NM governor "suspends" open & concealed carry of firearms in Albuquerque

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Poper said:
Can the governor in New Mexico be recalled?
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I am not sure. It would be easy to find by using Google though. What I do know for a fact is that our current Secretary of State is just as bad if not worse than Grisham and the recall petitions for other officials (Democrats, every one) which have to go through her have all wound up in her trash can for not meeting the needed this or that other thing to be valid. When evidence was show to prove that any did it was ignored.
 
Outlaw75 said:
She can be impeached and I think there have already been calls for that in the NM legislature.
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Governors don't get impeached because of bad decisions or their inability to correctly interpret the U.S. Constitution.

Governors get impeached because of gross financial improprieties or corruption that becomes too embarrassing for the party concerned. Although Blagojevich did try to sell Obama's Senate seat after the 2008 election...

This situation, regardless of how vocal the GOP minority in the NM legislature gets, is not gonna rise to the level of impeachment in the Dem controlled house and senate.

No matter how we here feel about the subject (and the good citizens of the state who support the 2A and RKBA), for the ruling party and the majority of voters in the state, Grisham's crap isn't gonna be regarded as "high crimes and misdemeanors" or the other common grounds for impeachment, willful neglect of duty, corruption in office, habitual drunkenness, incompetency, or any offense involving moral turpitude while in office. Even though we can argue that disregarding a state and federal constitution is willful neglect of duty, incompetence, etc., in the current social climate, nah, not gonna happen.

I'd love to be pleasantly surprised, though.
 
Legally she could declare martial law, governors can do that for civil unrest. Then the military, ie national guard takes control and lets the state and local cops off the hook.
 
Without qualified immunity , couldn't potentially every concealed carry holder , and every gun owner who open carry's in Bernalillo county sue her for up to 2 million ? Or would someone have to be accosted or murdered while being forcefully disarmed be necessary to be "wronged" by this action ? Her having to defend against hundreds to potentially thousands of individual lawsuits might send a message .
 
I decided to look up how she can be put out of office. Impeachment by the legislate only thanks to Big Bill Richardson's tenure as governor which also resulted in the law allowing agovernor to implement a state health crisis. If the calls for impeachment are from republicans only they will just be ignored like their input is when the legislature meets. It's going to take a lot of Democrat's calls to get anything moving. My guess the only thing is the lawsuit will happen and if she loses it will just a hand slap saying she has no power to do what she did. There are no consequences for these actions. She will remain governor until her term is up.
 
doubleh said:
I decided to look up how she can be put out of office. Impeachment by the legislate only thanks to Big Bill Richardson's tenure as governor which also resulted in the law allowing agovernor to implement a state health crisis. If the calls for impeachment are from republicans only they will just be ignored like their input is when the legislature meets. It's going to take a lot of Democrat's calls to get anything moving. My guess the only thing is the lawsuit will happen and if she loses it will just a hand slap saying she has no power to do what she did. There are no consequences for these actions. She will remain governor until her term is up.
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This. Unless there are consequences for actions, this type of thing will just keep happening.
 
Old Dog said:
Governors don't get impeached because of bad decisions or their inability to correctly interpret the U.S. Constitution.

Governors get impeached because of gross financial improprieties or corruption that becomes too embarrassing for the party concerned. Although Blagojevich did try to sell Obama's Senate seat after the 2008 election...

This situation, regardless of how vocal the GOP minority in the NM legislature gets, is not gonna rise to the level of impeachment in the Dem controlled house and senate.

No matter how we here feel about the subject (and the good citizens of the state who support the 2A and RKBA), for the ruling party and the majority of voters in the state, Grisham's crap isn't gonna be regarded as "high crimes and misdemeanors" or the other common grounds for impeachment, willful neglect of duty, corruption in office, habitual drunkenness, incompetency, or any offense involving moral turpitude while in office. Even though we can argue that disregarding a state and federal constitution is willful neglect of duty, incompetence, etc., in the current social climate, nah, not gonna happen.

I'd love to be pleasantly surprised, though.
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Some folks are calling to never mind impeachment, get her arrested. She has broken several laws by her actions.
 
A couple of very interesting points from the GOA filing:

1. Since all the local LE heads have stated they will not enforce the edict, the State Police have been directed to do so. Grisham claims they will “enforce the order … because they’re required to carry out executive orders .”

