Police taser, shoot, kill Marine home from Iraq.

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Witnesses: Police lacked cause to kill suspect
'He didn't deserve to be shot. He wasn't any kind of threat.'
By LEE WILLIAMS, The News Journal
Posted Thursday, March 22, 2007
Fred Mixson, standing on the steps where Derek J. Hale was killed, was working nearby on the day of the shooting. "They could have grabbed him," Mixson said.(Buy photo) The News Journal/DAN GARROW
Derek Hale

The 25-year-old man shot to death last week by a Wilmington officer never threatened police, according to five witnesses working nearby and a sixth witness standing next to the victim when the confrontation began.

Derek J. Hale, a U.S. Marine who served two tours in Iraq, died on the front steps at 1403 W. Sixth St. after a Wilmington police officer fired three .40-caliber rounds into his chest. He was killed after receiving multiple shocks from electronic Tasers.

"He didn't deserve to be shot. He wasn't any kind of threat," said Fred Mixson, 53, a contractor working in the home next door who watched the shooting unfold from across the narrow street. From the initial confrontation with police to the fatal shooting, only two to three minutes elapsed, witnesses said.

Four members of Mixson's work crew witnessed the shooting from a variety of angles and distances, although Mixson was the only one interviewed by investigators after the shooting and the only one willing to allow his name to be used for this article.

But in interviews with The News Journal last week, all five said Hale did not pose a threat.

"No matter what his background was, he didn't deserve that," Mixson said. "They had him surrounded. They could have grabbed him."

The News Journal canvassed the neighborhood. Residents across the street and living next door said they either were away or saw nothing of the events.

Police said Hale, who had recently joined the Pagans Motorcycle Club, was a "person of interest" in a recent drug investigation conducted by the Delaware State Police. The U.S. Department of Justice classifies the Pagans as an outlaw motorcycle gang with a history of violence and drug offenses, but Hale, police have said, has no arrest record in Delaware. At the time of his death, Hale had a valid permit in Virginia to carry concealed weapons, according to the clerk of Circuit Court in Manassas.

Concealed-carry permits in Virginia are issued only to people who never have been convicted of a felony, narcotics or a domestic violence charge and who have no history of mental illness or substance abuse.

Two days before the shooting, officers searched the residence as part of a wide-ranging drug and weapons investigation and had charged the owner. According to a written statement by state police, Hale was seen Nov. 6 moving items from inside the house to a vehicle and officers "had reason to believe he was preparing to flee." Mixson said he saw Hale place a large Tupperware container into the vehicle.

"It was during the attempt to take Hale into custody outside of the residence that a confrontation ensued, and Hale was fatally shot," police said. Hale never displayed a weapon, police said, but a spokesman for the Wilmington police said officers found a can of pepper spray and a switchblade knife in Hale's pockets after the shooting.

Hale's stepbrother, Jason Singleton, who lives in Missouri, never knew his brother to carry a switchblade. "The last time I saw Derek, he had a small Swiss Army knife. To my knowledge, I've never seen Derek with anything like a switchblade."

In a written statement issued last week, Wilmington police Master Sgt. Steven Elliott said Hale was shot three times because an "officer in close proximity to the developments feared for the safety of his fellow officers and believed that the suspect was in a position to pose an imminent threat. That officer then utilized deadly force."

Wilmington police denied a request from The News Journal for their use-of-force policy, which addresses how and when officers may use deadly force and less-than-lethal weapons such as Tasers. They cited an August 2005 Freedom of Information request in which the Attorney General's Office found that the policies are not public documents.

Asked if Hale ever threatened the officers, Elliott said in an interview last week: "In a sense, when he did not comply with their commands" to show him his hands. Wilmington police Chief Michael Szczerba did not respond to calls, e-mails or messages left with his staff about the shooting, although Elliott handled press calls after the incident.

Friday night, John Rago, spokesman for Wilmington Mayor James M. Baker, issued a "joint statement" attributed to Baker, Szczerba and Public Safety Director James N. Mosley.

"The incident that occurred in the 1400 Block of West 6th Street is being investigated internally by both the Wilmington Police Department and City Solicitor's Office," the statement reads. "All information from those investigations will be shared with the Delaware Attorney General's Office which conducts its own investigation and issues its own determination of the action of the officer involved. This is standard practice with regard to shootings involving police officers to ensure that all matters related to the incident are given a thorough review."

The News Journal informed city and police officials that it had received eyewitness accounts that questioned the need for Hale's shooting. In his written statement, Rago said: "If the News Journal, or any other organization or individual, has information regarding this incident that can be helpful to the investigation, it is recommended that they present that information to the Wilmington Police Department, the City Solicitor's Office or to the Delaware Attorney General's Office to aid in the thoroughness of the investigation."

On Monday, Nov. 6, Mixson arrived at the 1400 block of W. Sixth St. just before 4 p.m., quitting time for his work crew, which was renovating one of the row houses next door to the shooting.

Mixson parked across the narrow street from 1403 and was standing by the driver's door of his work van when a black SUV sped up the wrong way of the one-way street and screeched to a halt in the middle of the road.

Several police officers jumped out and ran to where Hale was sitting on the steep steps of 1403, approximately six feet higher than the sidewalk.

Mixson and his crew had barely noticed Hale before he was confronted by police. Hale, they said, was chatting with Sandra Lopez and two children at the top of a 10-step concrete stoop. Hale was seated on the third step from the top. Mixson and another witness were standing across the street from 1403, while others were on the sidewalk in front of a row house adjacent to the site of the shooting.

The officers ordered Hale to take his hands out of the front pockets of his hooded sweat shirt.

"About a second later, they Tasered him," Mixson recalled. "He was just sitting there. He didn't do anything."

