Rifle Recommendation for Teen

Midway in stock ammunition :
6.5 Creedmoor - 58 types
.243 Winchester - 15 types

And among each set of ammo for either cartridge, think about how many of the 243win are just varmint bullets, and how few are suitable for game larger than deer, as opposed to what is possible with a 140-160 class bullet. I've shot somewhere sneaking up on 100k 6mm bullets in my life, and I don't recall ever holding one heavier than 115grn - I know some 120 and 125's were being custom made at one point, but the real market is 100-115 as the ceiling for 6mm's, and since we're talking about a casual interest at best, I assume the OP's son won't be considering custom turned bullets, but rather will be utilizing factory ammo... and we do know what we do in real hunting fields DOES often benefit from using a bigger hammer. And that coming from an extreme fan of the 243win and fast 6mm's.

Honestly, my greatest hope for the OP's son is that he finds a spark of passion for shooting, whether that involves hunting or not, and rather than only picking up a rifle a couple times of year, he becomes an avid sportsman and becomes an advocate to pass on a tradition of marksmanship to future generations. I'd certainly be remiss if the tradition withers in his generation and isn't passed on to the next beyond him.
 
And among each set of ammo for either cartridge, think about how many of the 243win are just varmint bullets, and how few are suitable for game larger than deer, as opposed to what is possible with a 140-160 class bullet. I've shot somewhere sneaking up on 100k 6mm bullets in my life, and I don't recall ever holding one heavier than 115grn - I know some 120 and 125's were being custom made at one point, but the real market is 100-115 as the ceiling for 6mm's, and since we're talking about a casual interest at best, I assume the OP's son won't be considering custom turned bullets, but rather will be utilizing factory ammo... and we do know what we do in real hunting fields DOES often benefit from using a bigger hammer. And that coming from an extreme fan of the 243win and fast 6mm's.

Honestly, my greatest hope for the OP's son is that he finds a spark of passion for shooting, whether that involves hunting or not, and rather than only picking up a rifle a couple times of year, he becomes an avid sportsman and becomes an advocate to pass on a tradition of marksmanship to future generations. I'd certainly be remiss if the tradition withers in his generation and isn't passed on to the next beyond him.

It`s more than just possible that the OP`s son takes up target shooting even if he decides that hunting is not for him. I certainly hope that he does. I`ve taken up rifle shooting in the last couple of years ostensibly to hunt coyotes, perhaps the occasional hog and assorted smaller game. The opportunities, however, to enjoy time at the range ( prior to this, the only ranges I had shot at were in the service ) have rather significantly exceeded my opportunities to hunt, at least so far. I`ve been surprised at how much I`ve enjoyed it, even though neither of my rifles ( 110 in 223 and 93R17 17HMR ) is anything approaching a dedicated precision target rifle. The range is only 100 yards, which is probably good for my bank account because if a longer one were available there`s little chance that I wouldn`t be " investing " in something more " target specialized " !!
 
There are lots of things than could kill a deer or hog that would be better for a kid than a 270 but I generally do things a bit different than pick what’s best for other people.

If it’s just to be used for the kill shot, hunting, that’s a bit different than something you intend him to enjoy shooting larger quantities of ammunition with.

I can tell you what rifle I’d put with different kids but I would have to see how they work with it and the results the get from their use. What does your son seem to work and shoot best? That’s almost as important as what they enjoy shooting (as far as honing their skills). If it isn’t fun to shoot, the likelihood of them getting better through practice, declines rapidly.

Personally, I think the savage rifles are quite a bargain as far as accuracy goes, even if they are not as smooth as others.
 
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My 2 cents. In the OP it seems that the son isn't all that much into hunting or even shooting so something not expensive and not heavy in the recoil department would seem to be appropriate until the kid makes up his mind. Then it's trade goods for a better combination or easily sold depending on the son's reaction to hunting.

My first deer hunting rifle was a bolt action 30-30. I was almost flat broke and just buying a used gun and making the trip (I borrowed my dad's pickup for transportation and camped under a pinion tree) was a big financial strain on my meager budget. I did not get a shot but did see two deer killed with 30-30 rifles. That made me sell that rifle and quit deer hunting until I saved enough money to buy a 30-06. I did waffle over the '06 and 270 but when I found a certain rifle in '06 it won out.
 
Availability?

Versatility?

