rbernie
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He lives in AZ, as shown in the location field under his name. I figger that if he intended to 'survive' somewhere other than where he lives, he'd probably have told us that.
Roughest, toughest, durable rifle ever built?
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Interesting... I don't see a lot of AR15's being nominated.
My first inclination was an '03. Hate to have to haul it around all the time, though. Think it would get heavy fast. Maybe a lighter weight modern bolt action in .308, like a Savage.
Certainly don't agree with the Garand. Love mine, but they can be too finicky on ammo.
A variety of .22 LR rifles come to mind. Light, accurate, durable, and cheap, plentiful ammo. And, somewhat more stealthy to shoot. But, enough firepower?
Ah yes, the old, reliable, Model 94, or perhaps the Marlin (don't have one of those). But, I'm not too sure about 30-30 ammo. I have lots around 'cuz I reload it, but is it really that plentiful? I think I'd rather have a lever that would take 38 Special and .357 Magnum ammo. Yeah, think that's getting pretty close.
Where are we surviving, again?
My first inclination was an '03. Hate to have to haul it around all the time, though. Think it would get heavy fast. Maybe a lighter weight modern bolt action in .308, like a Savage.
Certainly don't agree with the Garand. Love mine, but they can be too finicky on ammo.
A variety of .22 LR rifles come to mind. Light, accurate, durable, and cheap, plentiful ammo. And, somewhat more stealthy to shoot. But, enough firepower?
Ah yes, the old, reliable, Model 94, or perhaps the Marlin (don't have one of those). But, I'm not too sure about 30-30 ammo. I have lots around 'cuz I reload it, but is it really that plentiful? I think I'd rather have a lever that would take 38 Special and .357 Magnum ammo. Yeah, think that's getting pretty close.
Where are we surviving, again?
I can find 30-30 ammo anywhere in the mid west. In fact the further I go into rural areas the more plentiful it gets.
If I had to have a lever gun in something other than 30-30, I would look at the Marlin 1894P in .44 mag. (over .357) It's very short and compact, and holds eight or nine shoots, with a sixteen and a half inch ported barrel. They are a great rifle but are somewhat limited to range because of the ammo. (Compared to the much maligned 30-30)
The Marin 336 in 30-30 or .35 Rem. is a great gun with more range, But the best would probably be a Remington 700 ADL in 3006.
If I had to have a lever gun in something other than 30-30, I would look at the Marlin 1894P in .44 mag. (over .357) It's very short and compact, and holds eight or nine shoots, with a sixteen and a half inch ported barrel. They are a great rifle but are somewhat limited to range because of the ammo. (Compared to the much maligned 30-30)
The Marin 336 in 30-30 or .35 Rem. is a great gun with more range, But the best would probably be a Remington 700 ADL in 3006.
"Interesting... I don't see a lot of AR15's being nominated."
Interesting ? Why ?
I am a big fan of the AR15, but if someone asks me for a recommendation for a rifle primarily to hunt big game in Arizona, my answer wouldn't be an AR15. But, I covered that previously.
Interesting ? Why ?
I am a big fan of the AR15, but if someone asks me for a recommendation for a rifle primarily to hunt big game in Arizona, my answer wouldn't be an AR15. But, I covered that previously.
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AZ Jeff:
"Everyone clamoring for a combloc weapon probably would do well in surviving in Iraq (if they had the right combat skills), but would probably be dead shortly if they intended to HUNT GAME with that same weapon."
I'd feel entirely comfortable hunting game and surviving if all I had was a bow and some good arrows (not combat, however). Heck, I imagine a good pellet gun would get me all the meat I'd want or need. Why would I be dead shortly if all I had was a mere AK-47 or SKS?
"Everyone clamoring for a combloc weapon probably would do well in surviving in Iraq (if they had the right combat skills), but would probably be dead shortly if they intended to HUNT GAME with that same weapon."
I'd feel entirely comfortable hunting game and surviving if all I had was a bow and some good arrows (not combat, however). Heck, I imagine a good pellet gun would get me all the meat I'd want or need. Why would I be dead shortly if all I had was a mere AK-47 or SKS?
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Have I ever actually shot a small animal with a 7.62x39? Nope, but I've shot skunk, raccoon, and squirrel with a .300 Savage, which is a bit more powerful. Wasn't much left of them when I got done--more hole than varmint.
