Permitless Open Carry is Now Legal in 30 States.

Will Permitless Open Carry Continue to Expand?

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Permitless open carry is legal in Michigan because nobody ever wrote a law to ban it. There is no law for it or against it, so it exists. However, it is fairly useless for someone who wants to carry 24/7. If you open carry in Michigan, as soon as you get in your car you are considered concealed carry and illegal without a permit. So you would have to unload the gun and store it in the trunk every time you get in your car. Kind of puts a cramp in moving around about town. No, what we really need is permitless concealed carry (Constitutional Carry so they call it). Regardless, permitless open carry is a good thing for those with concealed carry permits as it covers us if our gun ever shows in public.
 
aaaaa said:
Permitless open carry is legal in Michigan because nobody ever wrote a law to ban it. There is no law for it or against it, so it exists. However, it is fairly useless for someone who wants to carry 24/7. If you open carry in Michigan, as soon as you get in your car you are considered concealed carry and illegal without a permit. So you would have to unload the gun and store it in the trunk every time you get in your car. Kind of puts a cramp in moving around about town. No, what we really need is permitless concealed carry (Constitutional Carry so they call it). Regardless, permitless open carry is a good thing for those with concealed carry permits as it covers us if our gun ever shows in public.
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Connecticut just banned open carry along with a very restrictive gun bill (assault weapon ban). It clarified if someone catches a glimpse of your gun it wouldn't be considered a violation. They threw us a very small bone while taking away more rights like carrying in anywhere that sells alcohol for consumption(restuarants/bars).
 
IJ1981 said:
So only LEO's and the like should OC? Great thinking AA!
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Open carry is legal without a permit here in Virginia. In urban northern Virginia, the only open carrying that I've heard of (other than by law enforcement) is by people trying to make a "desensitizing statement." They want to "normalize" the practice. Instead, all they manage to do is rile up the soccer moms. This is political idiocy, from a gun rights standpoint.
 
Consider that IF firearms in common use are constitutionally protected relative to 'bearing', then why is it that carriage of long guns is impossible from a practicable perspective in 'concealed only' jurisdictions. I somewhat side with Alexander A on the matter, legal, but rare.

As an aside even with Florida's soon to be 'legality', it is still somewhat of a backward step in the matter. Under the old 1890's statute only pistols and repeating rifles were mandated to be licensed (tho that law was rarely enforced on ;white folks in most jurisdictions) and one could freely carry a single shot rifle or any shotgun for that matter. The 1987 law licensed handguns only! Even so, under the 90's statute open carry was legal and not uncommonly seen! The '87 matter legalized UOC, least till that rock star Janet Reno got her teeth into it................'course the stupid Miamiites that were featured on national news packin' double rig buscadero outfits 'helped'.
 
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I think permit-less carry will eventually expand to more states but certainly will never be in some states. Expansion would be more likely if there were data that would show a positive benefit of permit-less carry. By benefit I mean some evidence that crime crime rates drop to a point lower than the start date of permit-less carry. I have only seen conflicting data on that point and no reliable statistical date to prove its benefit.
 
dweis said:
I think permit-less carry will eventually expand to more states but certainly will never be in some states. Expansion would be more likely if there were data that would show a positive benefit of permit-less carry. By benefit I mean some evidence that crime crime rates drop to a point lower than the start date of permit-less carry. I have only seen conflicting data on that point and no reliable statistical date to prove its benefit.
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That sort of data will never exist, IMO. There really isn't any data that "proves" that legalizing concealed carry reduces crime. No particular reason to think that open carry would be any different.
 
Red states will pass more gun positive laws, blue more restrictive. Purple - it's a toss up probably driven by some terrible incident. That will occur in red states also if something terrible happens. Unless Scotus is decisive (fat chance of that), states will vary in restrictions. As far as the OC issue, old, old debate. Legally supportive, practically stupid unless out in the field hunting and the like. Most folks OC in low risk places (thus, so what). When you OC on a crowded subway, when you are front to butt, let me know. For this endless debate and the realistic take on why it is not a good idea, search on http://www.activeresponsetraining.net/

Carrying a long arm in public - absolutely stupid nowadays.
 
Open carry has always been legal in this state or at least as long as I have lived here. It is seldom that I ever see some one doing so and no one pays any attention to them when they do. You vehicle, even a motorcycle, is considered part of you domicile and guns are legal to carry. One in a great while I see a motorcyclist riding along with a handgun on their hip.
 
IJ1981 said:
So only LEO's and the like should OC? Great thinking AA!
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He didn't say that.

I almost never agree with AA but in this case he's spot on.

Subject to the property owner's permission I think open carry should be legal, as it clearly is in the geographic majority of the United States.

However, I think it's a really bad idea.

I used to Open Carry at work because it was required. You had to have a special endorsement on your security license to carry your handgun concealed and there had to be a reason for it. Like for instance if your uniform included a suit jacket.

Every place that I had to openly display a firearm at work client employees talked smack about it. The crackheads used to tell me they were going to knock me on my ass and take my gun away. I never had anybody actually try it but there were a couple of guys that I could tell they were thinking about it and they were sizing me up.

Feel free to go look on YouTube at the gazillion videos of open carriers getting their gun taken from them.

You open carry all you want, I have no interest.
 
There's legal and stupid. So in TX, you are legal if you cover your genitals and butt hole. A guy used to wear a flesh colored thong and go riding a bicycle in the fancy upscale neighborhood to get the gentry to call the law. Funny and legal. It would have been legal for him to ride around the school bus like that.

So back to the issue, some states will get on board. Some states in reaction to Bruen are passing laws that ban practical carry by making all businesses having to post a sign allowing carry - this includes parking lots. With other sensitive locales, carry was destroyed. Scotus did NOT deal with this tactic in Bruen. They have refused to take up TROs for some dominance crap legal weeds or they don't care.
 
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