While not as bad on this forum, lots of folks have a ridiculous aversion/bias against the 6.5 CM that’s as illogical as “Glock hate”.

6.5 CM is basically the modern 30.06. Ammo and rifle choices are plentiful, and pretty much any game in the CONUS can be taken with it.

Before the “ought-six” folks freak out and respond with “but…but…220 grain!”,….yes, 30.06 slings bigger bullets for bigger critters. But based on OP’s needs, bullets bigger than 6.5 are not required.

I have zero issue with 7-08 other than it’s harder to source ammo, and more recoil.

6.5 CM is absolutely the “easy button”. Ammo availability, low recoil, rifle options, etc.

Savage and Ruger econo-rifles shoot great for their value.
 
The rifle and scope combo is probably not the perfect answer, but it is plenty good enough. The price is reasonable, maybe even a bargain. It would work just fine.

Although it is not my favorite all time hunting cartridge, the 6.5 Cm does many things well, is quite popular with new shooters, and it would be a good choice for medium size game. There is not a bad choice between the 270 and the 6.5 for your purposes. The 270 ammo is available in low recoil versions if you do not handload and is commonly available worldwide. The 6.5 is easy to find in the USA. Your teen should be very happy with whatever you choose.
 
While not as bad on this forum, lots of folks have a ridiculous aversion/bias against the 6.5 CM that’s as illogical as “Glock hate”.

6.5 CM is basically the modern 30.06. Ammo and rifle choices are plentiful, and pretty much any game in the CONUS can be taken with it.

Before the “ought-six” folks freak out and respond with “but…but…220 grain!”,….yes, 30.06 slings bigger bullets for bigger critters. But based on OP’s needs, bullets bigger than 6.5 are not required.

I have zero issue with 7-08 other than it’s harder to source ammo, and more recoil.

6.5 CM is absolutely the “easy button”. Ammo availability, low recoil, rifle options, etc.

Savage and Ruger econo-rifles shoot great for their value.

No. The 6.5 CM is not “the modern 30-06”. There is nothing about it that is close to the 30-06.

To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, I know the 30-06 and the 6.5 CM is no 30-06.

The 6.5 CM is the modern 6.5x55, a fantastic round currently chambered only in relatively expensive and obscure rifles, whereas we are awash in accurate, affordable rifles chambered in Creedmoor.
 
Yet another thread where we get to argue the merits of cartridges and rifles we like. Some of which the OP has no interest in. Over the years I have tried many combinations with my children, grandchildren and students. I have settled on a compact rifle in .243 but there are plenty of other options. I see no fault with the OP's possible choice of a Savage in 6.5 Creedmoor.
 
No. The 6.5 CM is not “the modern 30-06”. There is nothing about it that is close to the 30-06.

To paraphrase Lloyd Bentsen, I know the 30-06 and the 6.5 CM is no 30-06.

The 6.5 CM is the modern 6.5x55, a fantastic round currently chambered only in relatively expensive and obscure rifles, whereas we are awash in accurate, affordable rifles chambered in Creedmoor.

LOL! How literal!

My point was rifles and ammo to hunt anything in the CONUS was readily available in the 30.06 cartridge. It was a great choice and people turn to it knowing it would do everything they wanted. Now we have the 6.5 Creedmoor. I see both more rifles and ammo for it than I see for 30.06 these days.

It will kill everything in the lower 48, and it’s got less recoil, making it better for youngsters to shoot them in the hot six. so yes, in that sense, it’s a great, very versatile, caliber, that will hunt everything in the continental United States, including elk. I think he got too much emotional baggage. It’s just a rifle cartridge.
 
LOL! How literal!

My point was rifles and ammo to hunt anything in the CONUS was readily available in the 30.06 cartridge. It was a great choice and people turn to it knowing it would do everything they wanted. Now we have the 6.5 Creedmoor. I see both more rifles and ammo for it than I see for 30.06 these days.

It will kill everything in the lower 48, and it’s got less recoil, making it better for youngsters to shoot them in the hot six. so yes, in that sense, it’s a great, very versatile, caliber, that will hunt everything in the continental United States, including elk. I think he got too much emotional baggage. It’s just a rifle cartridge.


Please alert us before you go off into brown bear country armed with the 6.5 CM so that we can have the Darwin Award nomination drafted in advance.

Not the same. Not close.

