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+1Missashot said:
Saying the schools are responsible for teaching moral values to our children sounds like one is pretty comfortable turning over fairly important aspects of their lives to someone else. Saying the police are responsible for your saftey doesn't seem that far a leap from here.
Now see? That's what I'm talking about.Delmar said:
I don't blame the schools at all because it's not the schools job to raise a child. That responsibility rests on the parents. Unfortunately, in so many cases, there are no parents around. There may be a parent or just a grandparent around.
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"Janitor, Edmond," and others who correctly know that the parents have the primary responsibility for raising the child.
I do not think you understand just what is occurring in our society today.
When I said the young people have been "cut off" from the preceeding generation; what has been done in our public education system is to convert the young person's mind to the belief that the parent no longer has the authority to govern the child, that, the parent is part of an antiquated and erroneous system of beliefs, and therefore, the child is part of the "new age" and is free to decide for themselves. No longer are they responsible to mother and father! And they will not be corrected or told what to do.
If you don't believe that today's children have accepted this damned philosophy and are living their lives according to it, you are decieving yourself!
As a result, the parent who would instill such "antiquated values" as their own respected parents passed on to them, is unable to influence their own offspring. At all! The kids are "free," adrift at sea, so to speak. Reguardless of the heritage you wish to convey to them.
Havn't you been astonished at the lack of respect today's children have toward adults? It just is not there. How did this happen? The young people even have contempt for the people who have brought them into the world.
Wasn't it Hitler, or maybe Nitche who stated "give me control of one generation of school children and I will change completely the direction of a society? ( My statement is not verbatim.)
Delmar: The bravest men I saw on the Vietnam battlefields were the combat medics. A man who has been awarded the Combat Medics badge deserves high respect, and will have that from anyone who has witnessed such things.
Just a brief note of advice you may want to convey to your brave son.
Many of the screams of the wounded are from men terrifed that they are "hit" even though their wound is not immediately life threatening. Yes they will be in pain, but the pain will not kill them. Have him go to his C.O., and LT's and discuss this with them prior to battle so that he is only called for an actual situation of imminent death.
I had seen two brave young medics summoned to run through a "hail of bullets" when the wounded could have been treated by their buddies; who had been taught first aid, and as a result exposed themselves needlessly, and did loose their lives. Brave men. A tradgedy.
I was in a Company that was almost wiped out in a tremendous ambush, and through the internet have made contact with only two of the remaining survivors. Both of these men are highly decorated soldiers, and both have stated the same regret. That they would have made sure the medic was called for only in a dying situation.
Best wishes to your West Point candidate. I served under two Captains, and perhaps a dozen Lt's. The officers are the first targets, and any man who has only the garrison soldier's contempt for the field grade officers, has only a limited viewpoint of what these men will face in the true situation they have in combat.
Will pray too, Delmar, not for the deceased, but for the living. Please post their names if you would.
"Janitor, Edmond," and others who correctly know that the parents have the primary responsibility for raising the child.
I do not think you understand just what is occurring in our society today.
When I said the young people have been "cut off" from the preceeding generation; what has been done in our public education system is to convert the young person's mind to the belief that the parent no longer has the authority to govern the child, that, the parent is part of an antiquated and erroneous system of beliefs, and therefore, the child is part of the "new age" and is free to decide for themselves. No longer are they responsible to mother and father! And they will not be corrected or told what to do.
If you don't believe that today's children have accepted this damned philosophy and are living their lives according to it, you are decieving yourself!
As a result, the parent who would instill such "antiquated values" as their own respected parents passed on to them, is unable to influence their own offspring. At all! The kids are "free," adrift at sea, so to speak. Reguardless of the heritage you wish to convey to them.
Havn't you been astonished at the lack of respect today's children have toward adults? It just is not there. How did this happen? The young people even have contempt for the people who have brought them into the world.
Wasn't it Hitler, or maybe Nitche who stated "give me control of one generation of school children and I will change completely the direction of a society? ( My statement is not verbatim.)
Delmar: The bravest men I saw on the Vietnam battlefields were the combat medics. A man who has been awarded the Combat Medics badge deserves high respect, and will have that from anyone who has witnessed such things.
Just a brief note of advice you may want to convey to your brave son.
Many of the screams of the wounded are from men terrifed that they are "hit" even though their wound is not immediately life threatening. Yes they will be in pain, but the pain will not kill them. Have him go to his C.O., and LT's and discuss this with them prior to battle so that he is only called for an actual situation of imminent death.
I had seen two brave young medics summoned to run through a "hail of bullets" when the wounded could have been treated by their buddies; who had been taught first aid, and as a result exposed themselves needlessly, and did loose their lives. Brave men. A tradgedy.
