Oh c'mon, Im not that paranoid

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So I was listening to the news recently. They had a story about how they used GPS positioning on a sex offender's body to track him to an apartment where he was engaged in sex with a 15 year old. The other story was about setting up surveilance cameras in bad neighborhoods to keep an eye out for drug dealing, prostitution and shootings. And then finally, I caught a few commercials about how wonderful the GPS systems are in your cell phone and how amazing "OnStar" is to have in your car.

Now the rant. Am I paranoid to think that this is how they condition you. I mean, its good to hear stories of people's lives being saved and sex offenders caught due to GPS and other devices. But when does it end. Right now its all up to personal preference. Whether or not you want GPS in your phone or a locater in your car is up to you.

So, when do we see a law or regulation requiring all cars and all phones and all neighborhoods to have these surveilance devices? Crazier laws have been enacted in the past.

Keep in mind, I do not live in a shack in the woods. In fact, I live in the suburbs and have a rather technologically advanced lifestyle. However, when I start to hear of control and observation with my devices, I start to resist the idea. Am I the only one? Am I really that paranoid?

I feel this is a good topic to discuss, especially concerning Londons video camera infestation and NYC's goal to replicate it.
 
Just 'cause you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

And, yes;this is how they condition you. For your own good we will do away with 'cash' and you can just use debit cards. Ooops they can steal those cards, how about this chip in your forehead (or the back of your left hand). It is so convenient! And secure! We would never ever use it to track your movements. Unless.... well, its for your own good. After all if you've nothing to hide, why do you care if the .gov knows where you are, always. We could just put a chip in your firearms too... in case they're stolen. Not to watch you. What are you, nuts or something?
 
That is how they start conditioning you. Its pretty scary isnt it? And the sheeple will keep on as if it is a perfectly natural thing. Everything will soon be tracked and monitored for your own safety and to help prevent crimes.
 
It is very likely that what could be called a surveillance society is in an embryonic state as this is being discussed here. It is imperative that each citizen be aware of the technologies that could be used to gather data about aspects of peoples live that should be kept private. As long as we are cognizant of being monitored the likelihood of having this sort of information used against us is less than if we were not.
 
you're not going to find a new cell phone without GPS.

Don't get too comfortable with cash still being valid. Cash has almost no value anymore. We don't have any real money with which to back that cash. In other words, the cash in your wallet is simply the physical representation of numbers in computers.

With the latest bit of news about our own president authorizing unconstitutional domestic spying, I think we can almost say that privacy is dead.

as long as you have nothing to hide...
 
"if you've got nothing to hide"

yeah I hate that too.

I carry anyway, when I am in CA I carry my darn pistol.

So I do have something to hide!!!
 
One implanted "chip" that I would approve...

...is a device that is planted in each newborn baby's head. If that person ever decides to become a lawyer, the chip turns on and turns off the individual.

"What are you going to be when you grow up, Elmo?"
"A lawyer." Thud.
"Elmo? Elmo!"

rr
 
It is Crypto-Fascism. I agree, but I don't see much we can do about it until a bill actually gets introduced. Oh, and anyone (especially a gun owner) stupid enough to be living in New York pretty much deserves the crypto-fascism present in that area.
 
Of course we're being conditioned. Look how conditioned we've become already. Think about movies and television; what was the last movie you can think of where the hero wasn't a Navy Seal, a cop, a CIA agent, or some sort of "operator"? It's always the government agent that comes to the rescue, it's always the FBI guy that discovers the identity of the bad guy, it's always the government agent that shoots it out with the aliens. See, the government is your friend, they will save you from the bank robbers/terrorists/aliens. In those rare instances where the government type is corrupt, the person that brings them to justice is, you guessed it!, another government agent.

Then figure in the obvious violations of the Constitution you see on cop shows and compare them to what our culture has accepted in the name of the War on Drugs/Terror etcetera,and you begin to see where the lines are blurred between real life and "art".
 
conditioning...

Consider this: FBI UCR 2001 shows about 200 justifiable
homicides by police officers and about the same number
of justifiable homicides by civilians as "in killing of a felon in
the act of perpetrating a felony." When did movies or TV
reflect the reality that half the time the BG is killed
by a citizen and not a government operative?

Also, when my mother griped about having to be fingerprinted
to buy a gun as a gift for my step-dad, someone dared to ask,
why object to being fingerprinted, what have you got to hide?
No, it was not the police who said that: they were embarassed
knowing it was a humiliation to my mother and a waste of their
time. It was some idiot she talked about it to after it was over.
Some people are already conditioned.
 
The FCC has required that all cell phones be capable of reporting location, to within 50' (300' in rural areas), as of October, 2001. Google for FCC E911 Phase 2.

