Obligation to Disclose That You Carry When at Someone's House

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Uh, cassandrasdaddy, most people for whom guns aren't the central part of who they are just don't give much thought to carrying. If they habitually carry, then they do. It wouldn't occur to them to ask.

Like I said, this reflects a childish view of firearms. If carrying makes you all giddy, nervous, or sexually aroused, by all means, don't carry in someone's house.

If carrying concealed is as habitual as carrying a key ring and a wallet, you are unlikely to think about it much, and certainly not when passing through every doorway.
 
I don't have any friends that are too stupid as to not carry. They expect the same good sense out of me. I've got your back and you've got mine. I carry everywhere the law allows.......and everywhere else needed.
 
I agree with SSN vet too, but I have carried in houses where I know the folks are anti-gun. I did not do this to be rude, or to prove a point I just happened to have the gun with me. I am pretty sure many of the establishments I go to are anti-gun too, but I still carry concealed.

I have had anti-gun family ask me if I am "packing" and I just laugh and say maybe.... they laugh back and leave me be.

If they forced the issue, I would say yes and I, or no I am not and if I were I would gladly leave to secure the gun in my car and probably would change my carry habits if I knew I were going there on any other given day. Otherwise, if I happen to carry... I carry everywhere I go.
 
The way I see it is that there are two situations
First, there is no indication (be it verbal, sign, etc) that guns are not allowed or need to be disclosed.
In this case, I would say that for the most part, there is no reason to tell the host. Having said that, I do believe that there are exceptions which need to be addressed on a case by case basis. For example, if the household has small children (anyone who has small children knows that a concealed weapon can go from concealed to open in a blink of an eye). Or say if I was going over for a pool party where there would be a need to disarm myself (the gun has left my possession and therefore I cannot guarantee its safe and proper use).

The second situation is where the homeowner has directly conveyed their wish that no guns be brought into their house (this is more than just knowing they are anti-gun) . In this case, absolutely and without question, I would not bring a gun in, concealed or not. This can be implemented in two ways; leave the gun in my car/home, or not go to that person’s house. Pretty simple. Alluding to SSN Vet’s very pertinent comment, “…guns are not the central, defining element of who I am”, the latter solution would rarely come into play. If on the off chance (yes, I live in a safe area and associate with safe people who also live in safe areas) I do not feel comfortable going to that person’s house without protection, I will make that clear to the person and let them compromise their convictions, not me.

I am always astonished at the mentality of “If its concealed, they won't know unless you tell them” as an excuse for not abiding by someone’s rules. This attitude is something I’d expect from a child who was told they can’t have any cookies before dinner, but ate them anyways when no one was looking because “nobody saw me do it, so the rule doesn’t apply.” Would anyone here accept this behavior from their child? No, and I definitely wouldn’t accept it from an “adult”. If someone tells you “Don’t bring a gun into my house” and you do it anyways, you are rude, immature, and a coward. Again, this isn’t about why someone doesn’t want a gun in their house or if their reasons make sense or not, it is about RESPECT. Respecting the wishes of another individual who has just as much right to hate guns and control his/her household as you do to carry a gun and not go to that person’s house.
 
Here in Louisiana, if you have a CHP, you MUST ask the homeowners permission. I did and had no objections even from some relatives I know to be Liberal and anti-gun. I don't know if it is because they trust me or were afraid to say no. Since then it hasn't come up and it remains a non-issue with us.
 
Well considering the fact that their homeowners insurance will get sued in the case of an accident. I fiind it extremely selfish and rude not to mention it. If I don't know you that well and don't know your safety conscious or training. Uh uh I don't want you carrying in my house. Otoh if I do know you well enough to know you're carrying without having to ask. You're ok in my book.
 
Well considering the fact that their homeowners insurance will get sued in the case of an accident. I fiind it extremely selfish and rude not to mention it. If I don't know you that well and don't know your safety conscious or training. Uh uh I don't want you carrying in my house. Otoh if I do know you well enough to know you're carrying without having to ask. You're ok in my book.
 
Well considering the fact that their homeowners insurance will get sued in the case of an accident. I fiind it extremely selfish and rude not to mention it. If I don't know you that well and don't know your safety conscious or training. Uh uh I don't want you carrying in my house. Otoh if I do know you well enough to know you're carrying without having to ask. You're ok in my book.
 
Well considering the fact that their homeowners insurance will get sued in the case of an accident. I fiind it extremely selfish and rude not to mention it. If I don't know you that well and don't know your safety conscious or training. Uh uh I don't want you carrying in my house. Otoh if I do know you well enough to know you're carrying without having to ask. You're ok in my book.
 
if you respect other's property rights you'll let them know. If I see a no guns sign on a store's doors, I don't ignore it. Property owners have rights and yours don't trump theirs.

My .02 anyway
 
My family and friends all know I carry and respect it. Actually my father is looking to get his permit soon, as are some of my friends, all of them know they can come to me at anytime for some good advice.
 
These sound like my relatives. For years they were scared of guns... Then my niece comes home from Basic Training talking about shooting.... They knew I like hunting and guns, but had no idea how much. Next Christmas I walk into the house and there is a .40 cal casing setting on the microwave. I casually mention that it looked like someone found a shell. My SIL says, "No, thats mine." She comes back a few minutes later with a very nice XD. I almost passed out! She said, new people in the white house, more crime in the area and she isn't going to be without.
Times, they do change... Give it some time.... You know the rules of their house. Leave it in the car if you are worried about printing. Other than that, it is NO ONES business.
 
