Remington moving to Huntsville AL
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Yep, and the infamous "Rocket City" is located right there in Alabama!
http://huntsville.about.com/library/weekly/aa102599a.htm
"Huntsville owes most of its present day prestige and nickname of "Rocket City" to Dr. Wernher von Braun. Von Braun was a German scientist who moved to Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville in 1950 and was the leading authority in space technology. Huntsville's Von Braun Center is named in his honor. During the 1960's, Huntsville was the fastest growing city in the U.S. because of the President John F. Kennedy's emphasis on the space industry. Today it is the home of the Marshall Space Flight Center, which has provided NASA with 32 Saturns, including six used to land astronauts on the moon. "
I have been in the old Chrysler Plant
My wife used to work in the old Chrysler plant and I have been there many times. Remington will be able to move in, set up lines and get it running pretty quick.....they manufactured car electronics there and it is a very clean plant....shouldn't be a big deal to get it going. It already is secured and fenced, then put in lines and get people hired.......
My wife used to work in the old Chrysler plant and I have been there many times. Remington will be able to move in, set up lines and get it running pretty quick.....they manufactured car electronics there and it is a very clean plant....shouldn't be a big deal to get it going. It already is secured and fenced, then put in lines and get people hired.......
TenDriver
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It's surprising how many folks from Huntsville are on this forum.
I was in both JCs and Larry's Saturday. The news media had both covered up, interviewing folks coming out of the stores. For a little while I had forgotten about the new plant and thought something bad had happened.
I was in both JCs and Larry's Saturday. The news media had both covered up, interviewing folks coming out of the stores. For a little while I had forgotten about the new plant and thought something bad had happened.
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/gear...nounce-major-expansion-to-huntsville-alabama/
There's nothing in the news announcement that states the Ilion plant will reduce production or lay off workers.
The news announcement also states it will take about a year to get into production there, so products won't come out until 2015.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index...._not_good_for_ilion_plant_union_official.html
The union officials in Syracuse blame the Safe act on the loss of expansion and are worried they could lose their jobs in the long run.
They likely won't be union employees in Huntsville, even the VW plant in Tennessee recently voted the union down.
Don't chortle over NY workers losing their jobs. They are the victims in this, too. Can't say they aren't gun enthusiasts, they make them daily.
There's nothing in the news announcement that states the Ilion plant will reduce production or lay off workers.
The news announcement also states it will take about a year to get into production there, so products won't come out until 2015.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index...._not_good_for_ilion_plant_union_official.html
The union officials in Syracuse blame the Safe act on the loss of expansion and are worried they could lose their jobs in the long run.
They likely won't be union employees in Huntsville, even the VW plant in Tennessee recently voted the union down.
Don't chortle over NY workers losing their jobs. They are the victims in this, too. Can't say they aren't gun enthusiasts, they make them daily.
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Not to sound vengeful, but the buck has to stop somewhere.
The reason these laws get passed is that the voters allow them to be passed. Therefore, I cannot feel too badly that people in slave states will find it difficult to find a job since they, quite frankly, outlawed their employers.
The people losing their jobs need to vote with their feet and move out of state. The state needs to feel the repercussions of their onerous laws (less tax money).
I know that this is easier said than done.
Queen_of_Thunder
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True, but remember those 2000+ jobs and additional capital investment instead of being in New York are going to Alabama along with Remington's R&D operations. Plus with the move to Alabama you will probably see the rest of the work done in NY shift to Alabama over time.
Unfortunately, if NY's unemployed move out of state, then NY State politicians are spared the social and economic consequences of their anti-firearms policies.
Again, there's no current view that the plant is moving out of Ilion.
Vengeful thinking about employees there losing their jobs doesn't help them or the gun cause. It's a non productive effort and not High Road.