A compressed air charge in the Taser cartridge launched two metal barbs, attached to wires trailing back to the hand-held device, at a speed of more than 160 feet per second. On impact, a strong electric charge was carried into Hale's body, which caused what the manufacturer, Taser International, describes as "an immediate loss of the person's neuromuscular control and the ability to perform coordinated action for the duration of the impulse."

The witnesses said Hale shook violently from the charge, as if sitting on an electric chair. His right hand came out of the front of his sweat shirt and was shaking violently.

Seconds later, police repeated their command for Hale to show them his hands, and they Tasered him a second time.

Mixson and others said Hale, who was still seated on the steps, rolled onto his left side and vomited into a flower bed.

"My brother yelled at the police that this was overkill. That this was crazy," Mixson said. "They told him to 'shut ... up,' or they'd show him overkill."

Hale rolled back to his right, into a sitting position, still shaking, and police Tasered him a third time, Mixson said.

Lopez, who lived at the home where Hale was killed and was talking to Hale when police arrived, told her attorney Hale was trying to show police his hands. Lopez was standing with her two young children until police ordered her to move.
 
This incident happened back in November, actually. I think the latest is that the family has filed suit.
 
Master Sgt. Steven Elliott said Hale was shot three times because an "officer in close proximity to the developments feared for the safety of his fellow officers and believed that the suspect was in a position to pose an imminent threat. That officer then utilized deadly force."

:eek:

If being in a position to pose an imminent threat is cause for the police to shoot, then the police can kill anyone, anytime.

Sounds like a bad shoot.
 
Who knows, really.

However I believe this is Wilmington, NC?

Isn't that where a certain police chief from Nebraska was suspected to be involved in certain criminal activities?

Oh dear, what was his name. Was it Wadman?

Hmm, rings a bell...

[EDIT] Oh, sorry. This looks like Wilmington Delaware.

Note to Self: Stay out of ALL towns named Wilmington...
 
I believe it's Wilmington, Delaware. I recall this incident because I'm from there, and so it caught my eye when the news first came out.
 
Arfin:

I Googled this up while trying to find more info about the incident: http://www.delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070324/NEWS/703240357/1006/NEWS


The upshot is that the family has filed a wrongful death suit against the officers.

The Wilmington PD is stating that they are confident in the conduct of the officers, and their eventual vindication in an "this unfortunate circumstance of protecting our communities and enforcing the law." It was stated at one point that Hale threatened the police officers "in a sense" by not complying with their instructions. It's not unexpected, though--they're avoiding any extensive comment on pending litigation, which is appropriate.


Edit: I referred to the wrong police agency. It's the Wilmington Police, not the Delaware State Police.
 
Ah, the War on Drugs and Guns claims yet another victim, 'innocent' or no...
:(
 
Maybe this will be the straw...


Sooner or later "the people" are going to decide that enough is enough. "The people" are already pushing back politically, vocally. It's reached national notice now. I for one am weary of trying to convince those in law enforcement that they are about to push the people past their breaking points. They just simply don't care. Maybe pay some lip service, but no real change. You would have to be stupid to not notice the overwhelming undercurrent of distrust and disdain for law enforcement in this country. Heck you here coversations about it in line at the grocery store anymore. Don't worry though, some DMF types will be along shortly to explain that the majority of the people in this country are cop bashers, cop haters, are too dumb to understand the stress they are under, should be thankful for the 'level of service' they are getting, and the rest of the usual fluff they toss out. Bleh.




I.C.
 
The part that really pumps up the blood pressure for me is where the surveillance team is telling the JBT's that he is no threat and not armed. And yet they storm in anyway! :banghead: :cuss: :fire:

I couldn't control my actions if that kid were my son...
 
No, i. calm, this sounds like a bad shoot. A bunch of us who are readily described as pro-cop see quite a difference between a lot of the drug war garbage and "our" street cops. (Here in Texas, I have my own gripes against the agents from our Alcoholic Beverage Commission. Mucho gestapo-like behavior, these last forty years of my own eyeballing.)

Art
 
pick your box...

A very bad situation from any standpoint. Someone died needlessly and someone killed needlessly and the wreckage from that act will careen through many lives down through the years. It is however, a symptom of a much larger problem. A good friend of mine says societal change comes from one of three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, or the cartridge box. Pick one.
 
If things really went down as I read, then the shooter should be put away for a long time. I'd like to see what the internal investigation showed.
 
I couldn't control my actions if that kid were my son...

Amen to that. If this happened to someone in my family, the other member(s) would be in jail or the morgue afterward, not giving interviews to the media.
 
If being in a position to pose an imminent threat is cause for the police to shoot, then the police can kill anyone, anytime.

Sounds like a bad shoot.

My thoughts exactly. It sounds like the cops shot because the young Marine didnt defer to their "authority", not because he necessarily did anything illegal. Very sad that another life was lost to a bad shoot.

And whats worse is that the PD is supporting these guys, and they'll likely never be held accountable.
 
Member of a violent criminal organization . . .

Known to have weapons . . .

Won't show his hands even after being hit with a TASER . . .

I'm not saying this is a good shoot, or bad shoot, but I will say it's not nearly as clear cut as some of you want to claim.
 
Won't show his hands even after being hit with a TASER . . .

Perhaps he simply couldn't:

A compressed air charge in the Taser cartridge launched two metal barbs, attached to wires trailing back to the hand-held device, at a speed of more than 160 feet per second. On impact, a strong electric charge was carried into Hale's body, which caused what the manufacturer, Taser International, describes as "an immediate loss of the person's neuromuscular control and the ability to perform coordinated action for the duration of the impulse."
 
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