There's absolutely no obligation to disclose. I never bring it up, and I don't hesitate to carry anywhere it is legal. Self defense is a basic human right, and those that seek to deny me my right to life are clearly not my friends.

That being said, I've had friends on many occasions, knowing how vocal I am about our 2nd Amendment rights, ask me if I'm carrying when in their homes. As a rule, I don't lie, and I'm horrible at dodging questions (I can't help but smile) so I don't even try. I just answer the question honestly. As I said - if they seek to deny me my basic human rights, they clearly are not my friends. It makes a great boolean test regarding whether or not a person values your life.
 
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If someone tells you “Don’t bring a gun into my house” and you do it anyways, you are rude, immature, and a coward. Again, this isn’t about why someone doesn’t want a gun in their house or if their reasons make sense or not, it is about RESPECT. Respecting the wishes of another individual who has just as much right to hate guns and control his/her household as you do to carry a gun and not go to that person’s house.

Very well said.

Have we all forgotten "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."?
 
my thoughts exactly. It's about respect for others. As others said, if you don't like it, exercise your rights by leaving or not entering. Their property rights trump your right to carry, but only on their property.
 
No
No
No

I assume there has been no talk on the topic beforehand.

If they have previously mentioned a rule against CC in their house, by all means comply. In my case, I would then not burden them with my presence.


CSD said:
of those who would carry in anothers home without or against their approval/knowledge, how many of you would get all butt hurt if they noticed and ordered you out? and didn't say please?

Not overly so. I think I'd be disappointed in them as defective humans and Americans.


brboyer said:
Once we, as gun owners, stop treating firearms differently than other personal property, the better off we will be.

Agreed, 100%. Too many folks in & out of the gun culture either anthropomorphize firearms or think they are magical in some way.

They are property, tools, not demon-possessed talismans of doom.

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For my own part, I'd think it much more rude and more likely to have consequences if you enter a person's home when you have a contagious disease. Cold, flu, whatever. When I have been in such a state, I do inform the home owner.

My CCW has roughly 0.0000000001% (round off to zero) chance to spontaneously fire off a round and only a slightly greater chance (round off to zero) that I would fiddle with it and so cause a ND.

OTOH, it is very easy to transmit bacteria & viruses.
 
I have one friend who routinely hosts "get togethers" of a bunch of us old high school friends and I stop by fairly often for one on one conversation. We've had the discussion one time, he knows if I'm walking, i'm carrying, and he's cool with my presence and my carrying in his home. In the event that we're having one of these parties, where adult beverages are generally present, it is my personal choice to leave it at home. He personally owns one revolver that was left to him by his father upon his passing. He showed it to me during this one conversation and held it like it was a brick. He has no clue regarding firearms, but understands that I do.

I trust my friends, and my friends trust me, otherwise they wouldn't be called a friend in my book.
 
I'm not sure I understand the thought process behind telling people that I am armed. It serves no purpose. I don't tell people I have my brain with me either.
 
Is it rude of me to go into their house while concealed carrying?

No.

Should I let them know if I am?

Only if they ask.

If someone was concealed carrying while in your house would you want to know?

Only if you were a criminal who was there to victimize me, in which case you'd never tell anyway until it was time for you to commit whatever criminal act you came there to commit.
 
Sledgehammer says one could get sued if there is an accident. How so? Would that be if the gun jumps out of concealment and starts to chase the kids around the house? I still don't understand this mindset. If that is the logic, that you owe complete status disclosures to every house you enter, then it follows that if you have a health or heart condition, you should not visit friends, as that might be your night.

I view being armed as being in a prepared state or condition. I wouldn't feel the need to tell a host that I have been trained in defensive tactics or studied judo if I'm headed over to eat pizza.

Maybe I just don't understand this one.
 
I have a few friends who nearly wet their pants at the thought of a black bb gun, and because of that, my pistol stays in a locked box in my vehicle out of simple respect to their wishes. That said, when they come to visit, they may or may not know I am carrying-I do not put it on display.
Their house, their rules.
My house, my rules.
 
There are only two places where I don't carry: places forbidden by law and my parents house. They don't like guns so I leave mine in the car as a courtesy. Most other times I'm in someone else's house, I maintain a don't ask, don't tell policy. If they know I'm carrying without prior knowledge I'm doing it wrong.
 
Leaving a weapon in a car is not smart. If you feel you need to clear things with people whose residences you visit, fine. But develop a smarter policy than leaving guns in cars. That is not a reasonable option.

Armed Bear said a smart thing. Those who carry concealed habitually rarely give it a thought. They do not clear everything when entering doorways. I carry for work, which may explain why I can't understand some of this thinking. I don't clear my armed status any more than I clear the color of my boxers. And Delmar, with all due respect, I don't have friends who nearly wet their pants at the thought of black bb guns. That kind of person is a nut case. I deal with them all day long. I'll be damned if I'm going to elect to spend time with them on my time off. Life is too short. Can you really let people like that make decisions about whether or not YOU should be ready to defend yourself? If they're that stupid, they probably are making a lot of other marginal decisions in their lives.
You said when they come to your house, it's your rules. Do you cover your furniture in case they get nervous and have an accident?

Nothing personal, Delmar. People like that just tick me off. Fear and opinion, based on no brains at all. Very common in today's America. And we wonder why we're in the political mess we're in.
 
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