Apparently some have never lost their job because management decided to move to another location. Frankly, if Remington did shut down the Ilion plant, it would be like Bass Pro moving out of the Mall. A lot of shoppers would breathe a sigh of relief they no longer had to avoid the place - for some, the outdoors and shooting sports are anathema. It doesn't fit their highly structured urban point of view.
Remington leaving NY would be a win in their anti gun agenda. BUT- with Remington there, and the SAFE act a constant irritation,officials can dole out campaign contributions. It becomes a thumb in the eye for those who want total elimination and confiscation of firearms. Their efforts will appear as if they want to lose jobs and put workers out on the street. That isn't good reelection policy in whatever era it happens.
Economically, there's no real reason to shut down Ilion anyway. They have a million square feet under roof, a lot of new equipment, and a line of products that at least meets Remington's QC. Moving would be a huge new capital investment that would take years to accomplish and the net result would be no different. The risk would be lines down for months, extra costs, QC issues, a backlog of guns getting repaired, and not a dime extra profit. Just to satisfy a few vengeful customers?
Get over yourself, it's not going to happen, and certainly not in the foreseeable future.
They made their most significant statement by going to Alabama for expansion. It's a win right there, the union is blaming NY and the politicians who voted for the SAFE act. That will have a great deal of impact just by itself. Moving the plant, not so much.
If somebody wants to move Remington, start a campaign for contributions to do it. What will it take - 10, 25 million? Raise the money and pay for the workers to relocate, too. Money talks. We all know what walks.
I'm not aware of anyone sending Magpul a dime to uproot and move. Seems the shooting community is full of those who want business to make political decisions that would hurt their employees and the owners, too, just to make a point.
Go to the next political rally and do it yourself. Wishing factory workers out of a job just plays into the hands of the anti-gunners - it is exactly their agenda, to put them out of work.
Vengeful thinking about employees there losing their jobs doesn't help them or the gun cause. It's a non productive effort and not High Road.
Apparently some have never lost their job because management decided to move to another location. Frankly, if Remington did shut down the Ilion plant, it would be like Bass Pro moving out of the Mall. A lot of shoppers would breathe a sigh of relief they no longer had to avoid the place - for some, the outdoors and shooting sports are anathema. It doesn't fit their highly structured urban point of view.
Remington leaving NY would be a win in their anti gun agenda. BUT- with Remington there, and the SAFE act a constant irritation,officials can dole out campaign contributions. It becomes a thumb in the eye for those who want total elimination and confiscation of firearms. Their efforts will appear as if they want to lose jobs and put workers out on the street. That isn't good reelection policy in whatever era it happens.
Economically, there's no real reason to shut down Ilion anyway. They have a million square feet under roof, a lot of new equipment, and a line of products that at least meets Remington's QC. Moving would be a huge new capital investment that would take years to accomplish and the net result would be no different. The risk would be lines down for months, extra costs, QC issues, a backlog of guns getting repaired, and not a dime extra profit. Just to satisfy a few vengeful customers?
Get over yourself, it's not going to happen, and certainly not in the foreseeable future.
They made their most significant statement by going to Alabama for expansion. It's a win right there, the union is blaming NY and the politicians who voted for the SAFE act. That will have a great deal of impact just by itself. Moving the plant, not so much.
If somebody wants to move Remington, start a campaign for contributions to do it. What will it take - 10, 25 million? Raise the money and pay for the workers to relocate, too. Money talks. We all know what walks.
I'm not aware of anyone sending Magpul a dime to uproot and move. Seems the shooting community is full of those who want business to make political decisions that would hurt their employees and the owners, too, just to make a point.
Go to the next political rally and do it yourself. Wishing factory workers out of a job just plays into the hands of the anti-gunners - it is exactly their agenda, to put them out of work.
Ks5shooter
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With the lower cost of labor etc,I wonder if the price of their products will go down...hmmmmm..
ironworkerwill
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I don't know what folks think about our part of the ''FLY OVER COUNTRY" but as far as pay goes Alabamans get paid well. If they don't its thier own fault. Not every one can work for Ronald Mc Donald or for that matter NASA either. Work quality has much to do with work ethics. For this area of N. Alabama work ethic is paramount.
