NRA: Chris Cox Resigns

[old lady new shooter]

NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION SAYS IRS IS LAUNCHING A MAJOR AUDIT:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1995-06-05-9506050152-story.html

There are other audits as well:

Audit shows NRA in the red for second straight year: report:
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brie...shows-nra-in-the-red-for-second-straight-year

Here is the money quote from the Hill article:

the NRA has significantly slowed its election spending so far in 2018, reporting just $2.7 million spent. At this point in the 2016 presidential election cycle, the group had spent $19.2 million.

 

[old lady new shooter]

well no data = no data. I don't see how that could substantiate any accusations

That's what I said to begin with, he won't go to jail as long as nobody can find the actual data.

 

[SharpDog]

That's what I said to begin with, he won't go to jail as long as nobody can find the actual data.

Because YOU cannot find the data does not mean the data will not be found. Did you read my post that there will be a major IRS audit? I'm also sure there have been plenty of other IRS audits.

 

[BSA1]

Inertia. People remember the NRA of old, and are just continuing to give out of habit. And also, there's the Abused Spouse Syndrome. "He beats me because he loves me." Such people refuse to leave their abuser.

So am I correct that you want the NRA stay out the fight to block the anti-gun laws that are being proposed in Virginia?

 

[SharpDog]

Here is the money quote from the Hill article:

the NRA has significantly slowed its election spending so far in 2018, reporting just $2.7 million spent. At this point in the 2016 presidential election cycle, the group had spent $19.2 million.

Please go back and read post #61

 

[silicosys4]

After doing some googling, Heres what I found.

From 2012 to 2016, the most recent numbers available, Washington is the state that has been the biggest recipient of NRA campaign contributions in efforts to elect pro 2A officials, with $203,000 in contributions during that time period.

An analysis by the newspaper showed that candidate contributions totaling about $203,000 helped the campaigns for both the Washington state House and Senate between 2012 and 2016, the most recent election year for which reliable data is available from the National Institute of Money in State Politics, a nonpartisan organization that compiles campaign-finance information. Texas was a distant second over that period with $95,750, according to the newspaper's analysis.

https://www.kxly.com/news/report-nr...-in-washington-than-any-other-state/712974469

For that amount of money spent, Washington state has recently seen all semi-automatic rifles including .22lr semi auto rifles heavily restricted, mandatory universal background checks for all private sales implemented statewide, safe storage laws that criminalize victims of firearm thefts, red flag laws, and will see an upcoming magazine capacity restriction bill that will no doubt pass into law.

Wayne Lapierre's spending habits account for more than $274,000 in clothing FROM ONE RETAILER ALONE, another $267,000 in travel expenses.

https://www.thetrace.org/rounds/leaked-nra-documents-wayne-lapierre-lavish-spending/

Wayne Lapierre has spend almost 3x on personal expenses than the NRA has spent in Washington state in 4 years, its biggest recipient of NRA campaign contributions...And Washingtonians have seen no positive results. None. I remember seeing zero NRA presence or advertisements during the push for all this massive new gun control legislature that Washington has seen recently implemented.

I won't be spending another dime on the NRA until their priorities more closely align with mine and reflect a focus on the issues that I intend my contributions to go towards.

 

[old lady new shooter]

Because YOU cannot find the data does not mean the data will not be found. Did you read my post that there will be a major IRS audit? I'm also sure there have been plenty of other IRS audits.

Again, an IRS audit is not going to find anything. For one thing, agents do not get paid for finding problems, or for how much additional taxes they can assess, they get paid for closing cases. So if the accountant representing the NRA presents plausible explanations for whatever they are looking at, they will accept them.

 

[alsaqr]

If you are comfortable knowing that some percentage of your donation will be use in such a self-centered and wasteful manner then by all means feel free to do with your money as you will.

Exactly!!!!!

For decades WLP had only to scream "the sky is falling on the NRA, please send money"; and the donations rolled in. That has changed dramatically. NRA members have met the enemy and he is fleecing you.

The best indication of future actions by a manager is his past performance. WLP took the NRA well outside its traditional charter, the NRA is a subsidiary of the RNC. Few years ago i ceased sending money to the NRA. i also ruled out a bequeath.

NRA members who think WLP is doing a bang up job, keep sending money. Don't expect me to follow your example.