6.5 CM is great. It’s a good choice for the OP’s son. But don’t be silly comparing it to 30-06 :cool:
 
What do you have and use yourself? For hunting? For target shooting? What is available for him to try before you buy anything?

A deer/hog gun is not often used much. Not very many people get the chance to shoot a lot of game. In my state, I have to win a lottery just to get a tag for at most one deer. Some deer rifles go a lifetime on one box of ammo. On the other hand, shooting no more than a handful of cartridges annually is not the best way to develop skills. What's more, shooting a costly big game cartridge for practice is expensive. Even so, the cost of a second rifle would also pay for a lot of practice ammo.

I don't recommend cheap guns. The problem with spending a lot on a good gun and optic is that you want to know what you want before you do that and if you're starting out, you just don't know. What you do know is that you don't want the cheap stuff. Buy better stuff and spend more or less based on how certain you are that it is what you want.

For smaller kids, the low cost and low recoil of rimfire cartridges are compelling, but getting the rifle to fit is still important and often overlooked. Your son is already adult-size and is apt to fit off-the-shelf rifles as well as anything not custom fit for him. The cartridges best suited to training are 5.56x45 and 7.62x39. Right now, the next most affordable cartridges are twice as costly. In better times, there are more choices that are affordable to shoot. The 5.56x45 is always going to have an advantage of lower component costs because the smaller bullets use less material, and the cartridges use less powder. 5.56 also recoils less which makes it a better intermediate step between a rimfire and a heavier deer cartridge. The 7.62x39 could be said to be a deer cartridge (with a suitable bullet design).

Because a training rifle in addition to a deer rifle adds substantial cost, there are some things to consider as alternatives. First, if you handload, you can use a big-game cartridge to introduce an inexperienced shooter by using reduced loads -- particularly loads made with Trailboss powder. With Trailboss, you can make .30-06, 458 Win Mag, and 375 H&H loads that are comfortable for any child to shoot provided the rifle fits them within reason. Of course, this makes the most sense if you already have such a rifle and the shooter being introduced is an inexperienced older teen or adult that will with some practice quickly graduate to being able to use the rifle with loads powerful enough to hunt with. Even if you don't have such an overpowered rifle, reduced loads can help someone get up to speed before they shoot full-power .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor for example. What this won't do is provide an abundance of low-cost cartridges.

Another alternative would be to consider a rifle that can be chambered for multiple cartridges. With an AR, you can shoot 5.56x45 for training and practice and with a simple change of the upper and sometimes the magazine, configure it for another cartridge that is ideal for deer or hogs -- 300 BLK, 300 HMR, 6.5 Grendel, 450 Bushmaster etc. etc.

Basic rifle skills are more important than killing one or two deer. First, they will be indispensable for any amount of hunting, a few deer or many over one's lifetime, and second, they may be useful for many other reasons. That's why I would consider a training rifle even if it were in addition to the hunting rifle. While an additional rifle may substantially add to the overall cost, it is an asset that retains value. The excess cost of big-game cartridges spent on paper targets is a total loss.
 
My previous post consisted of my advice, but I'll also lend my example because I've bought rifles for teen sons that are 15.

I started with no suitable rifles at all -- nothing to lend them to try, nothing at all. The first rifle I bought my teen son was a bolt-action 6.5 Grendel with a good mid-range optic from Swarovski. It was pre-2020 and Grendel was $0.26 per cartridge. Now, ammoseek.com is showing the cheapest steel-cased Grendel at $0.80 per cartridge. That's a pity. We went through at least 1200 rounds with that Grendel. The first couple hundred were loaded with Trailboss and shot quite softly. That rifle took the first two mule deer with good effect. It's accurate. There is no reason it couldn't be a lifetime rifle. It will never be outgrown. It's all that will ever be needed for deer or antelope. It's a fine rifle too, a CZ with a beautiful walnut stock. Even though this rifle was inexpensive (less than $800 at the time), I couldn't find a better rifle for twice that much now.

Even though that rifle leaves nothing to be desired, I got anxious last year and bought a Benelli Lupo in 6.5 Creedmoor. My son chose this rifle himself. The CZ was my choice before he knew anything. I moved the Swarovski to it. My son used it to take a big buck. He hopes to use it again on a pronghorn this year provided he gets a tag. The Benelli is heavier. The Creedmoor has more range with a heavier bullet and while its additional weight compensates somewhat, it has more recoil. The Creedmoor is suitable for elk, though it is unlikely we will hunt it due to tag scarcity and the impracticality of packing it out (we backpack hunt). The Benelli was more expensive than the cheap rifles and the CZ but is not a very expensive rifle.

