NEW PRM For National Park Carry

[The Reaper]

Info from Philip Van Cleave on efforts to get the National Park Service to allow concealed carry in National Parks.


Do you want to carry in National Parks? Please read on!

VCDL has finally got a Petition for Rule Making (PRM) ready to present to the Department of the Interior. Unlike writing letters to the Department of the Interior or signing regular petitions, all of which the DOI can ignore, the PRM will force the DOI to consider allowing permit holders to carry in National Parks. They will have to hold a public comment period. I will advise when that happens, as then we will need lots of comments sent to them by everyone on Packing and elsewhere.

For now we need as many national and state organizations to sign on to it as possible. We are NOT looking for individuals to be a petitioner – but individuals should contact their state and national organizations to encourage them to sign on to the PRM ASAP. I will update the end of this message with those organizations who have signed-on as I receive them.

National and state gun organizations: print out the entire petition so you can read it and fill in the last page. You can then either fax the last page to me at: 804-739-8376

Or you can mail the last page to me at:

Philip Van Cleave
VCDL
5509 West Bay Court
Midlothian, VA 23112-2506

I will be sending this in around January 15th, 2005 – so please get the signed pages to me as soon as possible.

Thanks!

Here is the link to the PRM:

http://www.vcdl.org/new/Petition_for_Rulemaking.pdf

Organizations signing on to Petition for Rule Making:

Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia
Johnstown Rifle and Pistol Club, Pennsylvania
Menoher Sportsmen's Club, Pennsylvania

 

[Bobarino]

awesome work! please keep us updated on the progress. thanks for your efforts!

Bobby

 

[45-auto]

Fantastic.

As part of the Virginia Citizen's Defense League, you are worthy of Jefferson's legacy.

 

[AZRickD]

Forwarded to my lists.

Let's forward this to other gunnie forums as well.


Rick

 

[Leatherneck]

Guys, remember--THIS IS NOT JUST FOR VIRGINIA! DOI makes the rules for all lands administered by NPS. So get out the word far and wide!

I can think of no better leader than VCDL and Van Cleave; he (we) have had spectacular success nibbling away at stupid rules in The Old Dominion. Let's put some horsepower into this!

TC
TFL Survivor

 

[Guntalk]

Folks . . . Philip will be on my radio show this Sunday to talk about this measure. We also will get him to chat about what is going on in Virginia, and how other states can benefit from their experrience.

The show starts at 2:06pm Eastern on Sunday, with Michael Bane, of The Shooting Gallery TV show. Philip comes on the next hour.

www.guntalk.com

Stations which stream the show:
www.kbnp.com
www.ksbn.net
www.kxam.com

It's also on Sirius satellite radio, channel 141.

 

[LAK]

All well and good - except I am still baffled by this obsession with "concealed" handgun carry. If there is going to be a serious effort to get the DOI to allow a nationwide carry of handguns in parks - why not make it openly so as well?

 

[deanf]

Any news on this?

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

I have, in response to this thread, just finished carefully reading Section 8 of Article I of the US Constitution. This is the section which states what powers the Federal Government is to have. As you all know, the Federal Government only has those powers delegated to it via the Constitution (Tenth Amendment). I was unable to find in Section 8 any mention of a power residing in the Federal Government to acquire and regulate land for the purpose of national parks. Is this power in some other section in some other article? I ask sincerely. If you know what section/article it is in, please let me know. Was there a "parks creation" amendment to the Constitution? There may well have been. I am just asking. No flames please.

 

[TarpleyG]

^^^

That's all well and dandy to wish for but in case you haven't noticed, the Constitution, according to our lovely federal gubmint, is in Jamaica, sitting on the beach, sipping rum drinks, on a really long vacation and is apt not to return.

Greg

 

[CARRY'IN]

My California CCW class taught the only places I could not carry were a bar, an airport, or a courthouse. I did not know I could not carry in a national park.

 

[Otherguy Overby]

Mis/Dis-informed

My California CCW class taught the only places I could not carry were a bar, an airport, or a courthouse. I did not know I could not carry in a national park.

Nope. Someone's making up the bar part.

However, the issuing authority can write whatever restrictions they desire on your CA CCP as they want. Whether their restrictions are legal is another subject. Hey, it's what you get when dealing with the elite.

 

[CARRY'IN]

Nope. Someone's making up the bar part.

Says right in my handbook I cannot carry in an establishment whose primary business is dispensing alcoholic beverages (a bar). I will look again and make sure; but my question was about national parks. Can I carry in a national park or not?

 

[Otherguy Overby]

Who do you believe?

Go here: http://caag.state.ca.us/firearms/forms/pdf/cfl.pdf
page 42 of the .pdf (page 36 of the CAAG doc.)
Under exceptions, please note there is/are no restriction(s) on:
Loaded firearms in public places for:
- Holders of licenses to carry concealed handguns.

Though not mentioned what it means is you are only restricted against carry where prohibited by federal law.

Go ahead and do a text search in the whole document for bar and you'll find nothing except "barrel".
If you search for "alcohol" you'll only find it under a section pertaining to: safe handling and storage of firearms.

You might take another look at the published document you refer to and then let us know who printed it.

BTW, a California CCW permit, if you can aquire one, is one of the least restricted CCW permits available in the country.

 

[CARRY'IN]

Who do you believe?

I will dig up my handbook and paperwork and let you know. It might be on the little restriction card they gave me and be a county thing. I just remember during the course I imprinted on my brain "no bars." I did forget I cant picket with one- unless I am reading the info in your link wrong.

 

[45-auto]

Regardless, the 2A is very clear.

Some may disagree, and if they catch you. . .well, there are consequences for everything I suppose. Which is an absolutely pathetic comment on things these days.

But I don't go to California willingly.

 

[CARRY'IN]

Carrying a gun without a CCW is a nerve wracking way to live. And if you actually pull it on someone- you may be screwed worse than if you had not.

 

[MarkDido]

BTW, a California CCW permit, if you can aquire one, is one of the least restricted CCW permits available in the country.

Ironic that Florida which was one of the first states with a "shall issue" CCW, is more restrictive than California. We can't carry anywhere where alcohol is sold for consumption on the premises (bars, T.G.I Fridays, Bowling Alleys)