RoadkingLarry
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Anybody have a link to veify the closing of B&B Gun Sales because of helping the police?
Officials Seize AK-47s At SoCal Pawn Shop
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For the life of me I can't see how anyone thinks Corwin won this case. He sat in jail for weeks on bogus charges, spent thousands of dollars and never got his guns back. How exactly is that winning? The only thing he got was the charges dropped, He is not getting his firearms, the weeks of his life or any of the money back.
I don't think B&B giving the AR rifles for the shootout had anything to do with why they went out of business, which was a couple of years later, IIRC. The business climate in California is in general pretty tough on gun shop owners. I would be interested in specifics on why they went out of business.
B&B also had a shop in Orange County and wholesale business, IIRC. Both shops were pretty nice when I visted them in the mid-90s.
B&B also had a shop in Orange County and wholesale business, IIRC. Both shops were pretty nice when I visted them in the mid-90s.
50 Shooter
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B&B went out of business due to the two brothers that owned the stores hating each other. In the end they declared bankruptcy and alot of customers lost their money that they had sitting on firearms to be picked up.
You guys that frequent the board should know by now that we subjects here in CA can own OLL/AK's... as long as we play within the rules.:banghead:
You guys that frequent the board should know by now that we subjects here in CA can own OLL/AK's... as long as we play within the rules.:banghead:
silverlance
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If I told you the story about Matthew Corwin, whose life was wrecked over some trumped up gun charges, and was saved only by a lot of help from his friends and family (including hundreds of complete strangers on www.calguns.net, and several businesses such as Entreprise Arms, CWS, 10% Firearms, etc)... you would flip out.
To make a long story short:
He was accused of a multitude of crimes that he clearly and obviously did not commit.
His house was ransacked, and all his stuff confiscated. Including computer speakers. Instead of detaching cables, they cut them with clippers.
The prosecutors could not come up with a decent case for a year.
Faced with mounting legal bills, Matt and the prosecutors sat down; they agreed to keep his guns, but he would go free and all the charges would be dropped.
The bottom line? Matt's bill was $37,000+. We managed to foot about $31,000 of that. He still owes a lot of money that he can't pay back because he lost his job in the process of being wrongfully accused.
And no, there is no way of getting the people who wrongfully charged him to pay his legal bills.
To make a long story short:
He was accused of a multitude of crimes that he clearly and obviously did not commit.
His house was ransacked, and all his stuff confiscated. Including computer speakers. Instead of detaching cables, they cut them with clippers.
The prosecutors could not come up with a decent case for a year.
Faced with mounting legal bills, Matt and the prosecutors sat down; they agreed to keep his guns, but he would go free and all the charges would be dropped.
The bottom line? Matt's bill was $37,000+. We managed to foot about $31,000 of that. He still owes a lot of money that he can't pay back because he lost his job in the process of being wrongfully accused.
And no, there is no way of getting the people who wrongfully charged him to pay his legal bills.
CountGlockula
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Fight the good fight California.
Gunnerpalace
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Just woke-up read this article, now I want to lie down, how do these news reporters get jobs. :banghead:
These sorts of instances make me wonder when it will be time to correct our country's spiral into PC, anti-freedom, classism, and, of course, the "officials" who can destroy anyone's life they want and have ZERO accountability for ANYTHING they do.
We really need to change the regulations to make all officials, elected or not, responsible for their actions in cases like the Mike Corwin case and this new one.
We really need to change the regulations to make all officials, elected or not, responsible for their actions in cases like the Mike Corwin case and this new one.
jakeswensonmt
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I wish they wouldn't say things like that. It supports the (false) argument that the only valid reason to own a firearm is to hunt. Aside from that, it's BS. A 30 round semiauto with mediocre accuracy is not a good hunting rifle. A scoped bolt-action 30-06 is a good hunting rifle.
brighamr
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100% agree. When someone actually gets there guns back, sues for legal fees\job loss and wins, I would then consider that a win. If someone loses their guns, loses $35000, and several weeks of life, that's a loss. (No matter how you dress it up, that's still a loss)
CountGlockula
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Despite THR members demeaning and persecuting the state of CA, CA is a very excellent example of how rights are infringed.
