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Rossi r95 vs Henry 30-30
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Pat Riot
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Thank you. I will have to do some measuring to see if I could use that #4 hunting disc.
AJC1
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I don't have the big one. Mine is about 3/4 of an inch, and you can add rubber surrounds if that's your gig. The Silhouette guys do all kinds of crazy things.... the other more expensive option is called a diopter. Tons of science on those, and that's what Olympic shooters use.
ThomasT
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I don't what they will feed. The OP asked about 30-30s from Henry and Rossi and I tried to stay on topic and answer his question. Not talk about different guns firing different rounds. Of the two I would go with the Henry. So far as I can see they are pretty much both Marlin knock offs. The Rossi has a Black Oxide finish and if it looks like the finish on Taurus "Blued" revolvers I would spend the extra and get the Henry with its nicer finish. You only have to buy it once so get a gun you are proud of.
If, the Henry and Rossi are Marlin knockoffs, I would just get the Marlin 336 or another Marlin, old, new or in-between. But between the Rossi and the Henry, the Rossi products I have seen of late look better than the new Henry company products, between them alone, I would go Rossi.
I might be seeing a little softening in JM Marlin prices for the common 336 .30-30 models. And there is the new 336 Classic which is a nicer rifle than either, at least the two I have looked over where excellent as was a new 1894 .44M I got to shoot a few days ago. You only buy once, I would save up and splurge for a Marlin.
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I'd buy a used 336. I have one, looks like five miles of back roads but shoots great. BTW, my original 444 is marked "336-444".
I have a 44 model 94 Win (circa 1970) and a 44 94 Marlin (circa 75) and the marlin is head and shoulders above the Win.
I have a 44 model 94 Win (circa 1970) and a 44 94 Marlin (circa 75) and the marlin is head and shoulders above the Win.
The Bushmaster
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If you are buying new, go with the Henry. If you are buying used, go with the Winchester.
ThomasT
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Thats what I had said in an earlier post. Especially if you could find a deal on one of the older Waffle Tops or other Marlin before they went to the Micro-Groove barrel. I like the idea of conventional rifling so you can shoot lead bullets from your gun. The 30-30 is an excellent lead bullet round with the long case neck that will protect the lead bullet from the hot gasses of being fired.
Lead bullets can be made to work in a Micro-Groove barrel but its just easier with regular rifling and thats where the Rossi and Henry shine. The new made Ruger/Marlins have conventional rifling so theres that. If you can find one and afford it when you do it should be a lifetime buy. And IIRC all three have a 1/12 twist which is a little better than the older Marlin 1/10 twist for lead bullets. Winchesters also have a 1/12 twist just in case you were wondering.
ThomasT
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I just logged in to gunbroker and did an advanced search to see what the average Marlin 30-30 was selling for. It looks like an average price for the common made guns is running between $600 and $800 for a clean gun and a lot of those included a scope mounted on them. Of course some of the older and special run guns were much more expensive but a guy looking for a 30-30 lever action for this years deer season should be able to get one.
And of course don't forget to add taxes and shipping. At $800 you will add at least $100 in extra fees before the gun is shipped to you and then the transfer fee from your dealer. Marlin sold the hell out of these guns and there are a lot of them on the used gun racks. I would spend a Saturday hitting your local gun stores and pawn shops with cash in hand and see if you couldn't find a clean gun for around $700.
With so many buying in to the "Tactical" market and long range shooting they are selling off their most useful guns to buy new toys. Ask around at work and let friends and family know you are looking for a lever action you might be surprised what some people might sell if they think they can pick up a few bucks. Folks needing Christmas money and then a month after Christmas when the credit card bills come in is my favorite time to go gun shopping. Having a pocket full of cash is the secret to getting a good deal.
And of course don't forget to add taxes and shipping. At $800 you will add at least $100 in extra fees before the gun is shipped to you and then the transfer fee from your dealer. Marlin sold the hell out of these guns and there are a lot of them on the used gun racks. I would spend a Saturday hitting your local gun stores and pawn shops with cash in hand and see if you couldn't find a clean gun for around $700.
With so many buying in to the "Tactical" market and long range shooting they are selling off their most useful guns to buy new toys. Ask around at work and let friends and family know you are looking for a lever action you might be surprised what some people might sell if they think they can pick up a few bucks. Folks needing Christmas money and then a month after Christmas when the credit card bills come in is my favorite time to go gun shopping. Having a pocket full of cash is the secret to getting a good deal.
doubleh
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Personal opinion only. The 94 is the most attractive of the three. The Marlin 336 and now those based off it have always looked rather clunky in comparison. I doubt there is little difference between the three in shooting results although the 94 is the only one I have experience with and very little of it. It is a 104 year old saddle ring carbine and rattles my fillings. I find that attractive curved steel butt plate to be rather punishing. I haven't shot it in years for that reason alone.
I bought a Rossi 92 with a 20" barrel in 357 for a knock around jeep gun. It is light, handy, and reasonably accurate. I am not a large individual but found the stock to be too short and added a leather wrap around recoil pad that added some length. Even with the pad I find full house 357 handloads to be my limit because of it's light weight. This is just adding another option in lever guns for the thread.
