Off duty Police told they can't carry at University

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Laws should apply to everyone or at least that is what I got from the BOR.

I don't have a problem with LEOs carrying on campus or anywhere for that matter just as long as I can carry to.

Many posters here geniunely believe that public servants should serve the public not rule them or have more rights than them.
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Another well put comment\\
 
the thing to fight would be the fact that "civilians" cannot carry in the same place as leo's.... not fighting to have leo's rights removed... your being counter productive... thats the major argument here!
 
the thing to fight would be the fact that "civilians" cannot carry in the same place as leo's.... not fighting to have leo's rights removed... your being counter productive... thats the major argument here!
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I agree with you on that.
 
the thing to fight would be the fact that "civilians" cannot carry in the same place as leo's.... not fighting to have leo's rights removed... your being counter productive... thats the major argument here!
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I third that! :D Even better would be LEO's & "us" fighting together to ensure that anyone legally carrying would be welcomed. Just as long as none of that kissing business is involved.. ;)
 
the thing to fight would be the fact that "civilians" cannot carry in the same place as leo's.... not fighting to have leo's rights removed... your being counter productive... thats the major argument here!
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That's not the argument in this thread (originally), though. There is no fight to remove the LEOs rights in this situation as the state laws already make it illegal for them to carry on campus (according to what I've read). The argument is watching those select officers complain about not being able to break the law in order to carry on campus. Instead of joining together with non-LEO to change the laws for everyone in the state, they are trying to instate privileges for themselves. That's the argument as I see it.
 
Even better would be LEO's & "us" fighting together to ensure that anyone legally carrying would be welcomed. Just as long as none of that kissing business is involved..
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This is what should happen. but the fact still remains. 9 out of 10 people who open carry risk being harrassed or even arrested by police officers. Then spend countless months to restore thier rights. MOST police officers feel they should only have guns and forget the fact that it is my right to have a gun.
 
That's not the argument in this thread (originally), though. There is no fight to remove the LEOs rights in this situation as the state laws already make it illegal for them to carry on campus (according to what I've read). The argument is watching those select officers complain about not being able to break the law in order to carry on campus. Instead of joining together with non-LEO to change the laws for everyone in the state, they are trying to instate privileges for themselves. That's the argument as I see it.
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Another great post.
 
I'll bet this is a "liberal" arts school so you know you got a left wing administration, of course they're going to be anti-gun... Hey we don't want school shootings here so when we do have one, we don't want any of the police on campus to have a firearm, yea we want it to be real easy for the shooter, lots of unarmed victims, makes sense to me... I mean, psycho school shooters always follow the rules right???
 
someone should e mail em the appalachian law school shooting story. couse we need to hope they don't read this thread where all those gun control supporters like some kid and treo back the school policy
 
Ah, finally, his real argument comes forth:
MOST police officers feel they should only have guns and forget the fact that it is my right to have a gun.
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This is such utter nonsense that I probably should have ignored it, but perhaps statements such as that should be highlighted, so some of the actual thinking members of this forum have a chance to see this sort of drivel.

(I'm assuming "scrat" meant, "... feel only they should have guns ... " vice, "... they should only have guns ...")
 
This is what should happen. but the fact still remains. 9 out of 10 people who open carry risk being harrassed or even arrested by police officers
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Oh really. Well now, if that is a true and accurate statement then I think some additional police officer training is in order. Somehow they let one slip through their fingers.............
 
just like the brady folks make up a number and say it loud like it had meaning and the suckers... er syncophants will repeat it
 
and that is the million dollar answer.

Especially when you have to fight to restore your freedom. Because of someones lack of knowledge and enforces something that is wrong.
 
Hi Hotshot,

the thing to fight would be the fact that "civilians" cannot carry in the same place as leo's.... not fighting to have leo's rights removed... your being counter productive... thats the major argument here!
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I agree, unfortunately it takes both sides. And from what I've seen of LEO's in Indiana, Kentucky, Virginia and Maryland the 'brothers in blue' see firearms as an exclusive 'family' trait.

As for counter-productive... when those given the trust to enforce the law are forced to live under those laws, they will be more likely to think before they demand more powers.