I was in a Company that was almost wiped out in a tremendous ambush, and through the internet have made contact with only two of the remaining survivors. Both of these men are highly decorated soldiers, and both have stated the same regret. That they would have made sure the medic was called for only in a dying situation.
Best wishes to your West Point candidate. I served under two Captains, and perhaps a dozen Lt's. The officers are the first targets, and any man who has only the garrison soldier's contempt for the field grade officers, has only a limited viewpoint of what these men will face in the true situation they have in combat.
Will pray too, Delmar, not for the deceased, but for the living. Please post their names if you would.
James T Thomas said:
First, I'll say thank you for your brave service for our country, and for the sacrifices you and your friends made for all of us. Secondly, I think that blaming religion (or lack thereof) for the problems in society today is a bit short sighted. It doesn't matter by what name people call god, or what scripture they tend to believe. What matters is how they are being raised by their parents. So, before condemming this generation for their faults, realize that blame can be placed squarely on the generation that came before. The problem is that people no longer understand the full commitment it takes to raise a child. All people now think about is clothes, food, and diapers to raise a child, not what values they are instilling in their children. The combination of welfare-like programs and the evolution of the "working woman" has lead to children who have no values taught to them through childhood. Raising a child is a 24 hour / 365 day job, not one that can be done in the hour between the end of work and dinner. And third, just because you believe in a certain god or a certain scripture does not mean that everyone else should have to as well. If you want your child to be taught christianity in school, send them to a private christain school. Your child does not have any "god-given" right to be taught religion in school (I thought that's what churches are for), and you certainly have no right to say what religion that MY child should be taught. As long as I am paying taxes, not one of my cents will be used to teach a child antiquated religious beliefs.
James
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James481: Please reconsider!
"Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal...etc. are not antiquated beliefs.
Maybe they are being viewed that way and therein lies part of the problem.
Friend, think about it; how one percieves God, or not, determines your entire viewpoint on life itself, and settles your actions, doings, comings and goings. Everything.
James481: Please reconsider!
"Thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not steal...etc. are not antiquated beliefs.
Maybe they are being viewed that way and therein lies part of the problem.
Friend, think about it; how one percieves God, or not, determines your entire viewpoint on life itself, and settles your actions, doings, comings and goings. Everything.
AnthonyRSS
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I'm with James T here but I see where the others are coming from. It is much easier to have a set of morals if you have an infallible standard to back them up with. Otherwise, morals change. You can see change in society's morals in the last xx years. And you can blame it on whatever you want.
But I've gotten, OT.
My condolences to the family.
But I've gotten, OT.
My condolences to the family.
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JGR said:
Excuuuze me?!! What about Islam? It not only condones violence but promotes it actively as good. Jihad is a religious responsibility. The Japanese condoned violence. Surely the Germans. But the quintesential advocates of violence are the Mooooooslems. And we WILL have to deal with sooner rather than later.
I'm with James481 on this, I'm afraid. One does not need to believe that the earth was created by god in order to treat the residents of it with a little respect.
Sadly, almost all societies have condoned violence when it suited their needs. I don't think anyone who is on this board (a firearms board, after all) would deny that occasionally violence is actually neccessary and useful. Look at some of the wartime propaganda from any country- not just German, but American too, or Russian (they were on our side then), or anyone else... Violence against people from a specific national or ethnic group was encouraged. History is full of political, religious, ethnic, or other crusades and wars, and picking any one god to promote won't necessarily change that.
Not saying I have the answers- I've got a kid of my own that I'm trying to raise right, and I see plenty of bad examples to avoid all around me. Lots of people being parents who shouldn't be (and if the Supreme Court goes and makes abortion illegal, there's going to be a lot more soon).
Whole thing just makes me sad and tired. I think the best we can do is lead by example, and let our example be seen. Want to help? Volunteer with a mentoring program, or other youth group, or your local school.
Just went to a funeral myself, last weekend, but the death was due to surgery complications, nothing violent thank god.
Sadly, almost all societies have condoned violence when it suited their needs. I don't think anyone who is on this board (a firearms board, after all) would deny that occasionally violence is actually neccessary and useful. Look at some of the wartime propaganda from any country- not just German, but American too, or Russian (they were on our side then), or anyone else... Violence against people from a specific national or ethnic group was encouraged. History is full of political, religious, ethnic, or other crusades and wars, and picking any one god to promote won't necessarily change that.
Not saying I have the answers- I've got a kid of my own that I'm trying to raise right, and I see plenty of bad examples to avoid all around me. Lots of people being parents who shouldn't be (and if the Supreme Court goes and makes abortion illegal, there's going to be a lot more soon).
Whole thing just makes me sad and tired. I think the best we can do is lead by example, and let our example be seen. Want to help? Volunteer with a mentoring program, or other youth group, or your local school.
