Obligation to Disclose That You Carry When at Someone's House

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My house rules are actually pretty basic and I make all of them known. Take your shoes off and don't smoke in the house is about it. I have no problem, personally, with people being armed. I am almost always. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but my personal honor means more to me than a pistol does. I'd rather do without the pistol for a couple hours than dishonor myself and disrespect my host(ess). YMMV.
 
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but my personal honor means more to me than a pistol does.
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Given a scenario in which you need to use that pistol, you may reconsider (Unless you're the type who prefers death before dishonor; in which case I salute you).

That said, the two need not be mutually exclusive.
 
See, the odds of me needing that pistol inside the home of the people I know who don't want guns in their houses are quite small. Vanishingly so. If I sneak a gun into their home, though, I've dishonored myself right there whether I get caught or not. I will know that I behaved dishonestly with people who trusted me to follow their wishes about their home.
What about the trip, you say? That's why I secure the gun in the car before going in my host's house. Perhaps I just don't run with a crowd as exciting as some of you do. I've never been attacked while visiting people in rural and suburban PA. My friends and family aren't low-life, so they aren't in conflict with other low-life nor do they have low-life friends hanging around. I don't live in an urban combat zone, so I won't try to rationalize lying to my host by telling myself that my life hangs in the balance. It doesn't.
 
See, the odds of me needing that pistol inside the home of the people I know who don't want guns in their houses are quite small.
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The odds of any of us needing a pistol on any given day is also quite small. The odds of getting into a car accident on a given day is quite small. You still buckle up, don't you?

Let's say you get into a friend's car and he's removed the passenger side seat belt. Would you still ride in that car? How about if the seat belt is there, but he says you're not allowed to use it?
 
given a scenario in which you need to use that pistol
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In some situation where you're visiting friends at their home, and for whatever reason they've explained that they'd prefer guests be unarmed, the risk of a violent home invasion occurring are virtually zero. The risk of massively irritating your hosts is extreme if you decide to ignore their expressed wishes in this regard.

My inclination is to defer to the rights of the homeowner. If he or she wishes to enjoy their property as a firearm-free zone (and oh please just shaddap about how "the violent home invaders who choose this moment to strike do not care about..." blah blah blah. It's stupid the first time you said it, it only gets more vapid and stupid with repetition), then my denying them that preference by carrying on their property against their wishes is a really nasty, punk thing to do.

Like the guy above says, if you have an ounce of honor in your blood, you don't disrespect your friends like that. How long is the dinner party or barbecue or sushi fest going to be, anyway? Are we talking, what, an hour? Maybe 2?

OK. So for an hour of the day your gun was locked in the car. Yes, it was a major, life-threatening risk for you. At that exact hour the ninja assassination squad had you vulnerable and helpless. Life is tough, and does present moments of extreme danger. That's what makes it interesting.
 
Joe Demko, you wrote "My house rules are actually pretty basic and I make all of them known."

How do you make them known? Is there a sign outside the door? Do you go into a 5 minute speech laying out all of your "rules" the first time a new person enters your house? Is their a contract the person has to sign?

Do tell :)
 
1. I am a big believer in CC whenever legal.... (that includes your home).

2. No... I don't want you to CC in my home....this is specially true if I don't know you well.

3. Does this sound like a double standard? Yes.

4. Why the double standard? If you are a friend... I have spare weapons to arm you if needed. But I would rather that you don't CC in my home. That removes AD on your part 100%.

If I don't know you well... I want to have the tactical advantage.
 
General Geoff said:
The odds of any of us needing a pistol on any given day is also quite small. The odds of getting into a car accident on a given day is quite small. You still buckle up, don't you?

Let's say you get into a friend's car and he's removed the passenger side seat belt. Would you still ride in that car? How about if the seat belt is there, but he says you're not allowed to use it?
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This is not an accurate analogy. If the driver gets into an accident, having an unrestrained body bouncing around in the cabin can increase the damage to the car and the driver. If a blue moon comes around and a person is missing their firearm when it is needed, no increased harm to the owner or his property occurs.
 
Neverwinter said:
This is not an accurate analogy. If the driver gets into an accident, having an unrestrained body bouncing around in the cabin can increase the damage to the car and the driver. If a blue moon comes around and a person is missing their firearm when it is needed, no increased harm to the owner or his property occurs.
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Seriously? You do realize you are posting on a pro-gun forum, right? The bold part above sounds like it came from the Brady Campaign.
 
No, his comment makes perfect sense and is accurate. If a person wishes to have a gun-free home and that home is invaded, he's likely screwed. You being there without your gun doesn't make him any more scrod.
 
Some people are afraid of spiders. Some are afraid of snakes. Some are afraid of heights. And some are afraid of guns. That is what it comes down to.
 