Selena
 
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This is what should happen. but the fact still remains. 9 out of 10 people who open carry risk being harrassed or even arrested by police officers

Oh really. Well now, if that is a true and accurate statement then I think some additional police officer training is in order. Somehow they let one slip through their fingers.............
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This is true when I visit the Capitol of Topeka. KS CCW does not allow open carry.:rolleyes::cuss::banghead:

I can't believe I read this whole thing twice.
 
And if you open carry you risk being harassed or arrested. because only those in the family are allowed to carry guns. didnt you know that.


SAD So what do all these leo's wives and kids think when they go shooting with them and find out that they cant have a gun only the leo of the family. How does it feel to look your family members in the eyes when they tell you why cant i carry or have a gun. Who stopped that. Whats your answer because im an leo we are above the law
 
Ah, finally, his real argument comes forth:

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MOST police officers feel they should only have guns and forget the fact that it is my right to have a gun.

This is such utter nonsense that I probably should have ignored it, but perhaps statements such as that should be highlighted, so some of the actual thinking members of this forum have a chance to see this sort of drivel.

(I'm assuming "scrat" meant, "... feel only they should have guns ... " vice, "... they should only have guns ...")
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If the majority of police actually do support non-LEO's right to own guns, ccw, and OC, then why is it that a LARGE majority of the time, when a law regarding "assault weapons", ccw, or OC is being put up for vote/discussion, I tend to see it being OPPOSED by the likes of the police unions, FOP, Chiefs of Police, Sheriff's Association, and other LEO groups? That seems to indicate a lack of the support for the rest of us some here are claiming exists.

Oh, I know, someone will say that the Sheriff, Chief, and union leaders are politicians/bureaucrats, and its really only them, not the "average street cop" that really opposes it right? Well, in the LEO unions, organizations, etc, who is it that ELECTS those very people? (not referring to the actual Sheriff or chief himself, as they are appointed, or elected by ALL the people, not the cops themselves, just referring to the unions and organizations where it IS the "average cops" who elect their leadership) Thats right, the "average street cop", unless police organizations and unions are really dictatorships, there is no vote, and the people in charge just take over by force, and there is no vote, but that isn't the case that I've ever heard of. They get voted in by the majority of members. That seems to imply that they aren't too interested in changing things and supporting the rest of us, or they wouldn't vote in anti-gun leadership for their groups, and/or they would raise a stink when the "minority anti-gun cops" oppose a law that people claim the majority of cops support. Why don't we see the "majority" raising heck if their leadership is speaking for them, but is saying the exact opposite of what they supposedly actually think?

As has been brought up many times, LEO's asked the rest of us gun owners and ccw'ers to support them by telling our Congress people to pass HR218 for them, and then they turn around and not only voice no support for us when the time comes, their groups actively oppose us. If so many cops really do support gun owners, CCW, OC, etc, then where is the support when a law is proposed to give us more? Why do their groups actively oppose these laws? and why do these groups actively support things like bans on "high cap" mags, "assault weapons" CCW in bars or schools, etc?

I fail to see why people who actively oppose a group of people are surprised when they don't get that groups support in return, and are criticized for their opposition, and looked upon with some level of disdain.

If you want someones respect, support, etc, you need to be willing to give them the same in return. If you cant/wont, don't be surprised when you don't get any support, respect, etc either. Seems pretty obvious to me.

I'll get more intersted in supporting thing for LEO's when I start to see them, and thier representative organizations stop actively opposing us, AND actively support us.

I'll be waiting to see the FOP and local police union's name listed in the "PRO/Support" column on the next law about expanding carry rights for me, or when I see them in the "Against/Doesnt Support" column of the next gun restriction some politician tries to get passed. I suspect I'll turn blue holding my breath waiting though.;)

The NRA and it's members did thier part for LEO's in pushing for Congress to pass HR218. It's now LONG past time for us to our return on that support.
 
what parts of va did you see that in? as opposed to read about
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I had a run in with Va Beach PD a few years ago. I was walking in front of my home while open carrying, and was stopped by police, cuffed, and placed in the back of a patrol car. They held me for an hour, while the cop was trying to find a law to charge me with. They eventually let me go after the supervisor came and told them OC was legal, and no charges were filed.

While being held, I was told by the cop, "This isn't the wild west, you can't just walk around with a gun."
 
thats why i stated its a national problem. If you can get away with it in tenesse oh boy. however its not like that across the country.
 
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