Hawk
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There's a lot more lever action pistol caliber carbines being brought up than I would have guessed.
Interesting.
Interesting.
- they are very accurate out to 50 yards
50 yard or more and you'll have a hard time arguing to the prosecuting attourney it was self defense
I'd rather take a head shot on a BG with a hostage with a long gun.
As would I. I haven't yet encountered a 50 yard living room but I'd rather use a .223 at that range. My point was at those ranges, on most properties, the guy is well off your land (in a suburban setting). If I was shot at, I'd return fire also.
- usually provide more performance than a pistol of the same caliber
Pistol caliber rounds are optimized for pistol length barrels. They may offer a few more fps but it shouldn't affect performance
More FPS is always good.
I can't argue with more fps but if the tradeoff is going from a small pistol to a long gun that requires both hands I'd reconsider caliber
- you can hang lights and lasers off them more easily than a pistol
That's very important if you are a mall ninja
Every defensive gun should have a flash light on it. Lasers work pretty well in the dark too.
I guess the "hang lights and lasers off them" part got me. Sounds mall ninja. A light is a necessity on a long gun since your hands are occupied although the idea of giving something to shoot at before you find the BG is up for debate.
- a sling frees the users hands - a pistol is either in your hand or in a holster
True, but you shouldn't take your hands off your weapon in a serious situation
Sometimes you have to take your hand/s off the gun.
What I'm referring to here is something like opening a doorknob. Swinging a long gun with one hand isn't easy, even if it's on a sling. Calling 911 if you got the guy to surrender would be easier with a sling (imagine trying to do that without one) but you should still keep your firing hand and the muzzle on the BG.
- carbines can be easier to shoot well than a pistol especially for people who don't practice a lot.
That's true but there's also the argument that it makes it easier for the BG to take the gun away from you (if you get that close, which hopefully you won't) especially if you don't have the upper body strength to retain it. you also can't really fire from retention.
The long gun is easier to retain in a gun grab situation.
You have more leverage. So does the bad guy. That's fine if you are a full sized male. A 100lb woman might find it taken away from her rather quickly. A handgun you can tuck in close to your body and fire instead of trying to get the muzzle pointed back at the BG while his hands are on the barrel.[/QUOTE]
- you can hang lights and lasers off them more easily than a pistol
That's very important if you are a mall ninja
isnt the .30 carbine cartridge just about the same thing as a .357 sig? i mean, they do the same job dont they?
--Better light mounting and sighting options
How would you have more control over expansion? You may have a better chance of a good expansion, but I dunno about control. I bring this up not to contradict you, but rather in hopes of learning something new.--More control over bullet expansion and hence less overpentration risks