I lived on post at Redstone for a while and worked for a contractor shortly after leaving the Army, whos office was also on post. The work force in Huntsville is just what Remington needs.
The union needs to be less political. The labor unions were needed for safety and fair pay. Now after becomming more and more political they will potentially loose more and more gound untill no work force will align with them. For the most part most NASA workers are union but are non-political. That should be the model!
lemaymiami
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I greatly enjoyed hearing that Huntsville is getting another great company to add to the many, many already represented there. I left Huntsville many years ago as a young man going into the armed forces but still remember it fondly. As an Army brat it was the closest thing to a home town I ever had (1960 to 1968) and I still have family there. Most outside of the south don't realize that Huntsville has been on the cutting edge of the aerospace industry since the early sixties (I actually lived on Redstone Arsenal as a boy when they were developing and testing the big motors that drove the first moon shots up and away from earth). We only moved off post when my dad got his first set of orders for that war overseas in 1965... I actually met von Braun as a teenager since my mom worked for him at Marshall...
I'ver always thought that the town was a great place to work and raise a family but it was a long way from saltwater and south Florida where I've lived since leaving the service myself all those years ago.
At any rate, congrats to Hunstville and to Remington for making a fine choice. More and more the "industrialized north" looks like it's way, way past its prime... The new model for that area seems to be Detroit. Wonder when the folks that run those states will figure out that their policies and beliefs are the driving force behind all of their troubles?
One last thought.... companies in the Huntsville area know all about quality control and I'd be very surprised if there aren't a bunch of very skilled technical types in that area when Remington starts looking for workers at every level....
I'ver always thought that the town was a great place to work and raise a family but it was a long way from saltwater and south Florida where I've lived since leaving the service myself all those years ago.
At any rate, congrats to Hunstville and to Remington for making a fine choice. More and more the "industrialized north" looks like it's way, way past its prime... The new model for that area seems to be Detroit. Wonder when the folks that run those states will figure out that their policies and beliefs are the driving force behind all of their troubles?
One last thought.... companies in the Huntsville area know all about quality control and I'd be very surprised if there aren't a bunch of very skilled technical types in that area when Remington starts looking for workers at every level....
SC Shooter
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The gun manufacturing industry like the automotive and steel industry have built and developed in the South and are thriving in the 21st century pro business climate that is in most Southern States. People don't stay where they are not wanted, or where it is difficult to survive. The same is true for businesses. So come on down. The business climate's great and you don't have to shovel snow. Well, except for that issue last week.
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They will definitely get an application from me. Will be a longer drive than I am used to but a good job with a good company would be worth it.
Tinpig
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I have nothing but sympathy for Remington's upstate New York employees who may lose their jobs. I'm sure they didn't support the SAFE Act. It's an uphill battle when almost half (4.3 million) of registered voters in the state live in New York City.
Tinpig
Huntsville is a good choice as it is the center for high tech manufacturing in Alabama. The area has a lot of expertise in precision machining. I doubt the move had much to do with NY's SAFE act. The local news ran a story on the announcement and they reported that this deal has been in the works for more than a year and Alabama bid against 20 odd states.
Alabama also has a reputation for paying top dollar for manufacturing jobs. The most recent big manufacturing win for Alabama was the ThyssenKrupp AG steel mill near Mobile. Alabama paid more than $1 Billion in incentives to land that facility that employs 2000 workers. I doubt the Remington deal will be that big but it will be interesting to see what the price will be for Alabama's taxpayers.
As others have noted, nothing in Remington's press release says that they are moving jobs from NY. They say that this is a manufacturing expansion. Remington has plants in New York, Arkansas, Kentucky, an North Carolina. Every time they have opened a plant they have continued operating the New York site.