 

[AlexanderA]

So am I correct that you want the NRA stay out the fight to block the anti-gun laws that are being proposed in Virginia?

Where do you get that from anything I wrote?

Actually, the VCDL is taking the lead on this. The NRA, at best, is playing a supporting role. (I personally wouldn't trust my gun rights to their mismanagement.)

 

[mcb]

Yet another unsubstantiated accusation. I seem to be the only one here posting actual facts. Please at least do a search for some facts to substantiate your position.

I asked before, I will ask again, are you saying that the allegation and leaked documents showing wanton waste and channeling of members money by the NRA leadership is not real and factual?

 

[Mowgli Terry]

I need to know the answer to some of these questions. What does demanding competent management and transparency have to do with tearing the NRA down? How does member participation tear the NRA down? How does demanding audit and accountability destroy the NRA. Is it unreasonable to ask for the Association to move toward the center to include more supporting members rather than less. Stop preaching to the choir and pay attention to the anti-gun violence attitudes in the country.

 

[SharpDog]

I asked before, I will ask again, are you saying that the allegation and leaked documents showing wanton waste and channeling of members money by the NRA leadership is not real and factual?

Annd no, I will answer again. I think the allegations of abuse are factual and if you had read any of several dozen posts I've made I'm not in favor of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

 

[Mowgli Terry]

There is no effective auditing mechanism.

With the current Clique in place this is true. However, it would be different with transparency and managers who could function to mend a broken corrupt system. Name the problems and take action. I'd bet that there was a ring of people involved that profited covering for Wayne. Wait for the excitement when one of the in group who knows where the bodies are buried "flips." Then we may ask about giving money to whom?

Would it be possible to put together a poll to find where members fall on the issue of firing and reform or the alternative. I'd bet the overwhelming response would be firing and reform. People like me would also vote for prosecution . Designer orange jump suits!

 

[mcb]

Annd no, I will answer again. I think the allegations of abuse are factual and if you had read any of several dozen posts I've made I'm not in favor of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

Then if the abuse of members' money by WLP and the leadership is true my only recourse is to not give them any more of my money to be abuse. I cannot directly effect changes in any other way. The board of directors throughout this scandal has proven to be a rubber stamp for WLP. In addition the nomination process for new board members far to control by WLP and executive staff to make meaningful changes.

My only effective input to the system is to withhold my money and continue to tell them why I am withholding my money.

 

[SharpDog]

Then if the abuse of members' money by WLP and the leadership is true my only recourse is to not give them any more of my money to be abuse. I cannot directly effect changes in any other way. The board of directors throughout this scandal has proven to be a rubber stamp for WLP. In addition the nomination process for new board members far to control by WLP and executive staff to make meaningful changes.

My only effective input to the system is to withhold my money and continue to tell them why I am withholding my money.

Well, I hope you will at least contribute to other RKBA organizations and I know the youth of America will miss your support.

 

[mcb]

Well, I hope you will at least contribute to other RKBA organizations and I know the youth of America will miss your support.

Most certainly I will continue to support other RKBA organizations and as usually continue to participate in various 2A activities while hoping the NRA can right its ways and once again be a productive and effective leader in the 2A fight.

 

[BSA1]

Where do you get that from anything I wrote?

Actually, the VCDL is taking the lead on this. The NRA, at best, is playing a supporting role. (I personally wouldn't trust my gun rights to their mismanagement.)

You have made in clear in your posts in other threads of your desire for the NRA to fold up. Now that the anti-2A are creating a serious threat to the gun rights of millions of Virginians just wonder if you are supporting them. After all it is you have said that the Democratic candidates running for President do not intend to push for more gun restrictions if they are elected.

You don’t need to answer.

 

[DustyGmt]

I think alot of people (not all) just write a check on a good faith basis and just assume that the NRA vehemently defends all gun rights. I hear some people refer to the "NRA" and its members like they are some hard edge right wing extremists.
The truth is they have gone soft. They have alot of political weight but they are too willing to compromise and dont hold the line when they should. I really liked heston's "from my cold dead fingers" mantra because it communicated a certain message, the right message, but every year it got a lil quieter, a lil more politically correct, softer, weaker.