Just went to a funeral myself, last weekend, but the death was due to surgery complications, nothing violent thank god.
ny32182
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Sportcat,
Where did this take place? It wasn't Anderson, was it?
To the rest, I'm not super religious. In fact, I believe man isn't capable of handling group religion on a large scale and remaining rational about it. And still, I've managed to go through life without killing anyone yet. Fancy that.
Where did this take place? It wasn't Anderson, was it?
To the rest, I'm not super religious. In fact, I believe man isn't capable of handling group religion on a large scale and remaining rational about it. And still, I've managed to go through life without killing anyone yet. Fancy that.
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Deep breath, everyone.
From the Forum Rules:
This thread is teetering right on the edge between appropriate and inappropriate for THR.
As a Christian myself, on a personal level I certainly sympathize with those who are saying that the lack of a standard by which to judge morals is a bad thing.
But on a more objective level, I need to observe that THR is not the place for comparative religion. If you have a problem with that, I'm sorry -- but that's the way it is.
Carry on.
Oh, to the original poster, Sportcat: good for you for showing up at the funeral and supporting the family. If you come across a news article about the situation, or hear more details, please do post them!
pax
Deep breath, everyone.
From the Forum Rules:
This thread is teetering right on the edge between appropriate and inappropriate for THR.
As a Christian myself, on a personal level I certainly sympathize with those who are saying that the lack of a standard by which to judge morals is a bad thing.
But on a more objective level, I need to observe that THR is not the place for comparative religion. If you have a problem with that, I'm sorry -- but that's the way it is.
Carry on.
Oh, to the original poster, Sportcat: good for you for showing up at the funeral and supporting the family. If you come across a news article about the situation, or hear more details, please do post them!
pax
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Robbery and shooting connected?
By Meryl Dillman Anderson Independent-Mail
October 17, 2005
The Anderson County Sheriff's Office doesn't know yet if a Thursday evening shooting and a Thursday evening robbery are connected.
"We're still trying to put two and two together," said Susann Griffin, Sheriff's office spokeswoman.
On Thursday around 8:45 p.m., James "Pete" Wells, 44, was approached by a man while returning to his car after picking up food from Bamboo Gardens Chinese Restaurant at 209 S.C. 28 Bypass in Anderson County. He was shot in the chest and head. He died in surgery at AnMed Health Medical Center.
The restaurant shares a parking lot with Quality Foods, which is located at 207 S.C. 28 Bypass.
The robbery's victim had just left Quality Foods around 4 p.m., after cashing a check at the grocery. The robbery took place at the intersection of Airline Road and Hayes Road. The victim was traveling down Airline Road when a following car passed her. The driver pulled in front of her and forced her to stop. The car's passenger got out and put a revolver in the victim's face and demanded money. She was not injured.
Susann Griffin, Sheriff's Office spokeswoman, said the victim of the robbery thinks the car the suspect got out of was a Ford Taurus or a Ford Contour and was "purplish in color." Ms. Griffin said there might be a correlation between the two incidents, but the office doesn't know for sure. She said it hopes to know more within the next few days. Several tips have been called in, but investigators don't yet have anything concrete.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
James "Pete" Wells was murdered during a Thursday robbery attempt. His church plans to help find the person responsible for his death.
Gethsemane Baptist Temple plans to offer a $25,000(cq) reward to anyone who provides information that leads to an arrest, said Angie Gilstrap(cq with her on the phone), secretary of the church(cq with her on phone).
Ms. Gilstrap said the church is giving authorities a few days to solve the case, but if they don’t, the church will offer the reward. At Sunday’s 11 a.m. service, the church voted to take the reward money out of the church budget, Ms. Gilstrap said.
"We just felt like we wanted to do something to help," she said.
Anyone with information on either incident is asked to call the Anderson County Sheriff’s Office tip line at (864) 332- 5453.
By Meryl Dillman Anderson Independent-Mail
October 17, 2005
The Anderson County Sheriff's Office doesn't know yet if a Thursday evening shooting and a Thursday evening robbery are connected.
"We're still trying to put two and two together," said Susann Griffin, Sheriff's office spokeswoman.
On Thursday around 8:45 p.m., James "Pete" Wells, 44, was approached by a man while returning to his car after picking up food from Bamboo Gardens Chinese Restaurant at 209 S.C. 28 Bypass in Anderson County. He was shot in the chest and head. He died in surgery at AnMed Health Medical Center.
The restaurant shares a parking lot with Quality Foods, which is located at 207 S.C. 28 Bypass.