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Though we are not really talking about combat here, but mere survival , I would say that a big advantage the former service rifles have is ease of takedown and the ability to do field repairs with a minimum of tools. The modern sporter actions (some though not all) seem to require a few more tools to take them down for repair which might be a consideration.
Personally I will take a rifle I haven’t finished building yet(still needs scope and sling), my Enfield .308 with a scout scope, and William flip up irons. I don’t know about actually carrying a thousand rounds of .308 though
! If I am required to carry the thousand rounds I think I want something a wee bit lighter.
In Virginia I could probably get by with a .22 or a pistol lever carbine due to the fact that we have trees and can get closer to game. Arizona with its wider spaces probably doesn’t have that option, but I think I could carry 4-6 hundred .308 rounds on stripper clips, spare parts, spare magazine and still have enough space to carry actual survivability gear(food, water, and other basics).
, I would say that a big advantage the former service rifles have is ease of takedown and the ability to do field repairs with a minimum of tools. The modern sporter actions (some though not all) seem to require a few more tools to take them down for repair which might be a consideration. Personally I will take a rifle I haven’t finished building yet(still needs scope and sling), my Enfield .308 with a scout scope, and William flip up irons. I don’t know about actually carrying a thousand rounds of .308 though
! If I am required to carry the thousand rounds I think I want something a wee bit lighter. In Virginia I could probably get by with a .22 or a pistol lever carbine due to the fact that we have trees and can get closer to game. Arizona with its wider spaces probably doesn’t have that option, but I think I could carry 4-6 hundred .308 rounds on stripper clips, spare parts, spare magazine and still have enough space to carry actual survivability gear(food, water, and other basics).
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"Just for the sake of discussion, have you ever actually shot a small animal with a 7.62x39 ?"
Nope. Just hogs and deer. I've shot ringtail cats, coons, possums, coyotes, rabbits, etc. with my .270 though. Does that count?
Nope. Just hogs and deer. I've shot ringtail cats, coons, possums, coyotes, rabbits, etc. with my .270 though. Does that count?
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A friend just brought over an SKS that he hadn't shot since 1996. He hadn't cleaned it after he last shot it and he's stored it in a case for 9 years. We stripped it and gave it a thorough cleaning. The piston and recoil rod were pretty gummed up, but fortunately he hadn't used corrosive ammo and the bore and metal surfaces were in pretty good shape. After reassembly, the gun worked flawlessly, and even looked pretty good. Now that's rough, tough, and durable. I think I need to get one of those to keep in my truck.
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I'd go with an AR-15 as long as I could take along a spare bolt (most complicated piece on an AR). It would be a 16" light barrelled carbine with A1 sights, and an M16A1 buttstock. No optics on this simple rifle. You can kill just about anything with these "mouse guns" given reason. They are accurate, ammo is plentiful, spare parts are plentiful and they are easy to maintain...
The lever action 30/30 isn't a bad idea either. I'd set it up in a "Scout" rifle configuration, with the XS scout mount, XS ghost ring sights, and an aimpoint ML/2 or a Burris scout scope. In fact my Marlin 336 will get this treatment in a few weeks when I've got the $$$.
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The lever action 30/30 isn't a bad idea either. I'd set it up in a "Scout" rifle configuration, with the XS scout mount, XS ghost ring sights, and an aimpoint ML/2 or a Burris scout scope. In fact my Marlin 336 will get this treatment in a few weeks when I've got the $$$.
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As I walked through walmart today I was reminded of this thread, and I had to chuckle a bit. Is ammo commonality/availability really that big of an issue if you are 'skulking around' in moderate to low combat situations. First off, if you are serious about shooting especially for SHTF, wally world is not where you get most of your ammo (perhaps some caliber exceptions). You get it in bulk via mail or something similar, or reload. So you should have a reasonable amount of it on hand when the world as we know it falls apart enough for you to be out blasting away at whatever it is you think you will be facing. Second, is good old wally world going to be open to sell you some 30.06, 30-30 or 7.62x39. They can't even stay open during a hurricane, much less total civilization breakdown. Of course, some will say they can find it by trade or barter, or off of deceased individuals, but then these deceased individuals will likely not be carring extra ammo and withouta weapon chambered for it. So anyway, in my humble opinion just get whatever tickles your fancy and satisfies your current real world needs. If it happens to be 7.62x39 or 54, .303, 8mm or something else, just have a good supply on hand.
my suggestions to the question,
enfield jungle, sks or even 'gasp' AK, mosin m44, garand, mini-14 (yes I said it), several others would likely suffice-ideally something that won't draw undo attention to yourself or weigh you down too much.
