Pet bond-why so many refused to leave NOLA

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TennTucker, whats not worth the effort? If you feel the need to, PM me with how you feel. Oh and BTW, while it may be her money to spend how she wants, when she comes over to my elderly sick grandmothers home and asks her for money from her only real income, a social security check, just to support a dog in part then I think I have a right to be concerned somewhat.

Grandmother is too nice or feels to guilty not to give her money. Like I said, I like dogs ut humans come first. I don't understand really either people seeing dogs as equals but having no problem slaughtering a cute cuddly calf for veal or a rabbit. I've seen people develope bonds to all types of animals and the animals likewise.

Looking in my crystal ball I see this thread as heading straight to thread lock quite soon. I respect peoples right to not be evacuated w/o the pets as long as they take responsibility for themselves and are not endangering children who might be endangered beacuse of their parents poor choices.
 
This subject just heigthens the tragedy, because there will be people devastated by abandoning beloved pets. There are no easy answers. I hope there will be some happy reunions, but you gotta know that there are some depressed and guilt ridden people in the evacuees.

I have experience, living close to Three Mile Island and staying behind during the crisis with a kennel of 7 dogs and 2 house dogs, all show dogs or valued breeding stock. It was indeed a suicidal risk, but I got lucky and feel pretty darned good about it. Abandoning the dogs was unthinkable, but I must admit that I had food and water.

I have one dog now, the best I have ever owned, but the bond with him is really not much different than if he were my child. I would act accordingly.

I think one option is to offer food and water in exchange for declining the ride out. That leaves the possibility of rescuers coming back when the women-and-children-only traffic dies down.
 
Maybe it is because I grew up on a farm, where I often ended up raising, killing, butchering, and eating my own pets, that this strikes me as just crazy. (and cows, pigs, and goats can be pets). If you are that loyal to your pet, good for you, but I would worry about people first. In a situation like this, it is human survival first, animals way down the list.
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Yep. That's pretty much how I come at it.

Here's a dilemma for you "animals are people too" folk:

If you had to -- had to -- choose between your pet's life and the life of a total stranger, which would you choose? Say you had a split second to grab either your beloved Fluffybutt or some strange man from of a raging, flooded river.

What would you do?
 
Quandry

Here's a dilemma for you "animals are people too" folk:

If you had to -- had to -- choose between your pet's life and the life of a total stranger, which would you choose? Say you had a split second to grab either your beloved Fluffybutt or some strange man from of a raging, flooded river.
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Well, I'd know for sure the pet wasn't a progressive liberal who hates guns, self protection and any American standards.

My pet won't sue me if something goes wrong.

Finally, who would take care of my pet if I lost my life trying to rescue a liberal?

Tough question. :D
 
If more people had a clue and understood Animal (DOG) behavior as that of pack animals and quit projecting human emotion and motivations on to dogs this would not be an issue.

I have a friend who just thinks its so cute that his big old dog trembles with excitement when he comes home shaking his tail so hard it knocks stuff off of shelves. See how much he loves me my friend exclaims.

I once tried to tell him that the dog was simply displaying pack animal behavior and was worried at seeing a pack member higher in the pack pecking order and was shaking his tail to stimulate anal glands to aid in recognition.

The really sad thing is that this type of thinking is the height of human arrogance. Why must every other animal act with the same emotions and motivations as humans? Why do we insist on crippling the level of communication between humans and animals by failing to understand even the most painfully obvious things?

Anyone that refused evacuation and chose death before leaving a pet is a Darwin award winner.
 
If you had to -- had to -- choose between your pet's life and the life of a total stranger, which would you choose? Say you had a split second to grab either your beloved Fluffybutt or some strange man from of a raging, flooded river.
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I don't even have to think about that one.

Fluffybutt. Without hesitation or regret.
 
Sindawe said: I don't even have to think about that one.

Fluffybutt. Without hesitation or regret.
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Then you should be charge with neglegent homicide.

Leaveing a human being to die in order to save a dog should result in jail time.
 
Sindawe: Fluffybutt. Without hesitation or regret.
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Wow. You'd choose a dog/cat over a fellow human being. Look I'm not trying to start a fight or create any bad feelings -- :) honestly -- but I just cannot wrap my brain around that. I honestly feel like I'm trying to understand the emotions of an alien species.

I've had pets. I've loved them. But they've never risen to the level of humans in my mind.

Maybe it's because -- as Corriea explained -- I grew up around so many animals. I've killed them more times than I can count.
bigjim:If more people had a clue and understood Animal (DOG) behavior as that of pack animals and quit projecting human emotion and motivations on to dogs this would not be an issue.
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Yeah, anthropomorphism is a very odd human trait. Then again, I bet the dog is projecting dog emotions and motivations onto us.

Would that be canispomorphism? ;)
 
Yeah, anthropomorphism is a very odd human trait. Then again, I bet the dog is projecting dog emotions and motivations onto us.
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Yes but dogs are stupid they have a excuse.
 
