New Tisas Hi-Power clone
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I took the pistol out today to road test the new hammer and safety.
The good news is the hammer and safety seem to work fine. No worries there. The bad news is the gun occasionally fails to extract. Out of about 150 rounds, I had six failures. Something I notice with the factory extractor is it lacks the bevel that allows the extractor to snap over a chambered round. When the gun fails to extract it usually took me a couple tries to get the extractor snapped over the rim and the slide in battery in order to clear the fired case.
Another disappointment is the firing pin retaining plate. It is cracked from the ejector notch to the firing pin hole. I've seen several 1911 firing pin plates crack in the same spot but only after extended use. I did break a factory BHP plate years ago but that, too, was after extended use.
Something to keep an eye on is the impact surface on the face of the recoil spring tunnel. It is showing a little discoloration from coming to a stop against the corresponding flat in the frame. Nothing alarms me yet but I will certainly watch carefully.
I've already taken advantage of Midway's free shipping on orders of $99 or more and have ordered a C&S extractor, a factory Browning firing pin plate and a 20# recoil spring.
More when I have it....
The good news is the hammer and safety seem to work fine. No worries there. The bad news is the gun occasionally fails to extract. Out of about 150 rounds, I had six failures. Something I notice with the factory extractor is it lacks the bevel that allows the extractor to snap over a chambered round. When the gun fails to extract it usually took me a couple tries to get the extractor snapped over the rim and the slide in battery in order to clear the fired case.
Another disappointment is the firing pin retaining plate. It is cracked from the ejector notch to the firing pin hole. I've seen several 1911 firing pin plates crack in the same spot but only after extended use. I did break a factory BHP plate years ago but that, too, was after extended use.
Something to keep an eye on is the impact surface on the face of the recoil spring tunnel. It is showing a little discoloration from coming to a stop against the corresponding flat in the frame. Nothing alarms me yet but I will certainly watch carefully.
I've already taken advantage of Midway's free shipping on orders of $99 or more and have ordered a C&S extractor, a factory Browning firing pin plate and a 20# recoil spring.
More when I have it....
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Another quick update.
I spoke to the importer this morning. They are aware of the extraction problems that some of these guns have had. The next batch coming into the country will have a new extractor that should be good to go.
Also, any existing guns with extraction problems are covered by warranty. If you have a gun that's got an issue they'll send you a replacement extractor.
I spoke to the importer this morning. They are aware of the extraction problems that some of these guns have had. The next batch coming into the country will have a new extractor that should be good to go.
Also, any existing guns with extraction problems are covered by warranty. If you have a gun that's got an issue they'll send you a replacement extractor.
Mine was $440 and $15 for shipping last week, so you are very close.
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Where'd you get it?
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I received mine yesterday, and began work on it today.
I was not able to change out the extractor, since I discovered that I didn't have one. However, the BHSS upgrade kit should be arriving any day.
So far I have:
1. Changed firing pin stop, firing pin, and replaced firing pin spring with a heavy one.
2. Removed magazine safety and replaced trigger return spring with BHSS 2-coil version.
3. Installed BHSS 17 lb. recoil spring.
4. Installed SFS.
5. Replaced stock grips with Uncle Mike's.
When the BHSS kit arrives I will change out the extractor and will replace sear lever pin at the same time. (I have a spare sear lever pin, but decided I have spent enough time on this today.)
The bag contains all the parts I removed. Now to clean up my work area, and maybe I will get a chance to get to the range tomorrow.
I was not able to change out the extractor, since I discovered that I didn't have one. However, the BHSS upgrade kit should be arriving any day.
So far I have:
1. Changed firing pin stop, firing pin, and replaced firing pin spring with a heavy one.
2. Removed magazine safety and replaced trigger return spring with BHSS 2-coil version.
3. Installed BHSS 17 lb. recoil spring.
4. Installed SFS.
5. Replaced stock grips with Uncle Mike's.
When the BHSS kit arrives I will change out the extractor and will replace sear lever pin at the same time. (I have a spare sear lever pin, but decided I have spent enough time on this today.)
