Off duty Police told they can't carry at University

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I am curious as to why someone who lives in Ohio maintains such an interest in the goings-on in Chicago, but that's neither here nor there -- apparently, LE malfeasance is simply an easier target when conducted by the boys in Chi-Town.
I'm from Chicago. I lived in Chicago until I went to college and joined the Army. I still have foolish relatives who live in Chicago. My favorite cousin was a waitress in her younger days. There's absolutely no reason beyond random chance why I didn't see her getting her face kicked in by a Chicago cop instead of Karolyna Obrycka. Of course I'm one of those odd people who doesn't like to see ANYBODY get abused. I've had cops (and not just from Chicago) "attack" me for that.
 
So when a police asks you a question and you decide to exercise your right to "remain silent" then your guilty of the crime accused? I see this is going no place. Take care...
Certainly a lot of people, especially police believe that.

But then we're not talking about people faced with criminal charges in which they might inadvertently incriminate themselves. We're talking about people making a moral stand against something that at least SOME people consider wrong.

You have no LEGAL duty to take a moral stand on ANYTHING, even genocide. On the other hand, I have no LEGAL duty to respect that.
 
Again, can you cite ANY NRA member defending mass murderers? I think that if you could, you would. Obviously you cannot.

Can you cite ANY members on this board who are LEO's defending all the actions of the Chicago PD? Just because someone withholds judgement doesn't mean they endorse the action...

Dude, you need to take a course in logic and critical thinking. You're just making yourself look bad...
 
Can you cite ANY members on this board who are LEO's defending all the actions of the Chicago PD?

D is asking for one instance out of 4 million members, you're asking for 1 out of what 30 ?
 
Can you cite ANY members on this board who are LEO's defending all the actions of the Chicago PD? Just because someone withholds judgement doesn't mean they endorse the action...

Dude, you need to take a course in logic and critical thinking. You're just making yourself look bad...
Hmmm, speaking of logic and critical thinking, avoidance of strawman arguments is a big part of that.

Feel free to cite where I have accused "members of this board who are LEOs" of defending ALL of the actions of the Chicago PD. We both know you can't do it.

I've questioned a refusal to make a moral evaluation of the Fraternal Order of Police's attitude toward domestic violence. I stand by that completely. And it's even directly firearms related.
 
I've questioned a refusal to make a moral evaluation of the Fraternal Order of Police's attitude toward domestic violence. I stand by that completely. And it's even directly firearms related.
So if they do not pass judgement such as you do then they agree with the standing of the organization? You need to work on some issues... I am sure there are some doctors on the internet that can help you out...
 
So if they do not pass judgement such as you do then they agree with the standing of the organization? You need to work on some issues... I am sure there are some doctors on the internet that can help you out...
Now THAT is an example of a personal attack.

I find it interesting that you will not attack an organization which believes that a SELECT group of wife beaters should be able to have guns, but will attack me for criticizing them.

You ARE willing to judge people... just not if they're police.
 
I know that I am not wrong, and I know that it happens. How do I know this? I have served as the medic for more than one SWAT team, and my current partner is on the SWAT team. I teach a "tactical paramedic" course, and I am a current instructor for DHS. I am a rescue diver, and at one point I was considering being an underwater CSI (I blew an Achilles a week before the class convened) 4 of my neighbors are cops, and many of my friends are cops. Being a firefighter in a medium sized town, I know 3/4 of the cops and firemen within 20 miles of where I work. I went to high school with many of them, and I have instructed more than a few.

Cops and certain other professions have stickers on their cars to alert LEOs that they are in certain professions. That alerts the LEO who pulled you over to ask who you work for. In my younger days, when I drove more aggressively than I do now, I used that to get out of a lot of tickets. I disagree with it, and I now see how wrong that is to do. However, I only got two tickets in over 20 traffic stops during that period.

It happens, and it happens a lot. Anyone who says that it doesn't is lying.

BTW- I am not anti-cop. I just think that everyone has the same rights. Either we all stand together, or we will surely hang separately.
 
