Odd Feedback On The Ammo Shortage

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T'other day at Scheel's, a good-sized regional full spectrum sporting goods store, I found bricks of Winchester PowerPoint ammo at $34.95. So I did the wahoo dance & bought two. This isn't a lot different than P.O. pricing for this .22 ammo that's generally considered to be Winchester's premium hunting rimfire product. A couple of days ago I got a notification that Scheel's now had bricks of Federal American Eagle on the shelf. At $39.95!

Back in the day, before the present administration came into office, I can clearly recall seeing a pallet of the Am-Eagle on the floor of another large retailer in town priced at $8.99 a brick of 400. At that time Winchester P-P's were about $20.00 a brick I think, although not too sure of the brick price because I was buying it by the case. I do know I saw P-P's climb to right about that $35.00 figure before the drooling idiocy concerning .22 ammo in general started. I'm not sure what Am-Eagle was at the same time, but maybe $18.00?

So now I'm wondering just what's going on here? I don't think the retailer's playing games, at least I'd hope not. I also suppose that they're big enough to use several gun & ammo wholesalers too. But from past threads here, the general consensus has been that the intermediaries aren't taking advantage of the ammo crisis either. So has Federal/ATK decided to make hay while the sun shines? As I understand it, Winchester's got the most modern rimfire ammo plant in the U.S. at this time. They moved from Illinois to one of the gulf coast states & built brand-new maybe 5 to 8 years ago.

Anybody got some cogent thoughts as to what went on here?

900F
 
Cogent ideas? Not sure, but...

Beside the manufacturers' costs of material going up (including energy prices which The President TOLD you "would necessarily skyrocket") there is competition among limited resources to make ammo. And which one? Make .22 LR or .223!? What would you do?

You'd make the most of what more people want to satisfy your customers and make the most profit. Competition? I suspect import licenses are getting slow-tracked like conservative groups getting IRS recognition -- this due to the dearth of foreign manufactured ammo from my vantage point. There's less I see being sold now than before the Great Obama Run on Guns And Ammo II IMO.

".22 LR!? Yeah, we'll turn some out but it'll be only half as much volume as pre-run, we have to get double the usual price to bother, and it'll take twice as long to get. Sorry. O.K.? Great! How much do you want!?"

These are what's doing it. Too many dollars chasing too few goods that are competing for scarce resources to be manufactured and distributed.
 
Panic buying has caused a big jump in price. Wholesale cost has not risen. Refuse to pay stupid prices and cost will get back close to where it was a year ago.
 
Talk About Odd Feedback...

This oddity continues in the safe shooting sports community...

"I have an angry idea -- let's all stop buying ammo at the prices asked for ammo! That way we deny ourselves AND the supply will go down because demand will have declined too."

I hope no-one has to pay so much they feel they are being robbed. Then there are the people who just WANT lower prices and blame everyone else for their predicament of either not having, not easily finding, and/or not affording ammo.

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Don't laugh, but now in the last decade I believe we've watch the rise of REAL concerns of survivalists due to massive national and state debts, terrorism, war, oil and food shortages, nuclear disaster, and ecological/environmental disaster, and 'zombies.'

The .22LR has become incredibly popular with these survivalists - lightweight and affordable. A few years back you could stockpile thousands of rounds for a crisp Ben Franklin. I seem to recall 10 years ago a brick was $10, or less. Kicking myself for not stocking up. Never expected that the modest .22LR would be so high in demand.
 
A quick semi related question: All else being equal, does .22 ammo "keep" as well as centerfire?

Oh and forget P.O. prices. I was buying bricks af Am Eagle for $17 in early 2012!
-Dan
 
I bought bricks of Federal 550's at Walmart in MN for just over $20 about two months ago.

Does it Keep? I just shot a couple of boxes of Federal that I bought in the 1970's for 39¢/box. Everyone went bang just fine.
 
Don't laugh, but now in the last decade I believe we've watch the rise of REAL concerns of survivalists due to massive national and state debts, terrorism, war, oil and food shortages, nuclear disaster, and ecological/environmental disaster, and 'zombies.'

The .22LR has become incredibly popular with these survivalists - lightweight and affordable. A few years back you could stockpile thousands of rounds for a crisp Ben Franklin. I seem to recall 10 years ago a brick was $10, or less. Kicking myself for not stocking up. Never expected that the modest .22LR would be so high in demand.
Don't forget the advent of AR's in 22lr and the the old stogy 22rifle has now become a modern day tactical marvel. Todys 22 rifle sure isn't your fathers 22rifle or grandpa's for that matter.
 
Would it kill U guys to just stop shooting for 6 months? I live un South Florida and most of us have a "shooting season" it runs from October until April, basically because the heat, humidity, mosquitoes and the sun do not motivate us 2 shoot -even indoors- forget the outdoors and forget trap and skeet. (Of course u have a few folks -about 30%- who shoot regardless, but most us only shoot consistently about 6 months a year. Why can't u guys do the same thing when it's cold, just stop shooting for 6 months.
 