The bag contains all the parts I removed. Now to clean up my work area, and maybe I will get a chance to get to the range tomorrow.
larryh1108
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The BHP is beautiful in stainless.....
Sistema1927
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A couple of notes on my work:
1. Getting the trigger pin out wasn't difficult. A quick tap with a brass punch to get it flush with the frame, followed by another tap on the BHSS tool to get it below the frame, and then a couple of taps with the right sized punch to remove it. Much easier than the surplus FN that I did most recently.
2. Magazine safety came right out, no problem getting the pin out. I leave this pin out once I have removed the mag safety instead of reinstalling it, maybe laziness, but it does serve as a visual reminder that the job is done.
3. I used the BHSS tool to remove and reinstall the firing pin stop. This is worth it's weight in gold, as you don't have the spring flying across the room.
4. I also used the BHSS 'Third Hand" tool to assist in removing the original fire control system. Another great tool, and much better than the clamp that I used to use in the past.
5. Installing the SFS wasn't too difficult, except that I had to align sear, SFS lever, and ejector a couple of times since I let the sear pin fall out while installing the hammer. If I ever do this again I will temporarily put a little piece of electrical tape on each side to keep it from falling out. Normally the hardest thing is getting that little spring up under the right side "cocking lever" (known as a safety to the rest of the world), but today it slid right up there without any difficulty. Even the left side pin for the "cocking lever" (safety) went right in and flush without difficulty.
6. I would guess that trigger pull is about 6 lbs. No creep or grittiness, and the reset is excellent, primarily due to the BHSS 2-coil trigger return spring. Trigger pull is probably reduced by 1.5 to 2 lbs. with the removal of the magazine safety.
7. Even empty magazines fall right out with the magazine safety removed. This gun shipped with a 13 round Mec-Gar and a 15 round Mec-Gar.
8. I didn't bugger anything up, and left no unsightly signs that I have been tinkering.
All in all a good morning's work, and excellent therapy.
1. Getting the trigger pin out wasn't difficult. A quick tap with a brass punch to get it flush with the frame, followed by another tap on the BHSS tool to get it below the frame, and then a couple of taps with the right sized punch to remove it. Much easier than the surplus FN that I did most recently.
2. Magazine safety came right out, no problem getting the pin out. I leave this pin out once I have removed the mag safety instead of reinstalling it, maybe laziness, but it does serve as a visual reminder that the job is done.
3. I used the BHSS tool to remove and reinstall the firing pin stop. This is worth it's weight in gold, as you don't have the spring flying across the room.
4. I also used the BHSS 'Third Hand" tool to assist in removing the original fire control system. Another great tool, and much better than the clamp that I used to use in the past.
5. Installing the SFS wasn't too difficult, except that I had to align sear, SFS lever, and ejector a couple of times since I let the sear pin fall out while installing the hammer. If I ever do this again I will temporarily put a little piece of electrical tape on each side to keep it from falling out. Normally the hardest thing is getting that little spring up under the right side "cocking lever" (known as a safety to the rest of the world), but today it slid right up there without any difficulty. Even the left side pin for the "cocking lever" (safety) went right in and flush without difficulty.
6. I would guess that trigger pull is about 6 lbs. No creep or grittiness, and the reset is excellent, primarily due to the BHSS 2-coil trigger return spring. Trigger pull is probably reduced by 1.5 to 2 lbs. with the removal of the magazine safety.
7. Even empty magazines fall right out with the magazine safety removed. This gun shipped with a 13 round Mec-Gar and a 15 round Mec-Gar.
8. I didn't bugger anything up, and left no unsightly signs that I have been tinkering.
All in all a good morning's work, and excellent therapy.
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I bought a Cylinder and Slide extractor and spring and put them into the pistol. The parts went right in with no issues. 100 additional rounds fired with perfect extraction.
I could have left the FN extractor in the TISAS but I wanted to put my Israeli surplus back together again. Plus I was curious to see if the C&S part would fit in the Regent.
I could have left the FN extractor in the TISAS but I wanted to put my Israeli surplus back together again. Plus I was curious to see if the C&S part would fit in the Regent.