I am not going to announce my carrying status to anyone, it's not their business IMO. Now, if I know my host would object then I'll either leave it or not go there - and if I were asked to leave or stow the handgun I would honor their request. I wouldn't lie about it, but unless they see it or ask me directly, they're not going to know.

A few years ago a gun club member stopped by the house to drop off something for me when I wasn't home (wife knew he was coming beforehand). Before he entered he announced to my wife that he was carrying, and she thought it very strange that he would announce it.
 
gentlemen, sometimes it is ok to not have your firearm with you, we all know anything is possible, but there are situations when it is not practical. Does anyone carry in the shower? In the swimming pool? If not, then why? What if, what if, what if???
 
smartshot said:
gentlemen, sometimes it is ok to not have your firearm with you, we all know anything is possible, but there are situations when it is not practical. Does anyone carry in the shower? In the swimming pool? If not, then why? What if, what if, what if???
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You're absolutely right. There are many times I do not carry.
However, the whole situation can be summarized in one simple statement: I am not comfortable around anybody who is not comfortable with me having the means to defend myself.
 
My house, My rules. I feel it'd be good manners to ask. Lets say I was terrified of..., lets say plush bunnies, and you brought a plush bunny over without asking me I would be rather upset. Just clear whatever you're bringin over with them.
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What about a concealed plush bunny?

You would never know it was there in the first place therefore how would it bother you?

I think its a matter of respect or the lack thereof that causes someone to disrespect another's home whether they're gun friendly or not. If you don't have express permission to carry in their home, you shouldn't do it no matter what. IF that makes you drop friends or family I guess that that's your personal decision. But I see it as very disrespectful to not ask permission.
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Do you leave your cellphone in the car? For wouldn't it be disrespectful to take a call or be interrupted while in delightful conversation?

Do you remove your shoes or inquire about your shoes?

etc.
 
IMO, this comes down to common courtesy and respect for your host. There are plenty of folks on here who would allow the host to cut off their right arm before leaving the gun in the car. For those, I would submit, there is also no way in hades you would befriend someone who is anti-CCW much less enter their home.

We do not need to set of rules posted for the OP. He KNOWS they do not want them there. I am sorry but it is their roof, their rules. Do we really need to be acting like weasels (forgive me the name here but this is what it feels like), insisting on specific posting, specific signs, or for the homeowner to go through a legal punch list before entering their home? Remember these folks ARE your friends. Can we not just respect their wishes OR simply refrain from entering their homes?

Don't get me wrong, I CCW in my home, almost everywhere I legally can. I would welcome my friends who CCW into my home without an issue. My children have been taught about gun safety and what not to do and know the severe repercussions that await any of them who act unsafely. An anti will not have taught their children in such a manner.

I have friends who are not anti but ARE nervous around guns because of a lack of experience. I am working on them with that and I am betting within a year they will be carrying as well. Until then, I refrain from carrying in their homes. Yes during the time I am unarmed I have a heightened risk, IMO though, the friendship is worth that risk and showing respect and consideration of my host is as well.

It is a personal choice for me and a matter of ethics. Not saying those who do not share my opinion are unethical but you simply do not play by the same rules as me.
 
Voimakas said:
My close friends and family know I carry. My close friends and family know if I am there, I am armed. You don't want a gun in the house, don't invite me. For casual acquaintances and customers : no I don't tell them or ask their permission. Concealed for a reason.
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This +2
 
Joe Demko said:
When they come in, I say "please take off your shoes." If they smoke, I say "let's go out on the porch and may I have one of your smokes?" Simple, huh?
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NO, it's not that simple. If they are concealed properly, you won't know they are packing. They won't know this is one of "your rules"...so then what? Do you throw them out claiming that they are breaking your, unknown to them, house rules? It must be such a scene.
 
I do not see where Joe said one of HIS rules are no guns in his house. He is saying he honors other peoples requests to not carry in THEIR homes... Maybe it is buried in one of the previous pages I do not care to read. If so, I apologize....
 
NavyLT said:
This is not an accurate analogy. If the driver gets into an accident, having an unrestrained body bouncing around in the cabin can increase the damage to the car and the driver. If a blue moon comes around and a person is missing their firearm when it is needed, no increased harm to the owner or his property occurs.
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Seriously? You do realize you are posting on a pro-gun forum, right? The bold part above sounds like it came from the Brady Campaign.
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Thank you for the compliment. :D

You do realize that my post was satire, right? What kind of selfish individual would be primarily motivated to encourage use of seatbelts in a car based on the personal damage rather than the safety of the passenger?

Do you leave your cellphone in the car? For wouldn't it be disrespectful to take a call or be interrupted while in delightful conversation?

Do you remove your shoes or inquire about your shoes?

etc.
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1. You can turn it to silent.
2. The tradition regarding shoes can be determined by looking at your host's feet or the presence of shoes at the front entrance.

There is no easy way to determine what the convention for the house is without asking unless the host happens to be OC.
 
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