Protestors march against more secure U.S. border

[Cuda]

longeyes

I would like to believe the Germany in the '30s parallel is far-fetched. I don't think it is.

Unfortunately there are two many parallels. After WWI and the destruction of Germany the new gov. very left and wanting all to feel better essentially allowed anything to go. The society of Germany became very much like our left in that anything was ok to do. Lacking in all moral fibers (IMO).. The nazis came in and restored order and the rest is a history I hope never happens in the USA...


C

 

[Ira Aten]

"Plan of San Diego" Tee Shirts

Has anyone noticed in these "immigration" protests, the "Plan of San Diego" Tee shirts worn by many of these "marchers"?

I wonder if many Americans underestand what the "Plan of San Diego" refers to? (Bear with me, as it requires some explanation, but it refers to a plot to overthrow the U.S. Government)

The Plan of San Diego* was discovered in 1915 by Cameron County Texas Sheriff Tom Mayfield when arresting one intoxicated gentleman named Basillio Ramos (alias B.R. Garcia) in the Guerrera store in McAllen, Texas. Ramos was carrying papers which revealed a plan to overthrow the United States Government.

The "Plan of San Diego" called for an uprising on February 20, 1915 at two o'clock in the morning, wherein all Mexicans were to rise in arms against the U.S. Government, declare independence, and kill every North American male over the age of sixteen years, "after having extracted all his loans or funds".

The plotters Army would be called "The Liberating Army for Races and People" and the red flag with its white diagonal fringe would bear the inscription "Equality and Indepence".

Funds would be provided by levies on captured towns, and state governments would be set up in the existing state capitals. The papers Ramos carried authorized him (according to the plans signators) to organize lodges or juntas, and to award commissions appointing leaders in these five states.

Flash forward about 90 years, and you have "marchers" wearing Tee Shirts at immigration policy protests, bearing the words "Plan of San Diego".

My point is as this. If anyone were wearing a Tee Shirt advocating the overthrow of the Government while at an NRA rally or Gun Show, they would probably be thrown so far back in jail you'd have to shoot beans to them with a slingshot.

But here we have hundreds of people at protests walking around doing that very thing by wearing "Plan of San Diego" Tee shirts.

Anyway, I just thought I would point this out, that the "Plan of San Diego" Tee Shirts and references on signs saying "Plan of San Diego" actually advocate the killing of all North American males over the age of sixteen, and taking over the government of these five states listed. I have listed below, sources to verify the facts I have placed on this post.


* The plan of San Diego, along with investigative testimony is preserved in the Texas State Library Archives, but this information can readly be verified on pages 484-485 of "The Texas Rangers, a Century of Frontier Defense" written by Mr. Walter Prescott Webb' and published by the University of Texas Press at Austin, Texas.

 

[bg]

Piffle.

That "legal/illegal" dichotomy is just a smokescreen for people who don't want any kind of immigrants, period.

Want proof? Here it is:

What would you say to simply abolishing most immigration laws, making it much easier for new immigrants to enter America?

(Listen for the screams ... here they come.)

pax

That's not true in my case. I have nothing against
immigration. However I do want people who come here
to do it legally. Go through the immigration process
as they're suppose to. It's as simple as that.

I also believe the immigration process should be stream
lined in such a way as to allow for a more simpler and
quicker process.

 

[Cuda]

Cuda wanted all illegals on death row executed immediately

Ok I'll modify my stance on this one..

Let them free so they can visit you. They're just misguided and did'nt mean to hurt anyone..

C

 

[Biker]

Now that is interesting, Ira. I'll have to do a bit of digging. If you have some links, you could save me some time.
Biker

 

[Manedwolf]

I want to ask EVEYONE to look at this website: http://www.aztlan.net/

Homeland Security needs to quit worrying about interdicting Canadian prescriptions going to old people, and get their their noses into that site.

 

[Cuda]

I want to ask EVEYONE to look at this website: http://www.aztlan.net/

They really don't like the Jews!!!


C

 

[jlseagull]

They're just misguided and did'nt mean to hurt anyone..

No middle ground? You sound rational. Apparently the current legal process is not good enough for illegals? We need to create a second system? How about a 3rd, more lenient one for churchgoers?

They really don't like the Jews!!!

You mean a blogger hates a minority? Call Drudge and hold the front page!

 

[Cuda]

No middle ground? You sound rational. Apparently the current legal process is not good enough for illegals?

You're absolutely correct, no middle ground. They are not American citizens and I'll say it again slowly. They do not have the same rights or privileges afforded U.S. citizens by our Constitution and ammendments.. Why do you keep thinking they do??

