There was no optimism that I'm aware of - not from Ruger anyway. There have been several independent reviews in which they got around 1 MOA. I would assume the rifles were benched, but I don't know offhand. I may be able to look some up a bit later.
Pistol caliber carbine poll / semi-autos only
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chicharrones... here are pics of my 3
Kel-Tec Sub2000 M&P 9mm
Just Right Carbine - Glock 9mm
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Kel-Tec Sub2000 M&P 9mm
Just Right Carbine - Glock 9mm
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Love this thread. I've got the scratch put away for a new Ruger. Just waiting until production and prices stabilize.
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I got an email today saying mine are on the way. I will be sure to do measurements on the magazine well and tungsten weight to help gauge if a 45 ACP version is possible.on the current action
I also want to measure the volume of all those holes in the tungsten weight and figure out how much additional weight is possible for more powerful calibers. (Imagine if Ruger had numbered the weight for the 9mm as "5" just to screw with us.)
I'm not completely convinced that the action is large enough for 45 Auto and 10mm Auto, but 40 S&W and 357 Sig conversions would be possible on a "short" PCC action. Ruger may have decided that making one big enough for the larger calibers would add too much bulk and weight for a 9mm. Getting one in hand and measuring will give us a better idea.
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The only cartridge of interest to me would be 9mm or mabey 45 acp. Anything else is too expensive for ammo or brass to really be interesting compared to a rifle. It's easy to say "well if only they made one in 37 caliber Rhodesian magnum then I would buy 20 of them" but what is the real reason why 9mm Luger is the wrong cartridge considering it's the most popular pistol caliber 5 times over?
There is always that quest for the magic bullet.
Something like .327 Federal Magnum that works in a handgun but also works in a rifle out to longer ranges. Maybe the 7.5 FK BRNO, maybe the FN Five-seveN or even 357 Sig.
I don't know, but the imperfect 9mm always seems to outsell them all
Something like .327 Federal Magnum that works in a handgun but also works in a rifle out to longer ranges. Maybe the 7.5 FK BRNO, maybe the FN Five-seveN or even 357 Sig.
I don't know, but the imperfect 9mm always seems to outsell them all
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I don't think it's the wrong cartridge for Ruger. May be for some who would prefer 45 or 10 but my guess, like yours, is they would be looking at something else anyway. Personally, I'm looking at all the options and probably 45 acp.
One more reason to standardize your cartridges and stick with the plan.
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CraigC
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Y'all are gonna make me bench test my Scorpion this week.
For me, a 10mm chambering changes the whole purpose for the rifle. Would make an excellent 100yd, general purpose deer/varmint rifle.
For me, a 10mm chambering changes the whole purpose for the rifle. Would make an excellent 100yd, general purpose deer/varmint rifle.
CoalTrain49
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Y'all are gonna make me bench test my Scorpion this week.
For me, a 10mm chambering changes the whole purpose for the rifle. Would make an excellent 100yd, general purpose deer/varmint rifle.
It sure would If you want to run max spec (37,000 psi) ammo in it. Don't expect your bolt to hold up very long though. 10mm is reaching the limits of blowback carbines because of the bolt weight required for a 30% safety factor. Probably why you won't see many being made. 45 acp makes a lot more sense because the bolts can weigh about a half a pound less. Blowback has its limitations.
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Well, I would assume that if Ruger made one, it would be made right.
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This was a thread about 10 years ago here.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/10mm-carbines-is-it-too-difficult.237380/page-2
Not much has changed on the 10 mm carbine scene since then. The market looks like 9mm, and maybe 45 acp. although it looks like Beretta dropped it's 45 and the USC is gone.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/10mm-carbines-is-it-too-difficult.237380/page-2
Not much has changed on the 10 mm carbine scene since then. The market looks like 9mm, and maybe 45 acp. although it looks like Beretta dropped it's 45 and the USC is gone.
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adcoch1
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I'd like to have the option in the ruger carbine to run it in 9mm and 40 cal, doesn't need to be a 10mm for me to enjoy it. But i would for sure get the 10mm kit if they offer one...
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My Marlin M45 is a very decent hunting carbine, my +P loads drive the Hornady 200 HP to about 1250 fps - which equals the rifle ballistics of the .44-40 WCF. The latter was proven to be a very good short range hunting cartridge, the slightly larger diameter bullet of the .45 Auto only makes it better. The 200 Hornady bullet holds up well at this velocity giving good penetration and expansion on deer and hogs. Too bad the Marlin was discontinued, warts and all.
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I don't know what's out now, but my Special Weapons SW5, HK94/MP5 Clone came with the 16" barrel. The SW45 (45 ACP) also came with a 16".
I thought some of the Zeniths came with the 16".
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OK, so I snapped a couple of pics of the Beretta Storm along side a couple of other carbines. PCC and otherwise...
My two Storms, 9MM and 40 S&W
The MP5 clone
The AR SBR
The PS90
A little Old and a little New, the Rossi '92
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Beretta did really well in the design of the CX4 series. I was intrigued from the first time I saw it in a gun rag. Then I handled one, wow, just wow, I thought. Then I fired some rounds through one at the range. I was hooked. I bought one that week or next. It quickly became my carbine of choice for range time.
I was speaking more to the 10mm, of which I'm not aware of any 16" versions ever being made. Omega is probably the best choice if you're looking for a production rather than a custom 10mm MP5, and they have the 8.8" barrels like the original Hk's do.
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