Oh look (yawn), GOA and JPFO are attacking NRA again

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Same reason GOA isn't worth a damn... they're not willing to compromise
GOA and JPFO are NEVER involved in serious law or policy making, so they have no NEED to come to agreements with anyone. They can adopt the wildest, hardest, most uncompromising positions because IT NEVER MATTERS WHAT THEY SAY OR DO. Except in their fundraising.

One the other hand, what NRA says and does ALWAYS matters. They don't have the luxury of being irrelevant.

You folks need to understand this -- it's CRUCIAL to understanding the game that is unfolding before your eyes. What GOA and JPFO is about FUNDRAISING!!! They live off getting people angry toward NRA. Most gun-owners don't buy it (as evidenced by their relative membership numbers) but they don't need them. All they need are the few they do convince - that brings in enough $$ to pay their bills and keep them from having real jobs.

In his first year as NRA-ILA director (1978) the late Neal Knox put an article in the American Rifleman that laid it on the line. He described how these small groups misrepresent facts and make themselves seem more important than they are. This is an excerpt from the SECOND PARAGRAPH (American Rifleman, Nov. 1978, Page 80):

"...(O)ther organizations - for reasons of their own - have continued to attempt to build themselves up by tearing down NRA. These efforts have gone beyond mere bickering, and have become unjustified, unsubstantiated and untrue attacks. They have damaged the NRA and the defense of gun ownership in ways that the vowed enemies of gun ownership could not, to the delight of our foes..."

In the rest of the article, Neal names names and groups and gives specifics about the same kinds of attacks you are seeing today. Friends, there is nothing new under the sun, except perhaps an increased level of awareness by gun-owners that this kind of BS goes on in the gun-rights movement. I'm sick and tired of it, aren't you?

Don't buy GOA's and JPFO's B.S.

Mike
 
Neal Knox

Given the way the leadership of the NRA ended up treating him because of his uncompromising positions, I'm not sure you ended up helping your cause.

I'm an NRA member, and don't belong to any other national organizations, but I see a value to having several different voices. The smaller outfits do help keep the NRA honest.

Wether the criticism is accurate or not, I get the impression that the NRA leadership is too quick to compromise to avoid the appearance of being too radical. At times, I want radical. That's why I pay my dues. I want the NRA to fight to repeal existing bad laws instead of just reacting to new laws and claiming "If not for us, things would be so much worse. Send money."
 
I find it very telling that no one has of yet even attempted to address my question. So I'll ask it again...

Please name ONE accomplishment that GOA has been credited with despite all their NO COMPROMISE!!! rhetoric. I'd really like to hear about one.
 
I'm still upset over this one. The NRA has no business getting behind ANYTHING MacArthy would author. If they do something like this 2 months after I join, what's next?!
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Did the leadership of NRA get infiltrated?
 
Regardless of the merits of the bill, GOA is right in opposing it and holding the NRA responsible for their actions.

Doesn't anybody else think that McCarthy, Schumer, Feinstein, etc just might try to sneak a midnight AWB amendment onto the bill?
 
Do you know that the NRA is a Non-profit organization, and cant spend once cent on Lobbying, or legislative activites without losing its non profit status??

The roster of players.

NRA-ILA is an internal division of NRA. It is not a separate legal entity although it keeps separate books. For federal tax purposes, it operates under NRA's 501 (c)(4) umbrella. NRA has voluntarily chosen to conduct it's lobbying activities through ILA in order to maintain the confidentiality/secrecy of the central organization's financial dealings. If NRA directly[/d] did "lobbying" it would be subject to state income and expenditure reporting requirements.

NRA-PVF is an internal division of NRA-ILA which maintains separate books. It operates as a federal PAC.

NRA is a New York not-for-profit corporation. For federal tax purposes, it has been recognized as a section 501(c) (4) "social welfare" organization. As a (c)(4), NRA can engage in any lawful activity related to their "welfare" purpose (a VERY broad term under the IRC), including lobbying ALL they want, but they cannot receive tax-deductible contributions. NRA pays the salary and office expenses of NRA-ILA (something over 10,000,000 per year).

NRA Foundation is a separate division of NRA (it may be a separate corporation but federal law doesn't require that) that has a separate Board and keeps separate books. For federal tax purposes, it has been recognized as a section 501 (c) (3) "public charity" organization. (c)(3)'s may only engage in activities that fit within the scope of "charitable" as narrowly defined for federal tax purposes. A (c)(3) can only engage in very limited lobbying and the NRA Foundation has voluntarily chosen to do none. The advantage to a (c)(3) is that contributions made to it ARE tax deductible to the contributors.
 
Doesn't anybody else think that McCarthy, Schumer, Feinstein, etc just might try to sneak a midnight AWB amendment onto the bill?

No. McCarthy et all are touting the NRA support. Their support is crucial. They'll usually only do a tag on if it something that wouldnt pass on its on.

Sadly we have HR1022 for that.
 
Please name ONE accomplishment that GOA has been credited with despite all their NO COMPROMISE!!! rhetoric. I'd really like to hear about one.

Please name one accomplishment, one which we all could agree was beneficial, for which NRA should fairly take sole credit. Those post cards and phone calls come in from more than one organization. What is easier to trace is who was most influential or accountable in some major mistake or failure.

If I recall correctly, it was GOA people that gave the fill-the-tree amendment blocking strategy to Bill Frist, but who's keeping score, when victories are not unilateral or simple to explain?

I expect you will find GOA claiming credit where believed due by reading the website.
 
How does one effectively "compromise" with entities that wish for the entirety of the civilian populace to be totally disarmed????


"Did the leadership of NRA get infiltrated?"

I call it "Managed Competition".

I don't find it acceptable to compromise Morals, Ethics or Philosophy - especially with organizations (very powerful, international organizations at that) who wish us to be totally disarmed. Hell, you can read their writings so I don't know what the X vs. Y arguments come from.
 
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"Once again, as NRA deals with the serious business of gun control on the national level, the financial opportunists - GOA and JPFO - come out of the woodwork to nip at its heels and try to squeeze every dollar out of the well-intentioned but frustrated gun-owner. Truly dispicable."

I think the beginning of Post #1 bears repeating.

John
 
When has the GAO and JPFO ever agreed to abridge your God Given rights? I can categorically say that the NRA has - and on many occasions...
 
"When has the GAO and JPFO ever agreed to abridge your God Given rights?"

When has any group of any real importance asked the GOA or JPFO for an opinion?

John
 
When has any group of any real importance asked the GOA or JPFO for an opinion?

WE THE PEOPLE have asked them for their opinion. That's why they exist.
 
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