I got news for you, your side won't win this battle. There are two few of you who pander to the criminals YES CRIMINALS to be anything but background noise. The American public will rise up on this issue and take their country back from the illegals and those like you who support them..

C

 

[jlseagull]

Cuda -

You have 1 judicial system. Not several. I've been very clear about this... if you don't want someone to be tried under the US judicial system.... deport them. If you try them here, you try them under the same laws and procedures that everyone uses.

"All men are created equal, but some are more equal than others" is not a line our forefathers used, although you would warp our country's ideology to change that.

 

[bowfin]

I think it is important for everybody to realize that the illegals, by disregarding our laws and our borders, are recreating in this country what they claim they are fleeing in their own.

There is no practical reason that on the surface, Mexico is so much poorer than the United States. Obviously, the people are willing to work long and hard, unlike Frenchmen. They have plenty of oil, and plenty of fertile ground, with a longer growing season than even most of the U.S. They have no worrisome neighbors that they have to spend large amounts of their budget on defense. They are not bogged down with terrorists, largescale ethic strife, or religious discord. The people of Mexico have a democratic government and a capitalistic society, same as almost every wealthy country

So what is the problem? Lawlessness and corruption. A Democratic government is not very good once it is sold to the highest bidder. A capitalistic type economy is of no use when bribes are the driving force, not a free market. Add on a layer of corrupt police and military forces, and this paradise becomes a Hell even worse than North Korea, because at least in North Korea, everyone suffers, there is no Drug lord speeding down the street in his Escalade to his seaside villa, rubbing it in your face that he got ahead by ignoring the laws.

So how are many Mexicans hoping to solve this problem? Cross the borders illegally. Pay good money to someone for fake documents, hire a Coyote to get them across illegally, maybe mule some drugs for him also so he takes something off the bill. Use a phony work record to get a loan to buy a car, get insurance so you can register it, then cancel the insurance, since you can't use it anyhow. If you hit someone, take off on foot. Bribe the courthouse clerk to get a driver's license. Go along with whoever hires you in breaking any workplace laws and maybe get paid in cash, so they don't have to pay taxes. Hide for him when the INS shows up, so neither of you get into trouble. In short, come to the U.S and promulgate the same sort of things that you claim drove you away from Mexico and here in the first place. Then go home around Christmas, with a wad of cash from your El Norte job, and rub it in the face of everybody around, showing them you got ahead by ignoring the law. Wait a minute, where did we see that before?

 

[carlrodd]

noted Ira. the very fact that summary identification checks and detainments weren't made on the spot is troubling enough...many of the protesters were, after all, there illegally. the more i hear about the lengths to which these illegal aliens and their deluded supporters went to to all but declare that they intend to invade our country, the less amazed i am.

the most outlandish scene in this whole tragi-comedy, is when paragon of morality, spirituality, honesty and sincerity, Hillary Clinton, claimed that under the proposed legislation Jesus would have been a criminal. Aside from the lunacy of trying to correlate 2,000 year-old near eastern history with our present situation, i am quite sure that the messiah would prefer Hillary to refrain from speaking on his behalf.

 

[Jammer Six]

Blackdragon, if there were an easier, simpler, cheaper path to citizenship, wouldn't you take it?

Tell me, do you make us stronger or weaker by being here?

That the mob is comprised of people who have no legal right to be in the U.S., let alone assemble, peaceably or no, doesn't matter.

There it is again. The suggestion that immigrants have no rights.

The right to assembly, then, isn't an inalienable right, that came from God, but rather a privilage, granted by the federal government?

I mean, if it's an inalienable right, why would God only grant it to some people?

how in the world did they manage to get so many people out on the street anyway? why couldn't we do the same?

Because they have a worthy cause, and you have, well, the minutemen.

(I was SO tempted to say the waitaminute men...)

And because going up against half a million with a few dozen, a few thousand or a few tens of thousands is just a bad idea.

The Big Boys have been trying to stifle the voices on the right that would counteract all this.

Other than a steam locamotive from the 1930s, what, exactly, is a "Big Boy"?

What it will take is for someone to arise to lay out the problem with visceral impact. Someone, perhaps, who can make Americans understand their country's being stolen from them, that, more concretely, they may lose their home to confiscatory taxation, their children's education and hopes of good employment, etc.

That might work if it were, say, true...

We are on the verge of big things happening.

Yes, we are. De facto citizenship is about to be recognized, and our borders are finally about to be opened.

We get stronger every time an immigrant crosses the borders.

