NRA: Chris Cox Resigns

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mcb said:
Those are all the reason the makes the betrayal of trust by Wayne LaPierre and his cronies that much more bitter and disheartening. I desperately want my money to go to the next Heller vs DC case NOT to fund a single day shopping binge by WLP that expended more MEMBER DONATED money than my truck is worth. We are not talking about a small liberty taken by the leadership we are talking about years of corruption and mishandling of hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars of MEMBER DONATED money.

This is a betrayal has no doubt set the larger pro-2A movement back both monetarily and legally. This setback will be with us for years but continuing to give money to the NRA is not going to make it better and might make it worst.
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and how would it make it worse. I am sure you realize most of the donations go for good causes or are you a fan of the Kool-aid ?
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
"It is unlawful for them to legislate away these rights. Unless they repeal the 2nd, their infringements are unlawful."

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What this means is that EVEN IF the Second Amendment were to be abolished, the Right to Keep and Bear Arms would STILL EXIST.
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I understand that and my point was that the infringements would be lawful. Rights cannot be infringed if they didn't exist. But if the 2nd were repealed, bans would be lawful. It would be an unrighteous law, but it would be the law. More to your point, if we have to pay the NRA for our rights, they are not rights at all. As long as we're paying the NRA for them, the anti's will perceive them as a privilege we're paying for. They will not be recognized as rights until we stop paying for them.

I do not agree that civil war is the only alternative to paying pull-peddlers for people's rights. There is a long record of the recognition of civil rights being famously won through non-violence.
 
SharpDog said:
and how would it make it worse. I am sure you realize most of the donations go for good causes or are you a fan of the Kool-aid ?
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Are you saying all the leaked documents showing money being wasted on extravagant spending or funneled to cronies is faked or somehow false?

I don't care if it was 90% of my donation or only 5% of my donations that they wantonly wasted I will not give my money to an organization that has this little respect for it members; members that donate their hard earned money to them with the understanding it will be spent wisely to support the 2A. They have betrayed my/our trust. My trust is relatively easily won but once betrayed will be much MUCH harder to re-win.

I am not saying I will never again give money to the NRA but I am saying that I must see real and measurable change with a heighten level of accountability to ensure those changes are real and will not backslide before I will give them any more money. We desperately need an organization like the NRA but the current NRA has violated a trust and now we will see if it can repair that trust before another smaller but more trustworthy pro-2A group can take their place.
 
mcb said:
Are you saying all the leaked documents showing money being wasted on extravagant spending or funneled to cronies is faked or somehow false?

I don't care if it was 90% of my donation or only 5% of my donations that they wantonly wasted I will not give my money to an organization that has this little respect for it members; members that donate their hard earned money to them with the understanding it will be spent wisely to support the 2A. They have betrayed my/our trust. My trust is relatively easily won but once betrayed will be much MUCH harder to re-win.

I am not saying I will never again give money to the NRA but I am saying that I must see real and measurable change with a heighten level of accountability to ensure those changes are real and will not backslide before I will give them any more money. We desperately need an organization like the NRA but the current NRA has violated a trust and now we will see if it can repair that trust before another smaller but more trustworthy pro-2A group can take their place.
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so let's just say he bought 50 $20,000 suits and has 10 mistresses at $4500 a month, add in a $1 million salary and that's about $2.5 million. That's FAR FAR less than 10 % of their revenues. Want some more Kool-aid ?
 
SharpDog said:
so let's just say he bought 50 $20,000 suits and has 10 mistresses at $4500 a month, add in a $1 million salary and that's about $2.5 million. That's FAR FAR less than 10 % of their revenues. Want some more Kool-aid ?
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Like I said earlier it does not matter if it's 95% 5% or even just 0.1% of my donations, it is about respect for the membership and honoring the trust the membership put in you. We the members gave the NRA our money with the belief it would be used to promote and protect the 2A and not wasted on extravagant shopping trips and lining the pockets of WLP, the executive staff, and their cronies.

Any organization like the NRA is gong to have expenses that are not directly related to the core focus of the group. Most people understand a small percentage of a donation has to go to administrative expense and such but that is not what is happening here. The NRA leadership is taking percentage (small as it might be) of our donations and using it to fuel the greed and excess of a select few at the top of the NRA. That is an intolerable break of trust IMHO and thus I will not be party to it.

If you are comfortable knowing that some percentage of your donation will be use in such a self-centered and wasteful manner then by all means feel free to do with your money as you will. For myself I will find a new pro-2A group that I believe with not take such liberties with my donations. And after being burned by the NRA I will probably be a bit more diligent in my selection process.
 
SharpDog said:
How about some facts and figures instead of just tossing around fiction (these are from the 2018 mid-terms):
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We need to see more granularity in those NRA expenditure statistics. For example, the catchall categories of "lobbying" and "outside spending" probably include lots of payments to Ackerman-McQueen, which then, through devious means, went right back into the pockets of LaPierre & co. There is a total lack of transparency here.
 
AlexanderA said:
We need to see more granularity in those NRA expenditure statistics. For example, the catchall categories of "lobbying" and "outside spending" probably include lots of payments to Ackerman-McQueen, which then, through devious means, went right back into the pockets of LaPierre & co. There is a total lack of transparency here.
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Good idea, please post when you find the info :)
 
SharpDog said:
So, you just flat out said that Wayne is receiving 100% of the NRA's contributions, care to rethink that ?

That is the kind of hyperbole that un-serious people use to further their arguments. If that were anywhere close to true Wayne would actually be in jail.
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He won't be in jail if nobody can actually see where the money goes.
 
The enemy diversion you're ignoring is their main attack. There are soldiers that will sit back and complain about their leader, and then there are those that will ignore the Chatter, and be the first out of the Foxhole to fight. Fight are just get out of the way.
 
GEM said:
The NRA doesn't have an official vote for executive VP or a mechanism for a vote of no confidence. Perhaps the supporters of the current cadre should ask for such to be part of the by-laws. See what they say.
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Is there a mechanism for proposing a change to the bylaws, with said proposal to be voted on by all the members? Or at least members of sufficient longevity to be allowed to vote for the board?
 
AlexanderA said:
The NRA itself should be posting that kind of information, for the benefit of its members. But you'll never see that happen under LaPierre's watch. What we have here is a complete failure of fiduciary duty.
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Yet another unsubstantiated accusation. I seem to be the only one here posting actual facts. Please at least do a search for some facts to substantiate your position.
 
Sometimes, it is necessary to take a seat back and think about how the enemy has used wit and cunning to try defeat us. They have successfully formed a "Wedge Issue" to bring down the NRA. And that Wedge Issue is Wayne L. While everyone is focused on him, they are advancing right up the middle. And they are trying hard to break the back of the Organization they hate so dearly, the NRA.
The NRA is the Stronghold the Fortress,. Break them down and the rest will crumble, .
 
old lady new shooter said:
I'm a former tax accountant. An IRS audit does NOT reveal the kind of information everyone here is asking about. If the entity has an invoice from the entity they paid, and the invoice states a reasonable business purpose, unless there is common ownership IRS accepts it.
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Well then, it sounds like you have the necessary knowledge to help uncover some facts, happy Googling, please post your results :)
 
SharpDog said:
Well then, it sounds like you have the necessary knowledge to help uncover some facts, happy Googling, please post your results :)
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Googling ain't gonna find anything, I promise you the cash disbursements journal isn't online anywhere. Even an actual audit doesn't check every single transaction, they take a sample.
 
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