Sorry, that horse left the stable years ago. If you own a cell phone, 'they' can track you.
 
"What do you have to hide?"

Funny how that term "What do you have to hide" originates from people who deal heavily in secrecy. If my President has nothing to hide then why can't I find out who was on the Energy panel and what they said?

What's less funny is that the answer "nothing" never stays true in the long run. What did the Jews have to hide living in Nazi run Germany or any of the countries the Nazis gained control of? Plenty, like their lives. What about the Jehovah's Witnesses? Gypsys? What about people who just didn't like jack-booted thugs? (No, I'm not referring to the BATF, this time.)

What you don't have to hide this week becomes your death sentence next week.

What did persons of Japanese heritage have to hide prior to Dec. 7, 1941? Not a d**n thing, but then the whole lot of them were rounded up, their real estate sold off to political cronies and they and their families were held prisoners without evidence, without trial and without any proof, then or since that any of them were in any way disloyal to the United States.

When we forget the lessons of history we are doomed to repeat them.

The next person who asks you "what do you have to hide?" should get the answer "I'm certainly not hiding your ignorance."
 
This arises from 3 things:

1. Surveillance tech is new by worldwide standards

2. Why, we vote for elected representatives. We have a DEMOCRATIC system. I mean how could we ever go wrong with intrusive measures in society when we can just vote those measures away?

3. American Idol is on.

The American public (atleast in certain areas), simply doesn't understand that this is a high tech version of "Ver are your papers?"
 
Think about movies and television; what was the last movie you can think of where the hero wasn't a Navy Seal, a cop, a CIA agent, or some sort of "operator"? It's always the government agent that comes to the rescue, it's always the FBI guy that discovers the identity of the bad guy, it's always the government agent that shoots it out with the aliens. See, the government is your friend, they will save you from the bank robbers/terrorists/aliens.
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V For Vendetta.

And, boy, was there a lot of partisan howling over that one.
 
So, when do we see a law or regulation requiring all cars and all phones and all neighborhoods to have these surveilance devices? Crazier laws have been enacted in the past.
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Crazier laws will be enacted in the near future, too. Welcome to socialist heaven on earth.
 
Don't get too comfortable with cash still being valid. Cash has almost no value anymore. We don't have any real money with which to back that cash. In other words, the cash in your wallet is simply the physical representation of numbers in computers.
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Cash will be valid as long as the American dollar is valid. the method of trade may be different, but 5 dollars in pocket has the same value as 5 dollars on the card. Your dollar is simply backed by consumer confidence, just like the dollar on your card.

By "real money" I assume you mean a commodity based sytem- a system of monitary exchange where something of value is backing the money, like gold or silver.

Stop using banks for anything other than paycheck cashing. Cash is your friend and keeps you out of debt. I frequently hear how inconvinient it is to use cash, I disagree.. it's worked for thousands of years and will continue to be the best and method of day to day trade and the least inherantly problematic method.Ironically, cash system only inconvinient when you have debt. :)

There, I said it.


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The FCC has required that all cell phones be capable of reporting location, to within 50' (300' in rural areas), as of October, 2001. Google for FCC E911 Phase 2.

Sorry, that horse left the stable years ago. If you own a cell phone, 'they' can track you.
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Cell tower triangulation is only so so accurate. GPS accuracy is within 10m usually, with WAAS, maybe 3m. With the proper triangulation equipment, 1m or less.

Just a tip, remove the battery if you don't want to be bothered. Don't just turn the phone off.


V For Vendetta.

And, boy, was there a lot of partisan howling over that one.
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Funny that it was mostly conservatives that I heard bashing V. Eh, to each their own.
 
My criminal justice professor is from England. Hes all about the cameras in every traffic light, neighborhood, etc etc. He absolutly loves "Carnivore." This is the most advanced computer tracking device. He went into detail about it and had a drooling fit about how it prevented crime. He also talks about how america should legalize all drugs and ban all firearms. Its really frightening how much control they have already. thanks for all the supportive replies too guys!
 
Wastemore, the only thing backing the bills in your wallet IS consumer confidence. It would be far easier to track money if there were no paper to worry about. Just scan a thumbprint to signify your willingness to trade credit for goods/services and viola.

The money in your pocket has very little value unless you decide to deal in cash only...ever. Money is dead, long live information.

Thing is, consumers would never go for such a thing because they still believe that the almighty green piece of paper holds some value.
 
Do a search for threads here on sex offender registration. Even in this forum which is massively slanted towards people who appreciate civil liberties people are overwhelmingly in favor of such things. We are already conditioned to accept an incremental infringment on the basic rights of Americans. The very notion that such infringments would stop at the dregs of our society is laughable, it will be coming to a place closer to home.
 
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