 

[Ira Aten]

Quote "Now that is interesting, Ira. I'll have to do a bit of digging. If you have some links, you could save me some time.
Biker


Biker: Here is one link to the University of Texas online handbook dealing with it.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/PP/ngp4.html


You can Google search "Plan of San Diego + Texas" and will find many sites dealing with it. But most of my research is from books I have on the subject dealing with the Texas border during 1824 through the 1930's.

(San Diego was San Diego Texas, not California)

 

[jlseagull]

Aside from the lunacy of trying to correlate 2,000 year-old near eastern history with our present situation, i am quite sure that the messiah would prefer Hillary to refrain from speaking on his behalf.

Jesus H. Christ - Apllication #228287826
30-some-year old of unknown parentage, middle-eastern decent. Disappeared from record for nearly 2 decades while travelling the middle east.
Questionable ties to radical religious groups.
No technical skills, some basic woodworking.
No family, and has a tribal group of 13 who have appeared with him on many occasions. They claim follow him, with the goal of setting up cells worldwide.

WORK VISA REJECTED.

 

[Biker]

Thanks Ira!
Biker

 

[Ira Aten]

One more link

Biker:
Here is one more, and notice the guys with the tee shirt, and red flag.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=7153

 

[ArmedBear]

It would be a tad easier to take San Diego, TX than to try and pull that off here.

But oh, please! Please try it!

I'm sick of all the cowardly blabbermouth Mechistas. Let 'em put their money where their mouths are. And they'd better figure out where the hell they can find .38 Super ammo.

 

[carlrodd]

You have 1 judicial system. Not several. I've been very clear about this... if you don't want someone to be tried under the US judicial system.... deport them. If you try them here, you try them under the same laws and procedures that everyone uses. -jlseagull

i agree with that. who here has been arguing that they should be tried here though? i though the consensus was that they should be sent home, en masse. illegal aliens have no rights in our system. as far as i am concerned, that means they don't even have the right to a trial at all. they have the right to be detained and deported in a way that is respectful of their safety and dignity. it's not difficult to identify someone as being here legally or not. either they can produce the papers or they cannot.

 

[Biker]

Jammer Six
Illegal aliens do not have the same rights as U.S. citizens and God doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.
Biker

 

[engineer151515]

..............

 

[carlrodd]

Jesus H. Christ - Apllication #228287826
30-some-year old of unknown parentage, middle-eastern decent. Disappeared from record for nearly 2 decades while travelling the middle east.
Questionable ties to radical religious groups.
No technical skills, some basic woodworking.
No family, and has a tribal group of 13 who have appeared with him on many occasions. They claim follow him, with the goal of setting up cells worldwide.

WORK VISA REJECTED. -jlseagul

very creative, but again....lunacy.

 

[jlseagull]

Here is one more, and notice the guys with the tee shirt, and red flag.
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=7153

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You are reading from a rebel group trying to take advantage of World War I to drive their cause. I bet you can find all sorts of rebel groups who dreamt of big plans in the open stages of WWI or WWII.

 

[Cuda]

You have 1 judicial system. Not several. I've been very clear about this... if you don't want someone to be tried under the US judicial system.... deport them. If you try them here, you try them under the same laws and procedures that everyone uses.

Unfortunately in this twisted country we have many. One for the poor, rich, politician, then one for the average joe like many of us on this board..

I said in an earlier post, immediately carry out sentence, which by the way was handed down to the illegal criminal by our justice system. So what's the problem with what I said. I suggest it's your unwillingness to execute death row inmates. No your solution is to deport them regardless of their crime.

I will grant you they deserve a speedy trial with all protections under our laws. Ok I'll give you that. But then I want the sentence carried out. To deport a murderer, rapist, kidnapper only to have them back in a few weeks is just ridiculous and shows the flaw in you feelgood attitude towards these people..

"All men are created equal, but some are more equal than others" is not a line our forefathers used, although you would warp our country's ideology to change that.

Please don't put words/thoughts/deeds in my mouth. I believe all men are created equally. And by the way it's people on the left who have warped the meaning of our Constitution. (It's a living document) crap.
But that's a topic for another day..

C

 

[ArmedBear]

Funny thing is, anyone who actually owned any land in California when it changed hands got to keep it. The names of the ranchero families are still the names of towns and whole areas of California.

Real estate chains of title in California go all the way back to the Spanish king. Oh yeah, Mexico wasn't exactly its own country then, either. Maybe the reconquistas want to return California to Spain?

In 1846, the population of Alta California was about 10,000 Mexicans, an unknown number of Amerindians, and about 2,000 foreigners.

The people who want California "back" never had any claim on the land to begin with. And to this day, they have exactly the same right to buy a piece of it that anyone else does.