No Gun for Cop who Beat Woman

[madmike]

I agree with the safety issue, but did they know he was a cop (the current case)?

And if the survivor attitude is "just pretend it's not happening," then the entire culture is sick and must be corrected or destroyed. Rot never goes away by itself.

 

[cracked butt]

2. I'm a regular reader of http://secondcitycop.blogspot.com where you will regularly see other Chicago cops defend Abbate and claim that he SHOULDN'T be fired. Apparently, a certain percentage of his contemporaries believe that the Chicago Police Department would that much less for the absence of a man of Officer Abbate's unique qualities...

I took a quick look through that site, the 'certain percentage' appears to be >50%. The attitudes by some of the posters towards citizens and leagl immigrants are just astounding

 

[Deanimator]

I agree with the safety issue, but did they know he was a cop (the current case)?

Yes, some of them did know that Abbate was a cop. They were afraid of him and said so.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

My problem with the Lautenburg Amendment is not denying RKBA
to misdemeanor wife-beaters.
One, it is denying a civil right that formerly required a felony for denial.
Second, if the beatee were a stranger and it would be a felony
assault, the beater deserves a felony charge.

And blame Peter Graves for saving Chicago from the giant grasshoppers.

 

[Deanimator]

I took a quick look through that site, the 'certain percentage' appears to be >50%. The attitudes by some of the posters towards citizens and leagl immigrants are just astounding

What I find amusing is their incessant whining about local and national media outlets repeated replaying of the tape of the beating. I'll bet that condemnations by cops on that site of the showing of the video outnumber condemnations of the beating itself five to one.

But you have to remember, it is the OFFICIAL policy of the Chicago FOP lodge that the ONLY people who should be able to own or possess firearms after a conviction for domestic violence are police. There's a consistent attitude of entitlement and menace expressed by a very vocal segment of the Chicago PD. The reaction to this by the remaining portion of the Chicago PD has been stone silence. I have to infer acquiescence if not actual agreement therefrom.

 

[Deanimator]

My problem with the Lautenburg Amendment is not denying RKBA
to misdemeanor wife-beaters.
One, it is denying a civil right that formerly required a felony for denial.
Second, if the beatee were a stranger and it would be a felony
assault, the beater deserves a felony charge.

My objection is to the demand for different treatment. Disarm all wife-beaters or allow them all to have guns. It is the OFFICIAL position of the FOP lodge in Chicago that ONLY cops who batter their wives should be exempt from laws which ban wife-beaters from owning or possessing firearms. And it is their stated position that if we DON'T allow that, it'll make them even MORE angry and violent. Go to the NPR All Things Considered website and order the transcript.

And blame Peter Graves for saving Chicago from the giant grasshoppers.

Our only hope lies in recombinant DNA research...

 

[Zoogster]

Earlier I was playing devil's advocate a little bit to insure the side nobody was taking was heard.

However in regards to Lautenburg the problem is that it is not often so clear cut. A wife out of control hitting or slapping her husband who is restrained by her husband to keep her from doing further damage (and say he has her wrists and she is struggling, that is likely to leave bruises) would make them both guilty and charged with domestic violence when the police arrived. Especialy if she is lying because upset with him for cheating, or they are going through a divorce/custody battle, or some other serious thing where she is just looking for a way to punish or gain leverage in court (often advised to do exactly that by lawyers.) I knew a woman that inflicted injuries to herself to gain leverage in a civil case against a neighbor. I can easily see the same in a domestic situation, especialy if it involved custody of children.

The guy that gets drunk and beats his wife is one thing. However the flip side is the guy that lets his wife beat on him won't have any future respect or authority in the home by either the wife or his kids (and the wife may not care about stupid things like firearms or thier ownership and in fact rather see them gone, happily having them both charged, after all it is only a minor offense if you don't care about firearms). It also not only applies to spouses, but domestic violence involves family. That includes fights between brothers (many brothers have had a fist fight at some point in thier lives) sisters, father and son, stepfather/son etc. If both were fighting and police arrive, at least one, and likely both will be taken and charged with a permanent rights altering offense. In fact it is mandatory in many states and not up to the decision of either party to press charges. All that for something they may not even serve any time over. For something that may not have resulted in more than injured egos or a swollen lip. The same offense that would be a misdemeanor with a friend or total stranger, has the consequences of a felony with a family member. Where it is up to parties involved to press charges with a friend or stranger, but mandatory if it involves a family member. What happened to the "shall not be infringed" part that showed it was deemed one of the more important rights?

So I have never been subject to Lautenburg, but you or I would be a fool to think that just because we are not "wife beaters" we may never be subjected to the right altering effects of it.