Alabama also has a reputation for paying top dollar for manufacturing jobs. The most recent big manufacturing win for Alabama was the ThyssenKrupp AG steel mill near Mobile. Alabama paid more than $1 Billion in incentives to land that facility that employs 2000 workers. I doubt the Remington deal will be that big but it will be interesting to see what the price will be for Alabama's taxpayers.
As others have noted, nothing in Remington's press release says that they are moving jobs from NY. They say that this is a manufacturing expansion. Remington has plants in New York, Arkansas, Kentucky, an North Carolina. Every time they have opened a plant they have continued operating the New York site.
In a story today which confirmed the new Remington plant in Alabama. There already is political fallout out in New York State over Remington's decision.
http://wibx950.com/remington-arms-jobs-moving-to-alabama/
"Westchester County Executive Rob Astorino, who is rumored to be challenging Governor ""The Constitution serves to protect individual Freedoms. Among them are those guaranteed in the Second Amendment, which protects the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.""Cuomo for New York’s top job in November, says that “Remington’s decision to locate 2,000 jobs in Alabama is another devastating blow to New York’s economy that is already failing under Governor Cuomo.”
Astorino said under Cuomo, New York has the worst business climate in the nation.
“No matter how many millions Governor Cuomo spends trying to convince people New York is open for business, the truth is clear: we are a state that is losing,” he added. "
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A United Mine Workers official blasted NY Governor Andrew Cuomo's SAFE Act as the cause of Remington Outdoor Co.'s decision to open a new plant in Alabama.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...Act-As-Cause-Of-Remington-s-Alabama-Expansion
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http://wibx950.com/remington-arms-jobs-moving-to-alabama/
"Westchester County Executive Rob Astorino, who is rumored to be challenging Governor ""The Constitution serves to protect individual Freedoms. Among them are those guaranteed in the Second Amendment, which protects the right of the people to keep and bear Arms.""Cuomo for New York’s top job in November, says that “Remington’s decision to locate 2,000 jobs in Alabama is another devastating blow to New York’s economy that is already failing under Governor Cuomo.”
Astorino said under Cuomo, New York has the worst business climate in the nation.
“No matter how many millions Governor Cuomo spends trying to convince people New York is open for business, the truth is clear: we are a state that is losing,” he added. "
also.....
A United Mine Workers official blasted NY Governor Andrew Cuomo's SAFE Act as the cause of Remington Outdoor Co.'s decision to open a new plant in Alabama.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Govern...Act-As-Cause-Of-Remington-s-Alabama-Expansion
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just thinking here...
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How long does it take to recoup that in tax revenue?
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If that is true, I question the wisdom of that move. That is a half-million dollars per job.
How long does it take to recoup that in tax revenue?
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Alabama state and local aid to ThyssenKrupp tops $1 billion after vote: http://blog.al.com/live/2011/04/alabama_state_and_local_aid_to.html
I'm sure Airbus is feeling like a chump, they only go $158 million and protection from product liability lawsuits to locate in Alabama. I guess steel jobs are worth more than aerospace and firearm jobs.
At this point too many are reading too much into the "move".
The release I got from Remington today says "expansion", no mention of a move.
2000 new jobs in Huntsville over the next ten years.
This so far is just opening another plant, like the one in Kentucky.
Nobody official at Remington or in Alabama's saying anything about closing down Ilion or leaving NY.
Denis
The release I got from Remington today says "expansion", no mention of a move.
2000 new jobs in Huntsville over the next ten years.
This so far is just opening another plant, like the one in Kentucky.
Nobody official at Remington or in Alabama's saying anything about closing down Ilion or leaving NY.
Denis
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They did/are going to move their R&D opeations from NY to Alabama. Plus those 2000 jobs that would have gone to NY are going to Alabama. Saying they didn't exist and therefore are not moving away is wishful thinking. NY lost 2,000 jos and this is just the first step in a complete move out of NY. I know no one said it but this is how its done. Expand and over time shift all work to the new plant.
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