Lets concede that LEO is on duty 24/7 365.4 for the duration of their career I am good with that. LEO should be permitted to carry whatever when ever where ever they have a need to be I am good with that and support that wholeheartedly.

I too am on duty 24/7 365.4 for the duration of my life. I have an absolute obligation to GOD to protect the life and well being of my children my wife and myself, as well as a moral obligation to my community. I should be permitted to carry whatever when ever where ever I have a need to be. I support that wholeheartedly.

We are all human beings. Citizens of the United States of America ENTITLED to EQUAL RIGHTS. There is no place for special classes or privileges in this nation. Any right than you would deny another is one you are unworthy off. Support all rights for all citizens. To deny any human being of their rights is the cowardly act of a traitor and offense before God. As it was God who gave use these rights, not the government. The Constitution simply enumerates and protects those God given rights
 
longrider.... if "GOD" gave you these rights... since he is "all powerful" wouldn't you think that you would still have them?

these are rights given by man.... they are accepted by man...


you should probably get the same paycheck as nasa scientist as well right?


ps this is getting very off-topic...
 
i wonder if these rules would change if the campus shooters had run through the administration building and not ordinary classrooms?
 
TN Law Regarding School Carry Off Duty

It is very legal in TN for LEO's to carry on school property off duty. The AG's opinion is based on PRIOR law. Middle TN State may have some sort of policy, but the policy means nothing legally to off duty law enforcement.

39-17-1350. Law enforcement officers permitted to carry firearms — Exceptions — Restrictions — Identification card for corrections officers. —

(a) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, any law enforcement officer may carry firearms at all times and in all places within Tennessee, on-duty or off-duty, regardless of the officer's regular duty hours or assignments, except as provided by subsection (c), federal law, lawful orders of court or the written directives of the executive supervisor of the employing agency.

(b) The authority conferred by this section is expressly intended to and shall supersede restrictions placed upon law enforcement officers' authority to carry firearms by other sections within this part.


(c) The authority conferred by this section shall not extend to a law enforcement officer:


(1) Who carries a firearm onto school grounds or inside a school building during regular school hours unless the officer immediately informs the principal that the officer will be present on school grounds or inside the school building and in possession of a firearm. If the principal is unavailable, the notice may be given to an appropriate administrative staff person in the principal's office;




(2) Who is consuming beer or an alcoholic beverage or who is under the influence of beer, an alcoholic beverage, or a controlled substance;




(3) Who is not engaged in the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer while within the confines of an establishment where beer or alcoholic beverages are sold for consumption on-the-premises; or





(4) Who is not engaged in the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer while attending a judicial proceeding.





(d) For purposes of this section, “law enforcement officer” means a person who is a full-time employee of the state in a position authorized by the laws of this state to carry a firearm and to make arrests for violations of some or all of the laws of this state, or a full-time police officer who has been certified by the peace officer standards and training commission, or a vested correctional officer employed by the department of correction.

I hope this clarifies any misunderstanding and any people who think they are going to call police on off duty police carrying on school grounds in TN. It is important to note that they do not have to get 'permission' to carry off duty at schools and signs mean nothing to a LEO in TN, as in most states.
 
thank you razorback i was trying to explain that when 1 of the disbelievers was posting a law from 1999 which was previous to the new law!
 
I thought i would post the correct law because the poster who went on and on about having off duty police arrested and charged for carrying on TN school grounds had no legal basis.

Sorry to say it, but if you badly want to legally carry anywhere you want in all fifty states and territories, walk past metal detectors with a gun, and carry on airplanes when traveling for work, be a federal law enforcement officer. The deal is, most people don't want the job that goes along with the priviledge of carrying wherever you want, and most people could not hack fed law enforcement, for a variety of reasons.

