra right now, with 2 and a half months to go on his tour (PLEASE GOD!) and the youngest busting his hump to gain a West Point nomination. Both eagle scouts, and raised from day one to know right from wrong.