-my personal choice is the laughable mini-14 since I own it, ammo weight, compactness, reliablity, rate of fire are important to me and with open sights I will never be 1-2 moa anyway. Not ideal, but a compromise. I have better but none that will cover all aspects as well.
Toss in a good .22 pistol to handle the small game food gathering urges in case you don't stumble across any elk (like my lousy part of the world).
my suggestions to the question,
enfield jungle, sks or even 'gasp' AK, mosin m44, garand, mini-14 (yes I said it), several others would likely suffice-ideally something that won't draw undo attention to yourself or weigh you down too much.
-my personal choice is the laughable mini-14 since I own it, ammo weight, compactness, reliablity, rate of fire are important to me and with open sights I will never be 1-2 moa anyway. Not ideal, but a compromise. I have better but none that will cover all aspects as well.
Toss in a good .22 pistol to handle the small game food gathering urges in case you don't stumble across any elk (like my lousy part of the world).
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I'm still voting for the Mosin.
If I were to take all of the rifles mentioned on this thread:EBRs, spaceguns, chicom autochuckers,mini-14s, remingtons and a mosin and were to line them up on my driveway and back over them a few times with my truck, any bets on which ones would still functione perfectly afterwards?
Sounds rediculous, but so do invasions by martians, rabid bears, canadians.
If I were to take all of the rifles mentioned on this thread:EBRs, spaceguns, chicom autochuckers,mini-14s, remingtons and a mosin and were to line them up on my driveway and back over them a few times with my truck, any bets on which ones would still functione perfectly afterwards?
Sounds rediculous, but so do invasions by martians, rabid bears, canadians.
"Wasn't much left of them when I got done--more hole than varmint."
My point exactly. It has been mentioned several times in this thread that odds are, you wouldn't be shooting much big game, you would most likely be living on small game. Example: "223/5.56 NATO will do less meat damage than a larger-bore on small/mid-size critters (which are likely to be the majority of your diet)".
I have shot quite a few rabbits with a .223. I have shot all kinds of stuff like groundhogs, chipmunks, jackrabbits etc. with all manner of centerfire cartriges and if you intend to eat them, you are going to be real hungry.
In fact, several people posted that they would most likely be shooting mostly small game and if they did shoot a big game animal, it would be at close range (I hope the animal was informed of your wishes). In that case, I think a .22 would be the way to go.
Of course, I don't agree with this line of thought, but.......................
My point exactly. It has been mentioned several times in this thread that odds are, you wouldn't be shooting much big game, you would most likely be living on small game. Example: "223/5.56 NATO will do less meat damage than a larger-bore on small/mid-size critters (which are likely to be the majority of your diet)".
I have shot quite a few rabbits with a .223. I have shot all kinds of stuff like groundhogs, chipmunks, jackrabbits etc. with all manner of centerfire cartriges and if you intend to eat them, you are going to be real hungry.
In fact, several people posted that they would most likely be shooting mostly small game and if they did shoot a big game animal, it would be at close range (I hope the animal was informed of your wishes). In that case, I think a .22 would be the way to go.
Of course, I don't agree with this line of thought, but.......................
rbernie
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45-55gr FMJ 223 loads will kill small game with little meat loss. If you use a hollow point (7.62x39, 223, or other) then yes, you're going to lose a lot of meat. But that's a bullet choice issue and not a caliber issue.
Most all of the 223 Rem ammo that I find is of the FMJ variety.
Most all of the 223 Rem ammo that I find is of the FMJ variety.
The_Antibubba
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One other possibility
It seems that the requirements are hunting, skulking, and, if necessary, fighting.
And when we are looking at the skulking part, the requirement of being able to carry 1000 rounds of ammo doesn't cut it. That's a soldier's load, not a skulker's load. A real survivalist is not going to engage superior forces, or any forces if he can help it. And ammo can be cached.