I know people are from different parts of the country, but it is sad to see folks berate law enforcement officers as if they are all at the same level of politicians and criminals. Most of the county, local, and state guys in TN and the rest of the South don't make a killing and often must work part time jobs to make ends meat. They get the us VS them attitude mostly because of listening to the jerks who have no appreciation and do not even thank them for the many good things they do. It takes a special person to be a GOOD law enforcement officer. You never know when you may be hurt in an accident on the side of the road and one comes and helps you. I have witnessed off duty police help car accident victims in Arkansas when others would just drive by.
 
these are rights given by man....
Not according to the Constitution.

you should probably get the same paycheck as nasa scientist as well right?
Is that a natural right, or in ANY way stated or even implied in the Constitution? No. So it has nothing to do with rights at all, and isnt applicable, especially since no one here has implied anything of the sort.

All people (or me at least, I shouldn't speak for anyone else) are saying is that a cop is no more important than anyone else, nor is thier safety any more important than anyone elses, nor is there ANY mention in the Second Amendment about LEO's having more of a right to keep or bear arms than the rest of us.Since the Supreme Court has ruled that LEO's have NO obligation/legal duty to protect anyone, that means that we need to be able to protect ourselves with a firearm if we choose, just as they wish to have the ability to protect themselves with firearms.

There is simply NO reason that LEO's should be allowed to carry a gun for thier protecton in a school/college while they are there to simply attend class like the rest of us, if we arent allowed to do the same. They are NOT there in thier official capacity, on official business, and since they are NOT required to use thier weapon to protect us (or do anything else to protect us for that matter), there is no reason that they would need to have one, that wouldnt be the exact same reason for a non-LEO to have/need one.

They get the us VS them attitude mostly because of listening to the jerks who have no appreciation and do not even thank them for the many good things they do.
Actually, a lot of the beefing is the constant complaints some of us hear about how no one shows "apprciation", "respects" or "thanks" them for doing "such an important job" or "the good things they do". I have had important jobs too, and done LOTS of good things, including helping people who have been in serious accidents, and gotten no thanks either, but you dont hear me beefing about nobody thanking me for it, showing respect, or showing appreciation.If thats why you are doing your job, then I'm afraid you are probly in the wrong line of work, and will probly never be very happy with the people of this planet.

It kinda goes back to the fact that ones job does not (and shouldnt) make them "special", and what one CHOOSES to do for a living is no more special than the job anyone else does. The world need doctors, scientists, teacher, janitors, plumbers and ditch diggers just as much as they need anyone else.No one is special becasue of thier job, as we'd ALL be screwed if no one was willing to be a cop, or a doctor, or a teacher, or a scientist, or a janitor, or a garbage man, or a plumber etc. ;)
 
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longrider.... if "GOD" gave you these rights... since he is "all powerful" wouldn't you think that you would still have them?
God or natural law if you prefer give us life and the inherent right to protect that life. Along with the balls to protect those rights. Use em or loose em. Obviously this nation has had a sack problem for awhile. So it falls on us to stand up and take back what has been bartered away allegedly in our best interest by those who think they know better and choose to desecrate what hundreds of thousands of our best have died defending.
If my post was off topic you need to reread it
 
"There is simply NO reason that LEO's should be allowed to carry a gun for thier protecton in a school/college while they are there to simply attend class like the rest of us, if we arent allowed to do the same. They are NOT there in thier official capacity, on official business, and since they are NOT required to use thier weapon to protect us (or do anything else to protect us for that matter), there is no reason that they would need to have one, that wouldnt be the exact same reason for a non-LEO to have/need one."

wow this is a funny one
at least you used simply rather than a capitalized "clearly"
do you attend class in uniform? do you have a trade that involve ticking off folks who might actually act on their angry impulse (as opposed to internet heros)

while not required to use their weapon were you napping when the appalachian law schoolshooting happened? or how about the mall shooting where that slacker cop left dinner with his wife to go towards the guy with the long gun? do folks with your major or career do that?

thanks for the "simple" chuckles
 
im not advocating special treatment for law enforcement.. but think about it this way... if you make their job miserable, who will do that job when no one wants to anymore?

Ummm, let's see. I'll protect mine, you protect yours. When the threat is too big for either of us to handle alone, let's get together and handle it together. Now, I am not advocating an anarchist lifestyle where that is truly how we'd handle things but I am answering your question. If we can't get anyone to do it, we could just do it ourselves.
 
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