 

[Cellar Dweller]

What happens to bystanders

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_083134452.html

The attack allegedly occurred at the Jefferson Tap and Grille, at 325 N. Jefferson St., just before closing at 2 a.m. last December, Saltzberg said. When other bar patrons called 911, uniformed police officers came to the scene, but left after being waved off by the officers who allegedly attacked the patrons, she said.

“There's not just six officers involved,” Saltzberg added. “There are six officers who beat my clients. There's an additional nine officers who responded to the scene and went away. We want the names of all of them.”

The event started when ONE cop attacked ONE guy, then escalated into a 6-on-4 (or rather, 6 stomping 4).

 

[Deanimator]

The event started when ONE cop attacked ONE guy, then escalated into a 6-on-4 (or rather, 6 stomping 4).

Recall my previous reference to Chicago police engaged in criminal acts waving responding cops off with their badges. This is the incident to which I referred.

Strangely, the video of this criminal attack by Chicago cops has not yet been released. Of course the release of the Weems shooting tape took YEARS if I'm not mistaken.

 

[madmike]

Cellar: that happened in Indy, too--drunk off duty white cop beat a black man, then pulled a gun and badge on another black man who tried to help and tried to arrest him.

There was enough outrage that the Chief was replaced and the officers in question dismissed. For all I know, they work in Shicago now.

Sadly, Indy is slipping that way again.

Though it's done some wonderful things at times, too. Two riots got broken up through excellent police planning and management with no hassle.

 

[Deanimator]

Though it's done some wonderful things at times, too. Two riots got broken up through excellent police planning and management with no hassle.

Nobody's ever going to mistake the Cleveland Police Department for Scotland Yard, but next to the Chicago PD, they're the incorruptible robot law enforcers from The Day the Earth Stood Still.

Most of their shootings seem justified, despite some nonsensical criticisms by local "activists". (Hint: Jump out of a closet waving a knife at cops serviing an arrest warrant and you just MIGHT get shot.) They've got a history of corruption, but NOT home invasions and burglaries. A couple of them (one a White supremacist) started a racially motivated bar fight. They were prosecuted (one convicted of a midemeanor, the other acquitted in curious circumstances) and then fired. The FOP is of course backing them to the hilt.

After a CCW holder shot and killed a fifteen year old armed robber, they volunteered to protect the CCW holder's home after it was vandalized by friends of the deceased buffoon.

It's no Swiss Guard, but I'll take the Cleveland PD to the Chicago PD any day of the week. In most instances you don't have to worry about whether they'll arrest your assailant, give your assailant a pass, or whether they'll BE your assailant.

As for the Rocky River PD where I live, I've got no complaints at all apart from a certain measure of gullibility when dealing with a particular total sociopath. But they eventually learned.

 

[jselvy]

Next time somebody brings up the Us vs. Them attitude with Law Enforcement the only appropriate comeback is "Abbate still free?"
Chicago PD should be in public mourning. Abbate himself should be hanged in Richard J. Daley Plaza. But he will go free, get promoted and so forth.

Jefferson

 

[Deanimator]

Next time somebody brings up the Us vs. Them attitude with Law Enforcement the only appropriate comeback is "Abbate still free?"

Nah, ask "Is WEEMS still free?"

Abbate may be a drunken, sniveling coward who hits women, but at least he didn't KILL Karolina Obrycka.

BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, Weems's killing of Pleasance was "NOT JUSTIFIED". He got PROMOTED...

 

[jselvy]

I've come to the conclusion that there are NO "good" cops in Chicago. If there were I, in Scotland, would have been able to hear the almighty clang of their badges hitting the table as they left the department permanently in disgust. I cannot help but draw the conclusion that since those who claim to be "good" cops have not voted with their feet that they support these actions of both their fellow officers and their superiors/unions.

Jefferson

 

[Deanimator]

've come to the conclusion that there are NO "good" cops in Chicago. If there were I, in Scotland, would have been able to hear the almighty clang of their badges hitting the table as they left the department permanently in disgust.

Basically, the culture of the Chicago Police Department is the "no snitching" culture superimposed over that of an alleged law enforcement agency.

If you look closely at all of the most disturbing scandals involving the Chicago Police Department, you will find an absolutely consistent pattern of attempts to cover them up, to conceal important evidence, and to render favoritism to the perpetrators. Witness intimidation is also an element.

What's needed is a broad federal investigation of the Chicago Police Department, and the city government in general. Why that hasn't happened is anybody's guess.

 

[mp510]

For a misdemeanor?

I don't know about IL, but in CT we have a laundry list of misdomeanors that make you a prohibited person. One of which is Assault 3.