If you had to -- had to -- choose between your pet's life and the life of a total stranger, which would you choose? Say you had a split second to grab either your beloved Fluffybutt or some strange man from of a raging, flooded river.
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If he handed me the dog first, I would think about it. I learned in life saving training that a drowning person will grab on to anything, especially you, when desparate to stay afloat. You have to grab them in a disabling way. You know, spin them around and grab them across the chest. There is nothing particularly noble or higher level species about that. It's all natural. If he had to pull me in to get a hold for getting out, he would do it.
 
I love my dog. Can't stand most people. I'd take fluffybutt in a second, sorry. Then again, if I had been God, I probably wouldn't have even bothered with Noah and given humanity a second chance...
 
Those of you who judge humans of inherently greater worth than other animals are practicing speciesism, which like other forms of discrimination, you are fee to do. Just don't expect others to join you in your views. I have no expectation that you'll join me in mine, so lets just leave it at that.
Wow. You'd choose a dog/cat over a fellow human being. Look I'm not trying to start a fight or create any bad feelings -- honestly -- but I just cannot wrap my brain around that. I honestly feel like I'm trying to understand the emotions of an alien species.
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When I adopted my animals, either from a shelter or purchased at a shop (the fish), I accepted the responsibility for their care and well being for the rest of their lives. I never accepted such responsibility for a stanger, nor do I expect it from others for MY well being. Granted the fish would be different than the cats, since they are still wild animals, even if they are captive breed.
Then you should be charge with neglegent homicide.
Leaveing a human being to die in order to save a dog should result in jail time.
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Well, that may be your opinion, but I think we all know the old saw about those....
 
Tenntucker,

Your posts are a strong arguement that Noah was right to do so.
 
Those of you who judge humans of inherently greater worth than other animals are practicing speciesism, which like other forms of discrimination, you are fee to do
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LOL! No hierarchy of life eh? So a person, a goat, a cockroach, a little brine shrimp….. All the same. What about a unborn human? Where does it fit in your "world"?
 
What about a unborn human? Where does it fit in your "world"?
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Nope, not gonna touch that one here. Raise the question on APS and I'll reply.
No hierarchy of life eh?
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If by that you mean one that places some animals over others by the nature of what they are, then no. Such is a gross oversimplification of the relationships different forms of life have with each others. The Puma eats the rabbit, which eats the grass, which eats the puma after it dies and sinks into the earth via decay. Which is on top? :D
I take it that you're either a vegetarian or see nothing wrong with canibalism.
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Nope, not any more. Fish and shrimp are just too darn tasty. Cannibalism is a horse of another, more complex, color.
 
This dilemma will only come up in a country where most people are well-fed and underprepared for reality i.e. the United States. The space that a "pet" takes up is space that should have been used for another human being. Any shelter resources i.e. food and water should have been used for a human being first. When all human beings are taken care of, then one can be concerned about an animal.

Dogs are food in most of Asia and Africa, cats are food in much of Asia, horses are food in much of Middle East and Europe, rabbits are food pretty much everywhere but liberal households, etc.

Where does one draw the line on a "non-human family member"? Goldfish? Hamster? Guinea pig? Chimpanzee? Ant farm? Flea circus? Does a pet rock count (mine weighs 20lbs)?

I have nothing but sympathy for people who lost pets during the disaster, but better them than another human being.

Bottom line is that an animal is a tool which can be used for defense, offense, entertainment, companionship or yes, a food source, but it is not a "family member".
 
If by that you mean one that places some animals over others by the nature of what they are, then no. Such is a gross oversimplification of the relationships different forms of life have with each others. The Puma eats the rabbit, which eats the grass, which eats the puma after it dies and sinks into the earth via decay. Which is on top?
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I saw Walt Disneys Lion king too. I too liked that song Circle of life, it had a catchy tune.

ehhemmmm..... you do know that was just a cartoon and animals don't talk right?

But for a straight answer to your question... Easy the Puma its highest on the food chain.

Now here is a riddle for you. A bear and a rabbit were both pooping in the woods. The bear asked the rabbit if he had trouble with poop sticking to his fur. The rabbit said no...... What do you think the bear did next? :D

Which one came out on top?
 
I'm going to expand on what scubie02 alluded to. Noah took the animals and left the people. Smart man that Noah.
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haha yep, pretty much my sentiment exactly haha

and I'd like to expand on what someone else just said, and say I find alot of humans to be tools as well...
 
Perspective

Bottom line is that an animal is a tool which can be used for defense, offense, entertainment, companionship or yes, a food source, but it is not a "family member".
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Let's have a little perspective here.

Would you sacrifice your pet snake to save Hillary Clinton?

Your pet rat to save Chuck Schumer?

Would you quit beating your dead horse to save Nancy Pelosi?

I gotta go with Noah on this. :evil:
 
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