In addition, my state can be a crystal ball for other states. That is scary.
In addition, my state can be a crystal ball for other states. That is scary.
Quiet
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so, what happens in one of these cases where a defense attorney holds up a evil AK next to one that is almost identical and legal and proves to the court that the law involved is a farce?
can a criminal court rule that a state law is unconstitutionally vague and invalidate the law?
can a criminal court rule that a state law is unconstitutionally vague and invalidate the law?
Excellent news. So basically the whole "series" junk is thrown out and the Kali .Gov must add firearms by name to the list eh? How hard is it to add weapons to the banned list?
That should really open up a floodgate of "postban" style AKs and ARs to Kali shouldn't it?
Anyone know exactly what kind of AKs they were if they weren't Saigas? Just curious.
That should really open up a floodgate of "postban" style AKs and ARs to Kali shouldn't it?
Anyone know exactly what kind of AKs they were if they weren't Saigas? Just curious.
denfoote
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We need that earthquake and we need it now!!
yokel
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We have only ourselves to blame
We, after all – albeit as a collective -have for far too long left the impression that we think that the right to keep and bear arms concerns hunting and sports shooting, and making sure "hobbyists" have the right to entertain themselves with guns, which actually contributes to the false view that the Second Amendment is just a historical curiosity.
We, after all – albeit as a collective -have for far too long left the impression that we think that the right to keep and bear arms concerns hunting and sports shooting, and making sure "hobbyists" have the right to entertain themselves with guns, which actually contributes to the false view that the Second Amendment is just a historical curiosity.
Article said the pawn shop's business has been hurt due to the publicity and the owner is working with his lawyers to get a retraction of the original press release statements that were made. People in KA must be a little different...if I lived there and the guns were returned, I would be on my way to the store to get one of the 10. I would think they would sell pretty fast and I would expect "more" business than usual if the return was made public. I believe an add in the paper would be warranted, "Confiscated Gun Sale, Limited Quantity of 10...Get Yours Now!!! Once these are sold, we will be taking orders for our next shipment, so come on down and browse!!!". Hmmm...wonder if this guy has a website?...wonder if you can get one with an evidence tag still attached?...that would make a nice display.
Quiet
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Go here for answers.
Not "postban", they are considered "OLL" (Off List Lowers).
AK rifles that were siezed and retured were WASR-10 without pistol grip.
Eightball
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Now, explain to me when owning something that could potentially be used to do something destructive or criminal became a crime? I guess we need to seize all cars (could be getaway cars, or drunk-driving related), all alcohol (could be molotov), all fire and fire-production devices, all money, all tabloids, all power tools, and all smelters, because people shouldn't own thing that could be destructive.
Let's start with the assets of the anti's, and work our way from there, using their same logic.
yokel
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The absurd notion that people can’t control things, but that things control people and situations forms the bedrock premise of the gun control agenda.
How about the phony-baloney assertion that certain weapons should be banned because “they have no purpose except to kill people in quick succession"?
How about the phony-baloney assertion that certain weapons should be banned because “they have no purpose except to kill people in quick succession"?
I think BATFE can and does get involved in state firearms laws investigations sometimes because by law an FFL dealer has to abide by local laws too according to the feds.
CA can be weird, IIRC CA feels owning a an approved gun safe is good enough to avoind having to buy a gun lock when purchasing a handgun. I think the feds feel otherwise.
CA can be weird, IIRC CA feels owning a an approved gun safe is good enough to avoind having to buy a gun lock when purchasing a handgun. I think the feds feel otherwise.
Quiet
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Otherway around.Moonclip said:
CA requires you to purchase a new gun lock for every handgun pruchase, even if you have a gun safe and/or the handgun you buy comes with a manufacturer's supplied gun lock.
Carl N. Brown
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I own an AK47 knock-off as a curio and relic type example of a historically important military firearm. I own a Marlin 336 as a hunting rifle. Most people who own military style guns do not own them for either hunting or self-defense, but the folks who are opposed to private ownership of military guns are usually opposed to private ownership of guns period. If I want to keep my 336 I must see that I keep my AK too.
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