While either the CZ or the Benelli could serve for a lifetime of hunting, they are certainly good enough that if my son ever wants something more or just different, he'll have a good idea of what and why. My point isn't to recommend either of these rifles to anyone else, but the reasoning behind their selection is advisable: have at least one rifle that can be shot a lot in practice, start with a low-recoil cartridge/rifle, have your son get experience, have him make his own informed decisions and choices from his own lived experience with guidance as to what is appropriate for the intended task.
 
Please alert us before you go off into brown bear country armed with the 6.5 CM so that we can have the Darwin Award nomination drafted in advance.

Not the same. Not close.

6.5 CM is great. It’s a good choice for the OP’s son. But don’t be silly comparing it to 30-06 :cool:

Just can’t understand the point.

Hint….it’s not about comparing the cartridges.

Either way, I’m done.
 
Hey everyone. Soliciting hunting rifle recommendations for my teenage son. Rifle will be intended for deer and hogs. My son is 15, about 5'5, 120 lbs.

Anyhow, any opinions regarding the Savage, as well as any opinion on a good caliber, make/model?

Thank you!

At 15, it’s all about being a hero to his buddies, classmates and friends. So make him a hero, tell him head shots only on the pigs and deer, and get him this.

50 Cal’s for 15 year olds are recommended by 4 out of 5 gun nuts, like us.

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I dont get all the modern recommendations. Maybe I was a weird teen, but I think giving him something like a Lee-enfield or a Mosin Nagant would go a long way into making him appreciate the rifle.
Look at the type of video games he plays. If he plays alot of World War II themed then trust me on this.
Strongly agree.
 
Please alert us before you go off into brown bear country armed with the 6.5 CM so that we can have the Darwin Award nomination drafted in advance.

Not the same. Not close.

6.5 CM is great. It’s a good choice for the OP’s son. But don’t be silly comparing it to 30-06 :cool:
His whole point was that it's ubiquitous......

I started hunting with an 06 and for the first year or two of shooting it was the only centerfire besides a 12ga I shot......took me the better part of 10 years to learn to deal with the flinch those guns gave me. Honestly it was a good experience, I have very little issue shooting guns I KNOW are going to hurt me now, I also dont ignore the fact that they DO hurt....but I was already well into being a gun nut when I started.

Like wise, I would avoid the heavier mil-surps simply because recoil, sights, and general handling arnt really conducive to pleasant hunting. Nothing WRONG with them, but IMO they are an enthusiast's tool.

I do strongly agree with seeing what hes interested in and working around those interests......IMO our suggestions are well-reasoned, and i THINK weve pretty well covered the practicalities, but you can see where our own preferences start bleeding into them. Again nothing WRONG with that, but none of us are the intended shooter.
Never know, he might be taken with the idea of a levergun, or semi, or Mosin, or what not......that 50bmg might be just the ticket! I have a 50ish friend whos bucket list is one of those....talking about them makes him 15 again lol. If it results in a new hunter/shooter to add to the ranks it works out.
 
did the op mention where he 8s hunting and the range of his sight lines? also this is a small frame 15 year old boy and ya'll keep talking long range higher powered rifles.
to the OP if your son is going to be hunting at limited distance ( 150 yards or less) look at a Ruger American Ranch, since he isn't a big boy look at the rifles chambered in 7.62x39, 350 legend or 6.5 grendel all hit hard inside of 200 yards all have light recoil and they all have a decent selection of bullet construction choices, pair the rifle with a cheap but decent quality 2-7x32 power scope and let him get some trigger time on it starting within 30 yards to build confidence and working on out to whatever his maximum hunting distance would be from his shooting blind, don't just use paper targets either once he has the rifle sighted in ,start using reactive targets, ( soda bottle/ cans, water jugs, small wooden blocks and steel gongs of various sizes) this will challenge him and make shooting more interesting.
here is my Ruger American Ranch in 6.5 Grendel with a Sig whiskey 3 2-7x32 scope on it ($200+/-) other than that good luck and I hope your son take up shooting and hunting. 20230415_141209.jpg
 
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