2. And these two paragraphs:

35. As incredible proof of these executive actions’ pretextual nature, the Governor even admitted that “she doesn’t expect criminals to follow the order.”13 And yet the Governor also knows that “[r]esponsible gun owners are certainly not our problem — have never been our problem,” because she said so herself.14​
36. Of course, the Governor’s paradoxical statements beg the question — if law-abiding gunowners are not the problem, and criminals carrying guns will not obey the PHO, then what is the purpose of the Governor’s actions? The answer is evident. The EO and PHO serve no purpose other than to implement a radical political agenda to punish law-abiding gun owners for exercising their enumerated rights to carry arms in public for self-defense.​
 
A few Democrats may be speaking up against this EO for being unconstitutional, but why? The NM Governor's action to disarm all the county citizens may be blatant and frankly honest, but the end result is no different than of those states that have classified everywhere outside one's own home as carry prohibited. Where is the Democrat opposition to those measures?
 
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Perhaps because she uttered the unutterable truth in public, that the Constitution is no more than a rag to wipe their feet on. It is still a bit too soon for that, as the vocal backlash shows, HOWEVER, the practical will be...will the State Police arrest anyone? Since the Hag In Chief says they HAVE to enforce her Imperial Edicts...will they, especially with the loss of qualified immunity? I think not.
 
I'm not surprised and don't care anymore. They figured out that they can play whack-a-mole by continously issuing legislation, rule changes, emergency actions, and executive orders, and it will take several years for them to be knocked down. Then they'll just do it again in a different de facto manner. They'll keep this up until they get into power and win the majority in SCOTUS which will be within the next 8 years. When that happens Republican state attempt simular tactics, a Democrat SCOTUS will knock them down ASAP.... It won't take 2 to 4+ years, or even a decade for a Democrat SCOTUS to take gun cases. Expect reinterpretation of what the 2nd Amendment and Canadian level gun control when, not if, they have power within the next 8 years.

Republicans and conservatives judges will do nothing. Republican voters will continue to vote antigun candidates like Reagan, Bush Sr and Jr, and Trump into office as well as progun by word of mouth (and not by actions), silver spoon, ivy league, never really gave two hoots about guns until it would further their careers to pretend to politician in the state legislature and in Congress.
 
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The drum beat against concealed carry goes on: https://apnews.com/article/michigan...ing_date_20230912&cid=db&source=ams&sourceid=

Note students and faculty were already banned. Now, pretty soon the only place you will be able to carry is on some billionaire's private yacht (hint!). Oh, the glory of Bruen and the beauty of the procedural majesty of the courts dealing with the challenges to our rights in real time. Thus, I lament, yet again to the annoyance of some lawyers.
 
Even Democrats and David Hogg are saying NM carry ban is unconstitutional - https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...w-mexicos-temporary-gun-ban-order/ar-AA1gzyJK

Rep. Ted Lieu (D-Calif.) wrote ... "... order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution ... No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution."​
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David Hogg ... wrote: "I support gun safety but there is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution."​
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[Supreme] court's ruling may jeopardize Lujan Grisham's executive order ... Jake Charles, a law professor at Pepperdine University in Malibu, California, who has tracked every federal court case citing Bruen wrote ... "Bruen made it real easy to dismiss laws like these ..."​
 
old lady new shooter said:
Some folks are calling to never mind impeachment, get her arrested. She has broken several laws by her actions.
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The state's attorney general does what she tells him to and she appoints the state police chief so I would say to forget about any chance of arrest.

I have to say the state police were nice here during Covid. They arrested no and just explained to business what could happen if they ignored her orders. Some did which really aroused her ire and one cafe amassed $50,000 in fines before throwing in the towel and closing and then filed suit on her. Never saw the results of that. Other business gave in after lesser fines. Many just shut their doors and walked away never to reopen.

Our sheriff was ordered to enforce her rules and he explained quite forcefully that he worked for the citizens of Lea county and not her. She took him to court to force him to. It made it all the way to the supreme court where she lost. She isn't smart, just arrogant and power mad. She got off on the wrong foot with almost all of the sheriffs in the state the day she took office. It is a tradition for all the sheriffs to gather in Santa Fe and welcome the new governor into the office. She told them they had to disarm before entering the capital building. Three did so. The others just turned around and left so there has been a lot of bad blood between the two positions since.
 
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