Ruger 10/22 and Aguila 60g Subsonic

[Domino]

Ok, so my dad bought me this 10/22 and I thought I might use it with the Aguila 60g ammo and use one of the Volquartsen barrels designed with the proper twist to stabilize the heavy 60g bullet, but the ammo fails to cycle through the gun and didn't eject properly. It generates 120 ft lbs compared to the 130 ft lbs that the Remington 36g bulk pack generates and it functions with the Remington but not the Aguila? Is there any way to make the ammo work properly with aftermarket parts or simple modifications? The Aguila works in my MKII so its kinda wierd.

 

[dfaugh]

Hmmm...

Not sure about feeding problems...It cycles my Marlin 60 just fine...But don't assume you need a different barrel...When I tried it in the Marlin I found that it was just about as accurate as the Federal Target ammo which has had the best results in my gun(no idea what the twist in my gun is). It does drop like a rock tho...At 50 yards it groups 4-5" lower than the Federal, can't imagine what it would do at longer ranges...I got some to try because it was subsonic, hoped it wouldn't irritate my neighbors when I shoot pests off the back porch...But the difference in noise (subjectively anyway) is minimal compared to 38-40 grain standard velocity loads...

 

[jojo]

I'm interested to hear how this turns out. I have the same set up as you do Domino. I just haven't used the 60 grain SS ammo yet.
Be sure to post what you find.

jojo

 

[Roland of Gilead]

SSS cycles in my 10/22, and my mkIII. I now have Volquartsen titanium action, but it cycled in my stock action also. My barrel is a .920 Butler Creek Co-Polymer, stock length. Hits my revolving target at POA set with 40 gr. Federal Lightning at 40 yards too, and groups nearly as well, especially in med-high wind.

 

[El Rojo]

Now I am glad I didn't buy the 60 gr. SSS. I too need to shoot some squirrels in the back yard, but don't even want to risk a bullet bouncing around the neighborhood (I even have a six foot tall cinder block wall in my back yard). What I did buy and what you might find works better are the Aguila Colibri. I have only shot them at about 20 or 30 yards and the accuracy is horrible, but I only need about 10-15 yards in my back yard and when the spring comes back around I will get them sighted in. The Colibri's are as quiet or quieter than a pellet gun. They do not cycle my 10/22, but you just use them like a bolt gun. Shoot one and pull back the bolt. I did find I had feeding problems on the last round, so try not to shoot 9 round before reloading.

Last year I trapped 10 ground squirrels in my dad's cat trap out of my backyard and then gave them the coup de grâce with the BB gun. I found I had a hard time getting that BB gun dialed in for shooting the squirrels, but I think I will have more confidence in my 10/22 this year. I can't wait, but yet, I can. (I HATE GROUND SQUIRRELS!)

 

[mtnbkr]

Try cutting a radius on the rear of the bolt were it contacts the hammer. It'll reduce the force necessary to cycle the gun. Or, you can send it to Connecticut Precision Chambering and have them do that and a bunch of other bolt work (adjust headspace, lock FP with pin rather than factory staking, jeweling, etc) for $50 shipped.

Chris

 

[kaferhaus]

The vast majority of rimfires have a 1:16" twist

The Aguila 60s should operate your 10/22... is the action clean? This should always be checked first and is the culprit most of the time.

Subsonic ammo is mostly a come-on.

Most standard velocity 22LR ammo is already subsonic.

If you want substantailly less noise you'll have to go to a CB cap or something of that nature which will also not cycle your action and expect you're maximum effective range to be about 20-25yds.

Or just buy an air-rifle.... BUT some of them make as much noise as a standard 22LR!!


I use the CCI CB Longs... same noise as the CB but feeds much better

 

[Domino]

But don't assume you need a different barrel

Well, the bullets seem to start tumbling in the air at around 25 yards. I'm pretty sure I would need a faster twist to stabilize the heavier bullet.

Try cutting a radius on the rear of the bolt were it contacts the hammer. It'll reduce the force necessary to cycle the gun.

Neat, I would like to try that but my only concern is that the is that 10/22's cycle soo easily from the factory that I'm not sure that I could tell if I was making a difference while working. Perhaps I'll just buy a new bolt assembly and give a try, thanks for the advice Chris!

Subsonic ammo is mostly a come-on.

Yeah but the 60g bullets would be PERFECT for actually taking out small game and keeping noise to a minimal. It's funny though, when I was shooting some of that Remington Bulk stuff I noticed that there is a huge variance in velocity between cartridges. You can hear the ones that go over the sound barrier and the ones that don't are super quiet.

I'm interested to hear how this turns out. I have the same set up as you do Domino. I just haven't used the 60 grain SS ammo yet.

I will keep a thread going on my adventures, but I have yet to actually buy the Volquartsen barrel as there is no point because my gun doesn't cycle the ammunition it was designed to shoot. I just have the basic run-of-the-mill 10/22, wood stock, blued, and $150. Thanks for the interest Jojo!

 

[mtnbkr]

Domino, I had CPC do their bolt work on my bolt and I shoot subsonic, high velocity, etc. I haven't had a bit of trouble.

Chris

 

[Mike Hull]

I would do like kaferhaus, and use CCI, CB longs, and just manually cycle the action for each shot.

One other thing you could try. Get an extra recoil spring(s), and remove a half coil at a time, trying it after each cut(it shouldn't take very much at all), till the aguila works. You will have to swap out the springs, and use the unmodified for regular loads though, or it might beat your bolt too much.

 

[kayak bum]

It functions fine in mine (Butler Creek barrel); the action is stock, but is also 20 years old (some of those very hard years....) FWIW the stuff groups well in my 10/22, but keyholes someything aweful from my 77/22.

 

[El Rojo]

Yeah but the 60g bullets would be PERFECT for actually taking out small game and keeping noise to a minimal.

That is the problem, there seems to be very little difference between subsonic ammo and regular ammo in the noise department. I honestly can't tell if there is a difference between regular ammo and subsonic. Try some of the Colibri's. They are fun if nothing else.

 

[KarbineKrazy]

I know the remington gold bullets sound a lot different then Federals or CCIs.

My load of choice, american eagle 38 grn. HP

 

[Domino]

Thanks for the replies, I'll mess with it a bit and see what I come up with.

 

[Roland of Gilead]

SSS is not quieter in a semi auto because when the bolt cycles, you can hear the blowback. This is because the shorter case lets gas escape earlier. Standard Velocity CCI or Pistol Target Match CCI is usually quieter in a semi-auto with no suppressor. Their longer case makes for less blowback. If you had a suppressor on a bolt rifle, you'd see that in the right gun, SSS is really quiet. My friend is a USDA wildlife control officer, he has a full-barrel supressed 10/22, and a suppressed Marlin bolt rifle. Subsonics don't reveal their potential until you hear them go thru a suppressor.
Super Colibri contain no powder, shoot from primer only. They are also only 20gr. projectiles. They shoot very low (6" or so) to a high velocity 40 gr. POA at 35 yards. In my MkIII they are as loud as ratshot. In my 10/22 they are pretty quiet, but even with titanium action it still doesn't cycle them.