Is our survivalist going to be hunting? Maybe, but if he's smart, he'll do a lot more trapping-it doesn't use up ammo, and an animal choking in a snare isn't going to draw the enemy the way fired shots will. Combined with seine and weir fishing (where possible), and our survivor should have plenty of protein. Larger animals? Most of that deer will go to waste unless it's a small one or you're feeding a group-and if you have a group, then you're asking a different question.
And you cannot overlook the need to replenish your ammo supply. Maybe you can salvage other ammo caches or waylay a soldier or two, but you might not be able to use the ammo in your gun.
So, your best choice of those presented is a .22. If you're shooting at someone, they're not going to care about the caliber coming at them. In a survival situation, where medical help and supplies might be scarce, a .22 can cause a lingering painful death, and it's small consolation that you instantly killed the guy who shot you.
Let me offer another option: A 12 gauge pump-action shotgun. There are a variety of loads readily available, from birdshot to slugs, and a few exotic ones too-and they'll all fit in the same gun. Primitive shotshell reloading will be easier, too-scavenged powder can be used, and projectiles can be remelted into rough shot or slugs, or just gathered. NOTE: I am not advocating this for anything but the direst situation! But the lower pressures of a shotgun will, if you're careful, permit this. Metallic cartridge reloading requires tighter tolerances be met, and those AKs and SKSs will be tossing those steel-hulled, berdan-primed case for 20 yards anyway.
Admittedly, you won't be engaging targets further than 100 yards, but you really shouldn't be.
I guess the next best would be a shotgun, and a .22. Those takedown AR-7s, and a hundred rounds, you'll hardly notice in your pack.
It seems that the requirements are hunting, skulking, and, if necessary, fighting.
And when we are looking at the skulking part, the requirement of being able to carry 1000 rounds of ammo doesn't cut it. That's a soldier's load, not a skulker's load. A real survivalist is not going to engage superior forces, or any forces if he can help it. And ammo can be cached.
Is our survivalist going to be hunting? Maybe, but if he's smart, he'll do a lot more trapping-it doesn't use up ammo, and an animal choking in a snare isn't going to draw the enemy the way fired shots will. Combined with seine and weir fishing (where possible), and our survivor should have plenty of protein. Larger animals? Most of that deer will go to waste unless it's a small one or you're feeding a group-and if you have a group, then you're asking a different question.
And you cannot overlook the need to replenish your ammo supply. Maybe you can salvage other ammo caches or waylay a soldier or two, but you might not be able to use the ammo in your gun.
So, your best choice of those presented is a .22. If you're shooting at someone, they're not going to care about the caliber coming at them. In a survival situation, where medical help and supplies might be scarce, a .22 can cause a lingering painful death, and it's small consolation that you instantly killed the guy who shot you.
Let me offer another option: A 12 gauge pump-action shotgun. There are a variety of loads readily available, from birdshot to slugs, and a few exotic ones too-and they'll all fit in the same gun. Primitive shotshell reloading will be easier, too-scavenged powder can be used, and projectiles can be remelted into rough shot or slugs, or just gathered. NOTE: I am not advocating this for anything but the direst situation! But the lower pressures of a shotgun will, if you're careful, permit this. Metallic cartridge reloading requires tighter tolerances be met, and those AKs and SKSs will be tossing those steel-hulled, berdan-primed case for 20 yards anyway.
Admittedly, you won't be engaging targets further than 100 yards, but you really shouldn't be.
I guess the next best would be a shotgun, and a .22. Those takedown AR-7s, and a hundred rounds, you'll hardly notice in your pack.
Kaycee coyote
Kaycee,
Personally, I wouldn't suggest engaging enemy @ 500 yds. in most situations, but, however, it COULD be done. (By a very good shot.) Only time I'd suggest it is if you're a lone defender, and having to pick apart an enemy platoon. If you're trying to out-snipe a sniper @ 500 yds., you'll have already met the "72 virginians" before you got anything LIKE a kill shot!
Kaycee,
Personally, I wouldn't suggest engaging enemy @ 500 yds. in most situations, but, however, it COULD be done. (By a very good shot.) Only time I'd suggest it is if you're a lone defender, and having to pick apart an enemy platoon. If you're trying to out-snipe a sniper @ 500 yds., you'll have already met the "72 virginians" before you got anything LIKE a kill shot!
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It isn't military tested, but I've two Nylon 66's and a 50 caliber ammo can full of 22 lr ammo.
