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Trunk Monkey

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I ran into a guy open carrying a 1911 in Walmart this morning in a Yaqui Slide holster. I've always questioned holsters that leave that much of your gun exposed so I asked the guy if he had a problem with the barrel getting fouled. He said he didn't or hadn't up to that point then he unholstered to show me that his pistol had an extended barrel :what:

I've always been taught that open carry or not you don't randomly whip it out in puplic for "Show and Tell". I didn't freak, I didn't express any opinion on his indiscretion and I couldn't have cared less that he was open carrying, I didn't even start a Glock V 1911 argument.

I'm not sure it's really a training issue because I don't remember ever being officially told not to unholster unnecessarily, I kinda figured it out on my own. I also acknowledge that I created the situation by opening my mouth but I still have to ask am I wrong to think that's unacceptable behavior?
 
we had an idiot at our counties walmart a few years ago. He brought in a 6920 strapped to his back, by shoelaces. Evidently he was there to look at slings. Was looking at stuff, muzzle sweeping dozens of people in the process. My understanding was he bought his stuff and left. makes you wonder when action should be taken. He was not holding the gun exactly, but still pointing it at people. No way of knowing if it was loaded for sure.
 
Yeah, saw a guy at my local walley world a couple weeks ago OC, which is not unusual here in my part of Kentucky. He had on cargo pants and one of the compact Glocks in an Uncle Mike's nylon holster with a belt clip hanging by the clip on a pocket half way down his leg. There was no velcro strap across the top. When he walked by it was flopping all over his leg. I kept waiting for it to fall out. Had a kid holding the same side hand as the floppy gun.

I'm not a snob about this, I've carried for 38 years, but if that was all I could afford, it would have been more secure in his back pocket and his shirt tail covering it that the holster he had.
 
Pulling a gun out in public for no reason is bad form. It the gets told by the antigun crowd as "he was waving the gun around".

I think some get too critical of sweeping. If your handguns in safe operating condition and it's secured in a proper holster you're sweeping people all day long. With your gun on your belt it's pointing at the person behind you on a escalator. Pocket carry? Where is that gun usually pointing if you're sitting across a table from someone.
 
I think some get too critical of sweeping. If your handguns in safe operating condition and it's secured in a proper holster you're sweeping people all day long. With your gun on your belt it's pointing at the person behind you on a escalator. Pocket carry? Where is that gun usually pointing if you're sitting across a table from someone.
Muzzle sweeping is a big deal if the gun is in someone's hands or is being fiddled with. A gun secured in a holster with no one fiddling with it is inert; a gun in the hands is not. If a hand is on the handgun,or if the gun otherwise isn't holstered (e.g. slung long gun), follow Rule Two.
 
Muzzle sweeping is a big deal if the gun is in someone's hands or is being fiddled with. A gun secured in a holster with no one fiddling with it is inert; a gun in the hands is not. If a hand is on the handgun,or if the gun otherwise isn't holstered (e.g. slung long gun), follow Rule Two.

I never said anything about it being okay if the gun is in your hand. Please reread my post.
 
I never said anything about it being okay if the gun is in your hand. Please reread my post.
I did. I stand by my post. Qualify it in the same sentence, or people will pick you apart and make you sound like you said something you didn't. :)
 
Bad form on the original topic for sure.

I don't like being swept by a muzzle in ANY context, and I do my damnedest to not do so to others. That's the number one reason I stopped going to gun shows. But I still think I get swept at least once every time I enter a LGS.
 
Depends on what kind of "sweeping" you mean. That by its self I can't agree with. You must qualify, it and do it in the same sentence.

I did. I stand by my post. Qualify it in the same sentence, or people will pick you apart and make you sound like you said something you didn't. :)

Okay. I've seen people on this forum being concerned about being "swept" when someone carrying bends over or in those examples I've mentioned.
 
Okay. I've seen people on this forum being concerned about being "swept" when someone carrying bends over or in those examples I've mentioned.


In case that was aimed at me, I should've prefaced, I don't like being "swept" in any context when a gun is being handled.

I have no concerns about a holstered gun.
 
Show and tell is for when you are at home in private and the gun in made safe before it changed hands.
 
There are more than a few of these "gun etiquette" issues that arise as people become more familiar with firearms in public places, and also as range attendance goes up.

No, you DO NOT handle your carry gun, period, except when you a) absolutely must to save a life, or b) when in a precisely appropriate venue for drawing, clearing, and making safe that gun.

[At the gun range, for example, this is ON THE FIRING LINE. Not by the phone in the club house, or at the trunk of your car in the parking lot, or in the porta-potty!!! At a gun shop...it really shouldn't be done, but if they allow it, find out where their muzzle safe area is and use it scrupulously. Anywhere else? DO NOT TOUCH IT.]

But all that to say, so many of "us" out there don't have any formal range time (certainly none with handguns in "practical" situations), no competition experience, no class time with a trainer. They've (or "we've") got no context for knowing the etiquette beyond that daddy kept a K-frame in his sock drawer and sometimes stuffed it into his coat pocket when he was going to make a bank deposit. Or grandpa had a .22 pistol that he kept in a box and we took out to the back yard and shot cans with sometimes.