I bought a Rossi 92 with a 20" barrel in 357 for a knock around jeep gun. It is light, handy, and reasonably accurate. I am not a large individual but found the stock to be too short and added a leather wrap around recoil pad that added some length. Even with the pad I find full house 357 handloads to be my limit because of it's light weight. This is just adding another option in lever guns for the thread.
OLDE RETIRED COASTIE
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The Henry customer service department is awesome. I purchased one of the Golden Boy 22's and left it in a nylon case, and it rusted , the barrel, the lever, and I sent it in to Henry. Now I had to pay for the new barrel, and lever cause was my fault.
But they also replaced the inner and outer mag tube, the sights, and some of the wood, at no cost to me, that is real customer service.
For that reason, I purchased one of the new Henry ALL WEATHER 45-70 with the loading gate, 18.5 inch barrel , hard chrome plated, and the stock was coated , and is made in America!!
I was also looking at a Chiappa 1886 45-70 with basicly the same setup. only real difference was the loading/unloading thru the mag tube.
As that technology is over 100 years old, I think all lever guns/lever gun companies should do that to all their lever guns
Rossi is even doing that to their new 454's and should consider doing that to all their guns
But they also replaced the inner and outer mag tube, the sights, and some of the wood, at no cost to me, that is real customer service.
For that reason, I purchased one of the new Henry ALL WEATHER 45-70 with the loading gate, 18.5 inch barrel , hard chrome plated, and the stock was coated , and is made in America!!
I was also looking at a Chiappa 1886 45-70 with basicly the same setup. only real difference was the loading/unloading thru the mag tube.
As that technology is over 100 years old, I think all lever guns/lever gun companies should do that to all their lever guns
Rossi is even doing that to their new 454's and should consider doing that to all their guns
OLDE RETIRED COASTIE
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that would solve what some consider a safety issue with lever guns. I grew up handling both Winchesters and Marlins, and was just what was there. but the rounds going thru the receiver could be an issue.
I have read some people can unload thru the loading gate, I never tried that , could some one explain how to do that for me.
I have read some people can unload thru the loading gate, I never tried that , could some one explain how to do that for me.
Gordon
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I have one of those for same purposes Pat . I traded a Colt 1917 for it that was reblued. I am interested in ability of Ruger Blackhawk level loads in it with 255 grain cast bullets.
The October issue of Shooting Times has an article for the new Rossi 95 rifles. The title is "Smooth Operator" and the rifles look real good in the photos. Of course they nearly always do 
. I still think if you can get the real thing, Marlin, old, new or in-between, but, realizing there is a place for Rossi, they look to have a nice rifle in a good price range. Still, I would buy the Rossi 454 for .45 Colt Bear loads and reloads but a copy of a Marlin 336, yeah, I do not know about that.
. I still think if you can get the real thing, Marlin, old, new or in-between, but, realizing there is a place for Rossi, they look to have a nice rifle in a good price range. Still, I would buy the Rossi 454 for .45 Colt Bear loads and reloads but a copy of a Marlin 336, yeah, I do not know about that.
Pat Riot
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I can tell you that my Rossi shot the stout loads I tried very well and accurately. Earlier today I realized that I had gotten my load info from the website Load Data (link below). I used an HSM hard cast 250 grain bullet and H-110 powder. I don’t see a recipe for 250 grain bullets on that link.Reloading Data .45 Colt +P Handloads Metallic
.45 Colt +P Handloads reloading data with 29 loads. Using bullets from Hornady XTP, Speer JHP, SSK Truncated cast, RCBS SWC, RBCS SWC, Redding 45424 Keith, Speer PSP, Lyman 452651 GC, Lyman 452651. Powders include Winchester, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Hodgdon, Accurate
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I finally found an old photo of my Rossi. I can tell you that butt shape without a recoil pad truly sucks.
greyling22
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I was at the range Monday and a local gunsmith buddy showed up with the new rossi 30-30. It's a straight up copy of the market n 336. I asked him his take in it, and he said it was junk. Filled with poorly finished MIM parts, and it cost a lot. He said pay the extra money and get a Ruger marlin if you have to have a new gun. He had threaded the gun for a suppressor per his customers request, and wound up having to make an oversized adapter because the drilled part of the barrel was not lined up with the outside.
That's all his take. My take is that the whole gun felt a little cheap, and the finger lever retainer plunger was so rounded off the lever wouldn't stay closed with any kind of movement, rather than the nice crisp Marlin edge that has way too much spring tension behind it. I love a lever gun, but I was unimpressed by the rossi.
It did however, go bang.
That's all his take. My take is that the whole gun felt a little cheap, and the finger lever retainer plunger was so rounded off the lever wouldn't stay closed with any kind of movement, rather than the nice crisp Marlin edge that has way too much spring tension behind it. I love a lever gun, but I was unimpressed by the rossi.
It did however, go bang.