I also have enough 7.62x39 ammo in the garage. Can't say what for, but I expect it would do for a fair amount of time. Look around for about $250 and you could get a Saiga and a few extra 10 round mags. Or an SKS. A CZ527 with scope and spare mag would do I expect but you're taking triple the $250 cost.
Might want to go with something bigger given fair warning, but 308 ball is $40 or $50 for 200 rounds last I looked. Maybe you could get softpoints from Sellier and Beilot or Igman at $8 per 20 round box - that'd be $160 for 400 rounds soft point vs. $80 for 400 rounds ball. Add ball and softpoint together and that comes to $240/250 for 800 rounds - but you could pick it up in installments. I happen to have a Savage lever, and a mil-type semiauto with a few 20 round mags.
I'd really want a couple of 22's and a couple of sks/ak/saigas. Oh, that's right, I already have them.
I also have enough 7.62x39 ammo in the garage. Can't say what for, but I expect it would do for a fair amount of time. Look around for about $250 and you could get a Saiga and a few extra 10 round mags. Or an SKS. A CZ527 with scope and spare mag would do I expect but you're taking triple the $250 cost.
Might want to go with something bigger given fair warning, but 308 ball is $40 or $50 for 200 rounds last I looked. Maybe you could get softpoints from Sellier and Beilot or Igman at $8 per 20 round box - that'd be $160 for 400 rounds soft point vs. $80 for 400 rounds ball. Add ball and softpoint together and that comes to $240/250 for 800 rounds - but you could pick it up in installments. I happen to have a Savage lever, and a mil-type semiauto with a few 20 round mags.
I'd really want a couple of 22's and a couple of sks/ak/saigas. Oh, that's right, I already have them.
I'm a bit late to chime in on this thread, but I found it very interesting as I was looking for 'survival' type rifles today.
So I'm assuming I won't be near civilization, therefor I won't be near maintenance tools, or ammo, or Outback Steakhouse. Bolt or lever, less maintenance, available in lots of calibers. Semi-auto if it's low maintenance, but I'm less familiar with those. Also, if my mags are ever screwed up or lost, I think it'd be easier to load one shot at a time in a bolt or lever, depending on the model.
That contradicts the first assumption. I assume from 1) that I'm dropped and I don't get resupplied. I'd have probably stocked up on mechanically-apt-to-fail and easily packed parts before I go. I was already given 1000 rounds, so I'd want to make them *light*. .223 or .308 caliber is made for both types in lots of rifles, and can kill at woods ranges (100 yds?) or farther, depending on the size of the game. But .223 is cheaper (I wasn't given a cost estimate, sky is the limit!), and weighs less for more rounds. I'd go with that.
Oh that narrows it a bit. Assuming my goal is to avoid conflict, I'd go with bolt. More accurate (generally), and if I have limited rounds, I want them all to count.
6) I thought I was supposed to avoid combat? The .223 is a combat-proven round, bolt actions have been used in combat for decades, but as for specific rifles, I don't think they go for those anymore outside of snipers. 7) Most bolts can be found in lightweight models, with stainless barrels and synthetic stocks for less maintenance and more durability. Same bolt could cover 8), and STILL be used as a single shot gun by loading one shot at a time if there were magazine malfunctions.
9) Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and you can too with a shovel, a knife, and lots of leaves and branches. Dig a pit, cut some stakes, lure man/beast over pit. Hunting and survival seemed to be based more on stealth and accuracy rather than raw firepower. That said, .223 will kill both with a well-placed shot. Was I dropped behind enemy lines only to kill and eat their deer? Sheesh! 10) Define affordable? $450 or less. Something made by Savage, say a 16FXP3?
Lots of others mentioned SKS/AK types, just not for me, I guess. YMMV. Thought provoking questions, thanks for the post!
jmm
So I'm assuming I won't be near civilization, therefor I won't be near maintenance tools, or ammo, or Outback Steakhouse. Bolt or lever, less maintenance, available in lots of calibers. Semi-auto if it's low maintenance, but I'm less familiar with those. Also, if my mags are ever screwed up or lost, I think it'd be easier to load one shot at a time in a bolt or lever, depending on the model.
Lots of things are 'available', but I don't know how I was airlifted to the Land of the Lost, by Marines or by the Amish (who catapulted me via a really big trebuchet . . .) I'll assume 'available' means you can get it most places without having to mail order it, thus 'common'. Most Walmarts have it, lots of widely dispersed sporting goods chain stores carry it, and the ammo.