I want somebody at the helm that's not afraid to say when asked "how many more children have to die before you give up your precious rtkba" and reply "all of them". Somebody that doesnt play into the falsehood that all this proposed legislation is for "safety" or "for the sake of the kids" or "to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and mental health risks".

I think the NRA would thrive if they were uncompromising and more forceful and didn't only come out of their hidey holes whenever tragedy strikes our nation.

It's unfortunate but I think ignorant people on the left lump the NRA in with the KKK. Like we are a bunch of " racist right wing, cheap knock off multi cam BDU wearing, AR slung over the shoulder standing in front of wal mart, 2A auditing" crud nozzles.

 

[SharpDog]

You have made in clear in your posts in other threads of your desire for the NRA to fold up. Now that the anti-2A are creating a serious threat to the gun rights of millions of Virginians just wonder if you are supporting them. After all it is you have said that the Democratic candidates running for President do not intend to push for more gun restrictions if they are elected.

You don’t need to answer.

IMHO I think there are some here that are actually on 'the other side' and some others that are just not on the side of the prevailing powers. In support of their political agendas, they are set on dismantling the NRA.

 

[DustyGmt]

I have been giving my money to the NRA for a long time and when vermont just passed it new "liberal gun law package" the NRA had nothing to do with it. They didn't as far as I could find say one single word about it. We have had no gun laws for the last 200+ years and one day a kid made a threat to a school and a few months later we had very strict gun control.

I think the NRA of old would have at least put a spotlight on Phil Scott and what he was trying to do and the asinine reason why and it might have encouraged more people to turn up and vote against him. But they didn't.

 

[Mullo98]

As I said before. I personally don’t want my money that’s supposed to be going towards fighting anti’s, building ranges, and/or supporting those in legal troubles because they used the 2nd to protect them selfs. But if some of that money is going towards someone’s personal wallet; then I’m not comfortable with donating towards them. If they are willing to dip in donations, then they are willing to take a check to say “ we don’t need this “ or “ this hill ain’t worth dying on”. The best way to make vote is with ya money. A business is seeing people aren’t buying because of something they’re doing. Then the are quick to change their tune. In the end, I’ll admit the NRA have some pull name wise. But it wouldn’t be any good if people think they are a joke. And that’s what the NRA is, or shaping up to be.

 

[SharpDog]

 

[hps1]

The ACLJ does good work protecting the Constitution, maybe we could get them to include the 2nd Amendment in their portfolio.

The Second Amendment: Three Key Principles
By David French
6 yrs. ago

As the gun control debate rages, at the ACLJ we’re increasingly asked to comment on the constitutionality of gun regulations. As the Supreme Court made clear in District of Columbia v. Heller, the right to “keep and bear arms” protected by the Second Amendment is an individual right, unconnected with service in a militia (the ACLJ filed an amicus brief in the case – in support of the individual right)...........

Read more:
https://aclj.org/us-constitution/second-amendment-three-key-principles

An internal audit is currently underway to find any and all irregularities within NRA and corrections being made if found. You can rest assured that compliance with all IRS regulations is carefully monitored by both NRA and IRS.

NRA is not perfect, nor is it the only organization fighting for our 2A rights. It is , however, the oldest, largest and is the most feared by politicians who would destroy the 2A if they could. As such is in the sights of all those enemies of the 2nd Amendment.


There are Approximately 79 million US citizens who own guns (Or, 25% of the 316 million population of this country.)

In other words, 5.2 million NRA members represent only 6% of the 79 million gun owners in America and are carrying the majority of the load protecting the 2A for the rest (With the help of those members of GOA, SAF, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, to name a few, and the various state R&P associations, of course).

Brings to mind Paul Harvey's old saw, "It takes more to pull the wagon than can ride on it.", doesn't it?

Our 2A rights will be under even heavier assault as the 2020 elections approach making active support of pro-gun groups and politicians all the more important.

Just sayin',
hps

 

[Mullo98]

Sadly they aren’t many pro gun politicians it seems.

 

[AlexanderA]

Now that the anti-2A are creating a serious threat to the gun rights of millions of Virginians just wonder if you are supporting them. After all it is you have said that the Democratic candidates running for President do not intend to push for more gun restrictions if they are elected.

Northam is an antigun nut case. I didn't vote for him.