rifle for new youth hunter, .357 mag, 44 mag or 243.

Bearcat1982

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shots inside 100 yards deer hunting. These are the 3 calibers I'm thinking of starting off my kids with. For conversation seeing if anyone has any thoughts. CVA 44 mag is what im thinking with a 3-9 scope. I have a few more years but I'm thinking of getting a head start.
 
I'm of the idea that all 3 calibers are good for deer at the prescribed distances you have mentioned, but personally I am more inclined to choose the .243 caliber based on my opinions and observations over 50 years of hunting only. The other two are pistol calibers that may or may not maintain enough velocity to do a pass through penetration on deer at 125 yards, at 50 yards yes but not 125. Of course bullet selection is key where the base of the bullet is most important because sectional density is what will give us the penetration required along with velocity. One can expect a gain of 500 fps when shooting from a rifle over a handgun.

Another factor is I have witnessed deer running a couple of hundred yards with a heart shot and if the bullet did not pass through it makes tracking very difficult as there is not much of a blood trail to follow since all the bleeding is done internally.

With a .243 caliber you now have a rifle cartridge, that can be loaded with the heaviest bullet offered for that rifle with minimum loads that will reduce recoil significantly for a younger boy but will have better sectional density with velocities of over 2000 fps providing enough power for the bullet to go through in case a heart shot is made only missing the lungs, where now you can have a blood trail you can follow. Most important is that it is a rifle that they can grow old with and as they gain wisdom and experience, they can go on hunts that may require longer shots due to differences in terrain or can be used for antelope and pronghorn and such. Just my 2¢.
 
I'm of the idea that all 3 calibers are good for deer at the prescribed distances you have mentioned, but personally I am more inclined to choose the .243 caliber based on my opinions and observations over 50 years of hunting only. The other two are pistol calibers that may or may not maintain enough velocity to do a pass through penetration on deer at 125 yards, at 50 yards yes but not 125. Of course bullet selection is key where the base of the bullet is most important because sectional density is what will give us the penetration required along with velocity. One can expect a gain of 500 fps when shooting from a rifle over a handgun.

Another factor is I have witnessed deer running a couple of hundred yards with a heart shot and if the bullet did not pass through it makes tracking very difficult as there is not much of a blood trail to follow since all the bleeding is done internally.

With a .243 caliber you now have a rifle cartridge, that can be loaded with the heaviest bullet offered for that rifle with minimum loads that will reduce recoil significantly for a younger boy but will have better sectional density with velocities of over 2000 fps providing enough power for the bullet to go through in case a heart shot is made only missing the lungs, where now you can have a blood trail you can follow. Most important is that it is a rifle that they can grow old with and as they gain wisdom and experience, they can go on hunts that may require longer shots due to differences in terrain or can be used for antelope and pronghorn and such. Just my 2¢.
You'll get way more exits with the pistol cartridges than you ever will with the .243. Well past 125yds.
 
Or 6mm CM

 
Are you sure you don’t want a new rifle ? Worked great for my buddy until the kids were old enough to shoot and he bought additional firearms for them.

Anyway , any of the 3, will do the trick. My personal opinion is the 243. The 357 will have the lightest recoil. The 44 and 243 will seem about the same. All will take deer at 100 yards. However the pistol cartridges will always be short range tools. Sighted 2 inches high at 100 yards the are dead on to a little low at 125. At 150 they are quite low. Also expansion starts to fall off around 100yards +- a bit. At close range , depending on the bullet, the pistol cartridges will expand like crazy and may not pass thru.

The 243, with most bullets designed for deer, will pass thru most of time. Sectional density of a 100 grain 243 is on par with a 165 grain 30 caliber bullet. It is about the same velocity as a 308, or, 30/06. You rarely hear anyone complaining about lack of penetration with either of those.
 
An experienced father & grandpa of girl and boy hunters says. I could write a book on how to do it and what not to do. Short list. no single shots, no pistols calibers, youth or a true compact only. Stick to business. .223 with Barnes TSX. When distance climbs from 75 to past 100 then .243. Been there seven times. All started out, some kept it up.
 
I use a 357 lever gun in early season. It works fine within its limitations, is nice and quiet, and recoil is minimal. Shot placement is importaint - you have to shoot broadside at the vitals and not just at the deer so it may not be the best choice for nervous beginners.

I roll my own hunting cartridges but if I didn't reload, I might go with buffalo bore 158 RF heavy cast loads for hunting.

The 44 would be fine but kick a little more - if the deer are larger in your area the 44 will work better than a 357.

A 243 is nice also and recoil is less than the 44. Only down side is a bolt gun is not as easy to carry or handle as a lever gun and bullets that miss a back stop will travel further. Shots out to 300 yrds are possible with the 243 where as the other two are 100+/-.

If you also would like to shoot plinks all day, the 357 w/ 38 loads would be the most cost effective and if you want to add glass, a Marlin w/ side eject is a better choice.

A 30-30 lever gun would also be a good choice, recoil more like the 44, but give around a 200 yard range especially with glass on it. A compact and easy to handle package and ammo is usually easy to find.
 
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Don't get me wrong. I have a TC barrel for the little booger.
Where are you hunting (this helps with legalities)? Do you handload? And what do you think the .243 will do that the arc can't at 100 yds or less? I've taught quite a few new shooters/hunters, some of their kids, and all 4 of my kids(how to shoot, the oldest 2 hunt and the youngest probably will too). Where we live/hunt anything starting at (appropriately loaded) .223 on up is legal, and most times plenty. Extremely curious about your disagreement with the ARC as it's about perfect for a deer round. A 100 gr anything at 2600-2700 with 30ish gr of powder? Out of a 7.5 lb rifle, that's very mild recoil (on par with a .22-250, also another good choice) and plenty enough horsepower for Bambi.
 
My kids who hunt all started with a Remington Model 7 in .243. Not only is it a fine deer cartridge at reasonable distances, it makes for a fine varmint gun.

Today, though, I might start them off with a bolt action in 6.5 Grendel. Even less recoil than the .243 and very capable inside 300 yards.
 
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Of your choices the .243 all day long. They will be able to use it further than a 100 yds way past their youth. The .44 is gonna drop a good 4 inches at a 100 with less velocity. I have been there and keep the .44 at 75yds or less. I still have my .243 that my Dad gave me when I was a kid and still shoot it. Both of my boys got their first deer with it.
 
One thing I’d add about 243. Think of it as a future proof purchase.

It’ll meet the immediate need for young shooters at 100 yards and it’ll be a cartridge they can use as they age and it will be useful at greater distances.

Assuming they hunt as they get older and assuming they have opportunities to hunt other locations with various distances.
 
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