I have been convinced to try one out. I'll pick it up next month since I bought 5 or 6 new to me handguns over the last month I'll have to put a couple bux down on it at the LGS. Not sure if I want the stainless model or not. Better figure it out before I get out of work today and stop by the LGS......
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I just put the C&S wide trigger in mine. The Tisas trigger pin, just like the sear pin, was oversized and caused problems with the new trigger to the point where it wouldn't reset, even with a 2-coil trigger return spring. Fortunately I had a new FN/Browning trigger pin, and ended up with a trigger that feels 1.5 - 2 lbs. lighter than before with a crisp reset.
Still waiting on my extractor. I communicated with the guys at BHSS, and they are waiting on extractors in order to meet the demand for upgrade kits. Seems like there has been a run on them.
That's OK, I am enjoying tinkering. When I get done, all that is going to remain of the original pistol will be slide, frame, sights, barrel (but that might get replaced), sear lever, trigger lever, magazine release, and magazine(s).
Cost effective? No way, but I am getting my money's worth in enjoyment. Tinkering with these things is also good therapy.
Still waiting on my extractor. I communicated with the guys at BHSS, and they are waiting on extractors in order to meet the demand for upgrade kits. Seems like there has been a run on them.
That's OK, I am enjoying tinkering. When I get done, all that is going to remain of the original pistol will be slide, frame, sights, barrel (but that might get replaced), sear lever, trigger lever, magazine release, and magazine(s).
Cost effective? No way, but I am getting my money's worth in enjoyment. Tinkering with these things is also good therapy.
Sistema1927
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Just received shipping information on my upgrade kit with extractor.
johnmcl
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Sistema, tinkering with any gun is good therapy. You spending time with a BHP cousin is noble work.
Sistema1927
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Here it is, all "tinkered up" and ready to go to the range. However, due to life that may not happen until Monday at the earliest.
And here what I removed to get there:
And here what I removed to get there:
JR24
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So, basically only the frame/slide is stock?
I'm glad someone else is continuing the BHP line, but it is sad to have to replace all the internals of a new gun to make it run.
Then again, it seems like a fun tinker project and if I didn't already have a perfectly serviceable MKIII I would be sorely tempted.
Looking forward to the range report.
Edit: oh, and barrel.
gc70
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Changing internal parts seems to be for the tinkering fun or peace of mind rather than being necessary to "make it run."
JR24
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I dunno, I've read a lot about the small parts breaking on these
Sistema1927
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The barrel might get replaced as well.
I did somewhat the same with an Israeli Surplus MkIII. Replaced all the springs and extractor. Also put the SFS in it. If I had not put the SFS in the Tisas I probably would have limited my tinkering to the items that BHSS found deficient: the extractor/spring/pin, firing pin stop, sear pin, and sear lever pin. But once I had it apart I went whole hog.
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Ran about 350 rounds through it this morning. Only one problem, a reload that was too long to fully chamber, and you can't fault the gun for that. Mixture of ball and hp ammo, 115, 124, 147. Other than the one bad round, everything ran flawlessly.
The Mec-Gar mags that came with the gun, as well as other Mec-Gar 15 rounders, all worked as expected. This gun has now graduated, and even though, as a heavy all steel gun, it will not get daily use, I have no problems carrying it when the situation allows, like the next BBQ.
The Mec-Gar mags that came with the gun, as well as other Mec-Gar 15 rounders, all worked as expected. This gun has now graduated, and even though, as a heavy all steel gun, it will not get daily use, I have no problems carrying it when the situation allows, like the next BBQ.
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Any updates?
LKCI has been replacing cracked extractors and firing pin stops as needed. And the guns imported these days should include updated parts from the factory.
So does anyone have a couple thousand rounds through a stock pistol--or a good amount of rounds on the stock extractor and plate?
LKCI has been replacing cracked extractors and firing pin stops as needed. And the guns imported these days should include updated parts from the factory.
So does anyone have a couple thousand rounds through a stock pistol--or a good amount of rounds on the stock extractor and plate?
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