How do we spread these messages? How do we make average Joe pistol owner get that deep-in-the-gut grasp of proper gun handling to feel that spidey sense tingle when he's about to do something completely wrong?

The NRA's been pushing (a version of) Cooper's 4 Rules for decades, and probably at least half the gun owning population could recite three out of four of them at this point. But knowing the words, and applying them fully and completely to living with a firearm in your daily walk are two different things.

This is a little worrisome because as more states loosen their restrictions, and more and more people carry guns, we WILL run into these issues (and worse) more than before. So what can we do?
 
Anyone who unholsters a gun in a public place for no reason, is a moron, and should be treated as such. They may be a very nice Moron, but a Moron still. In 50 years I have never taken out my loaded weapon, in a room full of people and proceede to screw around in any fashion, weather showing it or handing it, especially loaded, or attempting to unload the gun in order to facilitate their curiosity, or "show off" their gun. Most every person I know, "even the ones who know I carry", have never seen my guns, any of them.
And here is another reason, once when my partner fired an employee, in one of our GYM's, a fight broke out with the body builder and my partner, "i was routing for the Body builder" but that is neither here nor there". When the police arrived, the guy said either I or my partner pulled a gun on him, "they knew we carried because of the cash on hand. The Deputy who knew he was lying, asked him to describe the gun, he couldn't. That's because he never saw mine. They took him away and he spent 3 days in jail. Actully he was so muscle bound that he could not reach my partner with a desk between, quite funny as my partner who was 6'4" and a bouncer when younger, just snapped his head back with jabs, as he could not reach him to strike back. But he didn't know if it was an auto or revolver silver or black, model make or anything, which is a good reason not to tell or show your gun to anyone, because you never know what the future holds.
 
So before you big city folks start bashing remember there are country folk that don't get as excited about firearms as you do.
And yes, we have country folks who are "so used to firearms" that they have bad habits, poor manners, and accidents with them.

Drawing your carry firearm in a public place just to show it to someone is VERY POOR behavior, at best. Country, city, whatever.

Hicks and rednecks have as much to learn here as sissy city boys and soccer moms. And as much responsibility to teach and promote safety and proper gun-handling.
 
But come on guys. Before you start bashing you should have all of the facts.

The O.P. states his location in Colorado. Since he doesn't list his city the population of Colorado varies greatly from big cities like Denver to little rural farming communities. Eastern Colorado is so very rural as Western Kansas that you cannot tell what State you are in. In Kansas we have a lot of small rural communities where guns are a daily tool. The largest town in the County have a Walmart and /or Dollar General store and most folks have to shop there unless that what to drive 100+ miles to a bigger city that have more stores to shop. It is not uncommon to see cowboys and ranchers in local stores packing a handgun, especially as Predators such as coyotes, wild dogs. feral cats and raccoons are very common. Long guns are often in the truck. We are pretty laid back in small towns so someone showing their gun to someone else doesn't create excitement.

If you really want to see a lot of folks packing iron do to a local small town diner during hunting season. Some of you will probably have a melt down when you see hunters showing the shotguns and other guns they are packing to other folk in the parking lot.

So before you big city folks start bashing remember there are country folk that don't get as excited about firearms as you do.

We have the facts as the OP reported them. Gentleman was in a store and was asked about his gun. Gentleman proceeds to unholster and handle a loaded firearm in said store. Your paragraph about rural folks is your opinion and perception of your state's varying communities.

I live in a town of 1800 in the middle of nowhere. It's a very gun friendly environment as the area is full of hunters, ranchers, people who live out in the woods, out door recreating folks, people who just carry for protection, and people who just plain enjoy firearms. Based on my small assembly of firearms, it's a reasonable guess that there are more guns in my town than permanent residents.

Show and tell is a common thing. You go to a friend's house, and it almost always involves a 20 minute or more discussion and pass around of a gun someone got, and what the next one is of course. But NEVER in any circumstance have I ever unholstered a loaded weapon in public just to show it to someone. I have been out shooting with friends, and someone has asked about my carry gun. In that case, I unholster in a safe way, minding muzzle direction and keeping my finger off the trigger, unload and safety check the gun before showing it to someone. Even if they aren't going to handle it.

I don't see how we could use the context of the community as a logical argument that drawing a firearm in a public place like a Wal-Mart isn't that big of a deal, but a Wal-Mart in a bigger city is a less appropriate setting to do so. Urban, rural, store, park, restaurant, parking lot, it doesn't matter. Drawing/unholstering a weapon in public simply to show it to someone is a bad idea. It can lead to accidents, and can frighten people. Open carry is fine, but the gun should stay holstered unless you need it. It's just my opinion. Do what you like.
 
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FWIW Colorado Springs

Just to clarify the guy did not try to hand me his gun and he kept it pointed at the ground.

That said his stated object was to point out the extended barrel because I had asked about fouling the barrel. He could have done that by simply turning to the side and leaving the piece holstered. In fact I had already observed it.

I have always been taught that the number one cause of negligent discharges is unnecessary administrative handling. Regardless of location there is no valid excuse to unholster a loaded weapon for show and tell in the middle of a grocery store.

This is speculation but I think the guy realized he was wrong because he put it up pretty quick.
 
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