Nobody needs to quit shooting altogether.
Sometimes you'll get lucky and get a brick of .22LR at the LGS or Walmart. If you don't, watch the online retailers and buy a bit from them here and there. It only takes a minute to go to Midway and check their rimfire ammo to see what's in stock. Do it three times a day and you'll eventually find something to shoot.

So you can't buy 40,000 rounds right now... Most of the old-timers I knew considered a whole brick of .22LR to be an incredible amount of ammo.
Just buy what you can here and there, don't pay scalper prices, and wait it out.
 
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I just bought a 100 rounds of mini mags Friday for $8.00 at sportsmans. They had it behind the counter and have it to me in another box.
But they had primers and bullets out, not a lot but enough that a person could buy some if they wanted.

I just picked up a thousand small pistol from another store so I left them.



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Sorry costs to LGS's are up. I've seen the invoices.
Yes, and if they can't sell it at inflated retail prices to cover the inflated wholesale prices they won't be re-ordering and the inflated wholesale prices will come down, followed by the inflated retail prices.

Of course, the LGS gets left "holding the bag" on that last batch of stuff they bought at the inflated prices ... but that's their problem, right?
 
Panic buying has caused a big jump in price. Wholesale cost has not risen. Refuse to pay stupid prices and cost will get back close to where it was a year ago.

Yup. Scored 50 rounds of Rem/UMC .223 yesterday at Wally's for $21. The gal told me that the flippers are still lining up 3 hours ahead of time to get the .22LR. I see people flogging it at $50/brick on my local WTS board. I guess people are paying it.:banghead:
 
Somebody got the weird notion that .22 rimfire ammo was going to become the new fiat currency.

Good luck with that when the time comes when somebody is willing to trade you ANYTHING for a box of .22 ammo.

When Bertha finds out how much of that stuff Bubba has stashed under the bed in the trailer, there's gonna be a reckoning - and it won't involve Bubba "getting his money out of it."

This lunacy will pass.
 
MagnunJoe: Many of us simply can't stop. And some of us only developed the gun bug well into middle age.

Being down to approx. 2,000 rds. (reserve level) for my SKS, I sometimes take just one box, instead of two. About two & one half years ago
I had approx. 5,000 rds. of it.
 
Folks, other than the few "flippers" who prey on desperate dupes, you have the wrong badguys in mind. It is NOT the safe shooting sports community, most of whom are good patriots, vs. US ammo manufacturers, distributors, and retailers. Don't you get what's going on!?
 
"Don't you get what's going on!?"

No. Is it a secret?

Meanwhile, I'm still shooting WMT I bought for $15/brick a long time ago. Then it went to $18 and I bought more. The WME was a couple bucks a brick more, so I didn't buy quite as many cases.

So what's going on now? I'm dying to know.

Gun sales have gone through the flipping roof the past few years - to historical highs - and people with new guns want to shoot them a lot. Is that it?
 
Yup. Scored 50 rounds of Rem/UMC .223 yesterday at Wally's for $21. The gal told me that the flippers are still lining up 3 hours ahead of time to get the .22LR. I see people flogging it at $50/brick on my local WTS board. I guess people are paying it

Yup, I see bricks of it on KSL out of Utah for sale for insane prices, I just cant believe that people really feel like they have to pay those prices for 22. Its probably the same people that will buy a pound of powder just because its on the shelf.

I have probably passed up 10-15 pounds of powder not to mention the primers I have passed up through this whole escapade just because I have what I need at home. I like to think that my passing up stuff is making a difference, but when I see scalpers trying to sell 22 ammo like that, it really makes me wonder.
 
leadcounsel - over the last several years, I haven't been able to shoot as much as I would like as there is no public range within reasonable distance. :(
As a result, I have some of those old Winchester Wildcat's in 500 count bricks that I paid $10 for years ago. Problem now is that I have a "senior citizen" parent shooting "stinkpot" turtles, muskrats, & snakes from their elevated deck into the lake. :rolleyes:
This parent didn't get "into" guns until about 10 years ago and now has a .38 Sp. snubbie and a Marlin 60 with red dot holosight.
To quote the late Boris Karloff: I think I've created a monster!
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What you are experiencing is what is called the FREE MARKET!!!
According to Hannity and Limbaugh this is how the true capitalistic system works, based on supply and demand. The supply side is low, the demand is high and the price is raised. Simple as that. Suck it up and move on.
 
What you are experiencing is what is called the FREE MARKET!!!
According to Hannity and Limbaugh this is how the true capitalistic system works, based on supply and demand. The supply side is low, the demand is high and the price is raised. Simple as that. Suck it up and move on.
Exactly -- and there has to be a better solution, right? Marxism!?

Let's just give the White House and government(s) planning and control of design, manufacturing and (re)distribution of ammunition.

Lest we forget why this all started, again...
 
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