Rare cap and ball revolvers, please show and do tell! Here’s mine

[Mark_Mark]

I kidda like it!!! but why the holes in the frame?!?!?!

if I was to lightweight 45C, I would turn the barrel down. Do a Carbon-fiber epoxy wrap, cut off the tigger guard, flute the barrel, make ejector rod from Plastic

 

[hawg]

I kidda like it!!! but why the holes in the frame?!?!?!

if I was to lightweight 45C, I would turn the barrel down. Do a Carbon-fiber epoxy wrap, cut off the tigger guard, flute the barrel, make ejector rod from Plastic

To show the action working.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Hawger is correct, it's really a "shop tool" like the other two I did for Walt. This one's mine ( we traded ) so now I have a shop tool. It's fully functional/fire-able ( so, no plastics here!!! Lol !!)

The hammer was an exorcize in gaining back lock speed from a lightened main spring. Obviously that's not allowed for the cowboy shooters but I figured out another way to do that. This will allow me to "test bed" the hammer without swapping one out of my regular shooters. I just figured it'd be "rare" since I haven't seen any "holie hammers" pictured before.

Mike

 

[Jim Watson]

Maybe not in C&B, but drilled hammers in target revolvers were a known tweak.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Maybe not in C&B, but drilled hammers in target revolvers were a known tweak.

Yessir, that's where I got that from. Also taught myself that a slight upward bend of the end of the main spring gives a nice little "added smack" for percussion revolvers.

Mike

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Can you send me picture of the bend? Are you afraid of breaking the spring?

 

[woodnbow]

I kidda like it!!! but why the holes in the frame?!?!?!

if I was to lightweight 45C, I would turn the barrel down. Do a Carbon-fiber epoxy wrap, cut off the tigger guard, flute the barrel, make ejector rod from Plastic

Gaaack!!! Don’t even speak the words!!

 

[Fingers McGee]

I've got a few pistols that could be classified as rare or one of a kind. First up is a Gregorelli & Uberti Lech and Rigdon Sheriffs model that was made in: 1961 and is like new never fired:

Second is a Allen/Uberti stainless steel 1851 Navy Sherifs model made in 1985. Unfired NIB with the box.

Third would be a Pietta engraved 1851 Sheriffs model in the white made in 1998:

 

[Bibbyman]

Fingers! Good to hear from you. Did the groundhog push you out of his hole?

 

[ClemBert]

I would not classify EN Santa Barbara as rare but maybe not readily available. Here are a couple of mine:

 

[hawg]

I dunno how rare they are but you don't see them much anymore. A Rigarmi Remington made in 1969. Defarbed and aged.

 

[ClemBert]

The Belgian Centaur is another one I have that I'd say is not rare but not readily available.

 

[ClemBert]

Now the Colt 2nd Gen SS 1851 (second model) I have I probably would say is rather rare as only 490 of them were made. A Colt 2nd Gen SS 1861 would be crazy rare with only 8 made but I don't have one of those.

 

[1KPerDay]

Here are a couple of mine. Near as we can tell they MIGHT be old palmettos or maybe 1960's Uberti or ASM but the clues don't really line up. I've given up trying to find out who actually made them. Jackrabbit1954 got them running for me after a lot of work. I have a similar 3rd Model Dragoon but it's not ready for prime time yet. I'll try to find some pics as well.

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

Beautiful gentlemen, keep em coming!

 

[Blackpowderwarrior]

@ClemBert id be willing to take a few of those unrare santa barbaras or belgian centaurs off your hands

 

[Fingers McGee]

Fingers! Good to hear from you. Did the groundhog push you out of his hole?

Good to be heard from. I'm hoping to be more active in 23. Seems like 22 was given over to Dr.s.

 

[44 Dave]

First year Navy Arms

 

[1KPerDay]

Colt Root, Allen pepperbox, some other original Colts

 

[1KPerDay]

From what I understand the shoulder stocks are often more desirable and rare than the revolvers.

I have one that fits my replica Dragoon and one that fits my original Colt Army (not pictured). That one doesn’t fit any replica I have as the cuts are different.

 

[1KPerDay]

 

[Ephraim Kibbey]

Near as we can tell they MIGHT be old palmettos or maybe 1960's Uberti or ASM but the clues don't really line up.

ASM Dragoons and Walkers have a characteristic scrollwork between the banners on the cylinder occasionally with partial serial number stamping.
ASM also was the only maker of large frame (and small frame) clones early on.
Replica Arms and Navy arms bought their medium frames from Uberti but the Dragoons and Walkers from ASM until Uberti started making all three size clones.
All generations of Colts leave that space unengraved except for the stamped serial number.
Some manufacturer filled the space with crosshatching but I can't remember if it was Palmetto or Uberti.
ASM was the only maker of 3rd model Dragoons to include the sight on their military version.

If the Paterson has a date code, it may help pin down the maker.
Mainardi (MOFRA) was the first Italian gun maker to clone the Paterson from the late 1960's to 1970/1.
Euromanufacture (Mainardi brothers) made the same Paterson from then until bought out by Palmetto around 1980.
Palmetto made the same Paterson for a short time I believe but by then Uberti and later Pietta had entered the market with their versions.
So if it is 1960's it was MOFRA, 1970's Euromanufacture (Double Diamond,) very early 1980's maybe Palmetto and later, Uberti or Pietta.
I believe all the Pietta made Patersons have "Texas Paterson" on the top barrel flat.
The only Uberti Paterson I have seen with an engraved top barrel flat inscription is a Commemorative.
The Paterson is one of the few clones that ASM never made.

Good Luck!

P.S. I just saw a cased Navy Arms Paterson AF (1980) with "FAP" in a diamond cartouche on the butt strap so Pietta was in the game at least that early! Its the earliest Pietta or Uberti Paterson that I have seen.

 

[Frulk]

Glad to see Bob Tingle's .44 mentioned. Grail gun that is.

I lucked out and picked up a spotless rifle of his a few years back. That will have to do.

 

[1KPerDay]

ASM Dragoons and Walkers have a characteristic scrollwork between the banners on the cylinder occasionally with partial serial number stamping.
ASM also was the only maker of large frame (and small frame) clones early on.
Replica Arms and Navy arms bought their medium frames from Uberti but the Dragoons and Walkers from ASM until Uberti started making all three size clones.
All generations of Colts leave that space unengraved except for the stamped serial number.
Some manufacturer filled the space with crosshatching but I can't remember if it was Palmetto or Uberti.
ASM was the only maker of 3rd model Dragoons to include the sight on their military version.

If the Paterson has a date code, it may help pin down the maker.
Mainardi (MOFRA) was the first Italian gun maker to clone the Paterson from the late 1960's to 1970/1.
Euromanufacture (Mainardi brothers) made the same Paterson from then until bought out by Palmetto around 1980.
Palmetto made the same Paterson for a short time I believe but by then Uberti and later Pietta had entered the market with their versions.
So if it is 1960's it was MOFRA, 1970's Euromanufacture (Double Diamond,) very early 1980's maybe Palmetto and later, Uberti or Pietta.
I believe all the Pietta made Patersons have "Texas Paterson" on the top barrel flat.
The only Uberti Paterson I have seen with an engraved top barrel flat inscription is a Commemorative.
The Paterson is one of the few clones that ASM never made.

Good Luck!

What does the characteristic scrollwork look like between the banners? Thanks

 

[1KPerDay]

Looks like you already answered this question in the thread below. You opined that the dragoon is an ASM but jackrabbit found a bunch of differences and the thread pitch is different etc so it’s still a weird situation.
Pics and background here https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...der-gurus-who-made-this-dragoon.885550/page-2