The robbery's victim had just left Quality Foods around 4 p.m., after cashing a check at the grocery. The robbery took place at the intersection of Airline Road and Hayes Road. The victim was traveling down Airline Road when a following car passed her. The driver pulled in front of her and forced her to stop. The car's passenger got out and put a revolver in the victim's face and demanded money. She was not injured.
Susann Griffin, Sheriff's Office spokeswoman, said the victim of the robbery thinks the car the suspect got out of was a Ford Taurus or a Ford Contour and was "purplish in color." Ms. Griffin said there might be a correlation between the two incidents, but the office doesn't know for sure. She said it hopes to know more within the next few days. Several tips have been called in, but investigators don't yet have anything concrete.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
James "Pete" Wells was murdered during a Thursday robbery attempt. His church plans to help find the person responsible for his death.
Gethsemane Baptist Temple plans to offer a $25,000(cq) reward to anyone who provides information that leads to an arrest, said Angie Gilstrap(cq with her on the phone), secretary of the church(cq with her on phone).
Ms. Gilstrap said the church is giving authorities a few days to solve the case, but if they don’t, the church will offer the reward. At Sunday’s 11 a.m. service, the church voted to take the reward money out of the church budget, Ms. Gilstrap said.
"We just felt like we wanted to do something to help," she said.
Anyone with information on either incident is asked to call the Anderson County Sheriff’s Office tip line at (864) 332- 5453.
ny32182
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Very sad. Wish I could carry more often than I am able to currently.
Sportcat
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ttbadboy said:
I wish I could carry back and forth to work, but parking on campus prevents thats. Hopefully we'll be able to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol someday.
outfieldjack
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mole said:I was there today. I take my grandmother grocery shopping there sometimes when I come to visit. I guess we won't be going back for a while. Since I'm from GA I couldn't carry in Anderson if I wanted to.
I think a NH permit will solve that problem...
Sportcat
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South Carolina does not recognize NH's permit.
Sportcat
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http://www.packing.org/state/new_hampshire/image.php?stateimage=53
Appears NH's permit is not recognized by SC.
Appears NH's permit is not recognized by SC.
We had something like that happen a few miles up the road from where I live. Seven in the evening, man pulls into a car wash, starts washing his van, Car pulls up behind his van with four young men, two of them illegals.
Two get out, approach the man, demand his money. He refuses. One thug draws a pot metal handgun fires two shots. The guy's wife, screaming holds his head off the wet floor while one of their three kids runs in search of a phone. He dies on the floor. All four perps are caught, all point fingers at the other. What a way to leave this earth, two shots from a pot metal .22.
Two get out, approach the man, demand his money. He refuses. One thug draws a pot metal handgun fires two shots. The guy's wife, screaming holds his head off the wet floor while one of their three kids runs in search of a phone. He dies on the floor. All four perps are caught, all point fingers at the other. What a way to leave this earth, two shots from a pot metal .22.
luxone
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This is a very sad story. The family is in my prayers.
I'm sorry to see people who take this approach. I refuse to live in fear. I will do my best to prepare myself for bad situations and I will hope that these preperations save me. I will not stay at home out of fear! This type of approach just hands our world to the BG's.
I'm sorry to see people who take this approach. I refuse to live in fear. I will do my best to prepare myself for bad situations and I will hope that these preperations save me. I will not stay at home out of fear! This type of approach just hands our world to the BG's.
Sportcat
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http://www.wyff4.com/news/5182657/detail.html
Deputies Release Gunman Sketch In Parking Lot Homicide
Man Shot, Killed During Attempted Robbery
POSTED: 4:16 pm EDT October 26, 2005
UPDATED: 9:39 am EDT October 27, 2005
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ANDERSON -- Investigators have released a sketch of man they believe shot and killed a man during an attempted robbery earlier this month.
James "Pete" Wells was shot in the parking lot of Quality Foods on the Highway 28 Bypass on Oct. 13 and later died at Anderson Area Medical Center.
No arrests have been made so far.
Members of Wells' church are offering a $25,000 reward for information that will lead to an arrest.
Anyone with any information is asked to call CrimeStoppers at 231-STOP.
Deputies Release Gunman Sketch In Parking Lot Homicide
Man Shot, Killed During Attempted Robbery
POSTED: 4:16 pm EDT October 26, 2005
UPDATED: 9:39 am EDT October 27, 2005
Email This Story | Print This Story
ANDERSON -- Investigators have released a sketch of man they believe shot and killed a man during an attempted robbery earlier this month.
James "Pete" Wells was shot in the parking lot of Quality Foods on the Highway 28 Bypass on Oct. 13 and later died at Anderson Area Medical Center.
No arrests have been made so far.
Members of Wells' church are offering a $25,000 reward for information that will lead to an arrest.
Anyone with any information is asked to call CrimeStoppers at 231-STOP.
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