That contradicts the first assumption. I assume from 1) that I'm dropped and I don't get resupplied. I'd have probably stocked up on mechanically-apt-to-fail and easily packed parts before I go. I was already given 1000 rounds, so I'd want to make them *light*. .223 or .308 caliber is made for both types in lots of rifles, and can kill at woods ranges (100 yds?) or farther, depending on the size of the game. But .223 is cheaper (I wasn't given a cost estimate, sky is the limit!), and weighs less for more rounds. I'd go with that.
Oh that narrows it a bit. Assuming my goal is to avoid conflict, I'd go with bolt. More accurate (generally), and if I have limited rounds, I want them all to count.
6) I thought I was supposed to avoid combat? The .223 is a combat-proven round, bolt actions have been used in combat for decades, but as for specific rifles, I don't think they go for those anymore outside of snipers. 7) Most bolts can be found in lightweight models, with stainless barrels and synthetic stocks for less maintenance and more durability. Same bolt could cover 8), and STILL be used as a single shot gun by loading one shot at a time if there were magazine malfunctions.
9) Guns don't kill people, people kill people, and you can too with a shovel, a knife, and lots of leaves and branches. Dig a pit, cut some stakes, lure man/beast over pit. Hunting and survival seemed to be based more on stealth and accuracy rather than raw firepower. That said, .223 will kill both with a well-placed shot. Was I dropped behind enemy lines only to kill and eat their deer? Sheesh! 10) Define affordable? $450 or less. Something made by Savage, say a 16FXP3?
Lots of others mentioned SKS/AK types, just not for me, I guess. YMMV. Thought provoking questions, thanks for the post!
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You resurrected it.
1. Durable. This means, for example "placed" into Land of the Lost, etc... This means I am looking for a rifle that is durable....I ain't dino hunting.
2. Available. 'Nuff said.
3. Common parts. Can I get them easily BEFORE SHTF, and if I need to hunt AFTER SHTF, ie through destroyed/abandond buildings, etc, what are my chances of finding them? Roughly speaking of course....
4. Common ammo. Is it stocked at large stores, can it be easily ordered through the Internet, will I find it on a Mom and Pop hardwarre store shelves...something like that. Assume purchase before, search through rubble after.
5. Same.
6 Combat proven - kinda rides with #1, as a military arm is designed to take a beating, or they used to be....
7. Portabilty - same.
8. Magazine fed - same, no Chauchaut....
9. Lethality - a proven manstopper round, ie., no .22lr,.17HMR, etc., .223. 30-30, 7.62x39, 308, 300 Savage, 7.62x54R, along those lines.
10. Price - hasn't changed.
So, to update, there is a Yugo SKS in the house now, and I will need to try to get another one so we each have one....still have my Mosin M38 and ammo, just in case....
1. Durable. This means, for example "placed" into Land of the Lost, etc... This means I am looking for a rifle that is durable....I ain't dino hunting.
2. Available. 'Nuff said.
3. Common parts. Can I get them easily BEFORE SHTF, and if I need to hunt AFTER SHTF, ie through destroyed/abandond buildings, etc, what are my chances of finding them? Roughly speaking of course....
4. Common ammo. Is it stocked at large stores, can it be easily ordered through the Internet, will I find it on a Mom and Pop hardwarre store shelves...something like that. Assume purchase before, search through rubble after.
5. Same.
6 Combat proven - kinda rides with #1, as a military arm is designed to take a beating, or they used to be....
7. Portabilty - same.
8. Magazine fed - same, no Chauchaut....
9. Lethality - a proven manstopper round, ie., no .22lr,.17HMR, etc., .223. 30-30, 7.62x39, 308, 300 Savage, 7.62x54R, along those lines.
10. Price - hasn't changed.
So, to update, there is a Yugo SKS in the house now, and I will need to try to get another one so we each have one....still have my Mosin M38 and ammo, just in case....
M110
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Hmmmm I just picked up a AI Arms M10-a2 for $450. Call it a modern version of the #5 enfield jungle carbine in 7.62x39. Uses AK mags too.
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2700/2750.htm
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2700/2750.htm
KaceCoyote
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Where can I get one? This sounds perfect for my B/F.
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