Ruger LCP - reports of broken trigger mechanism - Warning to LCP owners!

[jocko]

peening slides

my 3 bad slides were all out of the 2nd generation 380 kt's. My 3 broken hammer springs were all ouf of 2nd generation 380 kt's. My defective trigger bar was out of a 2nd generation kt 380. My walking frame pin which destroyed the frame was out of a 2nd generation kt 380. Still a few bugs walking around in the kt 380's. I will admit they are getting better as time goes on.

 

[Flopsy]

"If anything, I'd say buy two LCP's. One in each pocket, or one in pocket, other on ankle."

My solution to a gun being defective is usually not to buy more of them. But it's your money.

 

[wristtwister]

No Sissie pistols...

I really hope that people get over this fascination with these scaled down sissie pistols and start manufacturing real guns again. All these polymers will work for some period of time, and all these "good as" metal compounds will work... for some period of time... but real guns have metal parts and work on demand.

I've got a Smith Model 19 that I bought in 1970 (.357 mag) that still looks new, and I couldn't count the rounds that have been run through it. I shoot and carry .40 cal Smith 4006's, and the only parts that ever break on those guns are the nylon parts that get brittle and shatter over time.

Building guns out of stainless and mild steel might drive the cost up a bit, but they are normally solid guns that work when called on. Heat treating and quality control are the things that make them work, and while I like all my guns, I depend on the ones that are made out of something that wasn't selected for use because it's lighter than steel.

I've got a P22 that has a chewed up slide because there is a nicked up piece that was installed as some kind of trigger device... and it simply chewed up the polymer slide every time it fired until now it looks like scalloped potatoes. A metal slide would have worn off the nick in the trigger device, or at least have smoothed it so it didn't stick when fired... but that gun was $250 and my Beretta .380 was $250 with all metal parts, and hasn't missed a lick over the same time period... not hard to see which one I would depend on to protect myself just from a reliability standpoint (ignoring caliber).

If a gun's too heavy for you, go to a smaller caliber. They usually weigh less anyway... even with metal parts. Just try to get one with a high capacity magazine.

WT

 

[sm]

Building guns out of stainless and mild steel might drive the cost up a bit, but they are normally solid guns that work when called on. Heat treating and quality control are the things that make them work, and while I like all my guns, I depend on the ones that are made out of something that wasn't selected for use because it's lighter than steel.

Agree.

I personally have not shot a KT in 32 or 380, nor this LCP.
I don't want to.

I prefer the old proven smaller guns, such as the Beretta Jetfire, for tasks most folks are buying these new smaller guns.

Yes, the Jetfire is 25ACP, it also has a better trigger, easier to load, unload and make safe, and it is quite accurate and easy to shoot.

Better to have 6 rounds of 25ACP than 0 rounds of 32 or .380.

We need the 25ACP small guns of yesteryear, made of real steel, with craftsmanship and quality.

Plus the .22 lr and .22 short versions.

Beretta Minx (.22 short) is a serious tool as it allows one affordable quality practice for the Jetfire.

Same reason a J frame in .22 lr is for a 38spl.

Manufactures need to quit listening to Marketing, and instead learn from History.

 

[tblt]

problom with cast parts sometimes you get cracks.Good casting even get them.
This is also why I carry a revolver bang everytime.

 

[5ptdeerhunter]

So does anyone have a guess as to when it might be a better time to buy one of these? I love Ruger guns and I just took my ccw class today, and was planning on getting one to carry in a few months. Will Ruger make the necessary adjustments in production, or will they continue to distribute a gun that might not work?

 

[Old Fuff]

A bit off topic, but anyway...

Building guns out of stainless and mild steel might drive the cost up a bit, but they are normally solid guns that work when called on. Heat treating and quality control are the things that make them work, and while I like all my guns, I depend on the ones that are made out of something that wasn't selected for use because it's lighter than steel.

Today I looked at a revolver... to be specific, a Smith & Wesson .38, 1899 Army Model.

"What is that," you might ask? Well it's one of the very first M&P revolvers built on their then new K-frame. The army only bought 1000 of them in 1901, I presume to try them out. But they're interest was starting to shift toward a .45.

The point I'm trying to make is that this handgun was about 107 years old - slightly over a century. But it was fully functional, and I could have loaded the cylinder and taken it out and shot it. It locked up like a bank vault, and the timing was dead on.

Supposedly modern materials and technology are much more superior then what was availabe during that era, but if today's products don't work out-of-the-box, what will they be like 107 or so years down the road?

The U.S. Army Model 1899 is obviously obsolete - a relic of a past century.

Or is it?

 

[jocko]

Kahr P380

While at the NRA convention today, I had a chance to see the new Kahr P380 that will be out sometime in June. Until you see this gun, please don't judge it on the price of it, for this is one of the finest little 380 that I have ever seen. It eaks in quality,and is smaller than the kt and lcp. The kahr people told me that the test gun that they had on display had over 25,000 rounds through it and no breakage. It is built just like a PM9 in every detail ONLY ultra small...I know one will be in my arsenal when they come out..They did say it will be available later on in the black diamond DLC finish and also with factory ntie sites.

 

[razz]

Another broken LCP...

How do I edit my first original post?

Anyway, here is an update. I found another report but it looks like it didn't break on the same area. His broke at 414th round.



pics by Jax

RugerForum.com :: View topic - LCP broken trigger pivot

 

[inherentical]

Should have copied a 2nd Gen KelTec . instead of a 1st gen. 2nd has the bugs worked out.

Hehe. That's pretty good. I'll have to use that when I talk to my buddy who's looking for an LCP.

 

[Newton]

No problems with mine so far at 300 rounds, also know of someone who put 1,300 rounds through one in 2 weeks with no issues !!

I'll be watching though.

 

[jocko]

rtmpick

humm: damn funny I have had two second generation kt380 and sent them back 11 times. 3 replaced slides on one gun, broken trigger, 3 broken hammer springs, one cracked grip, bad trigger bar. Two bad barrels, YUP, all 2nd generation kt 380.

 

[blackcash88]

Who let u out of the Ruger forum, jocko?

 

[MICHAEL T]

humm: damn funny I have had two second generation kt380 and sent them back 11 times. 3 replaced slides on one gun, broken trigger, 3 broken hammer springs, one cracked grip, bad trigger bar. Two bad barrels, YUP, all 2nd generation kt 380.

You posted this 2 times in 11 posts. Really hate KT don't you. By way I have 3 2nd Gen KT and all over 500 rounds and never been returned to factory or had any issues with them.
Guess I am just a lucky guy.

 

[blackcash88]

Oh, trust me, jocko's a KT huge fanboy from days long gone by. He was big on KTOG until they basically ran him off.

 

[inherentical]

humm: damn funny I have had two second generation kt380 and sent them back 11 times. 3 replaced slides on one gun, broken trigger, 3 broken hammer springs, one cracked grip, bad trigger bar. Two bad barrels, YUP, all 2nd generation kt 380.

Wow, that's terrible. Whenever I've heard about serious problems in the past, Kel-Tec has generally replaced the whole gun. I'd for sure steer clear of the LCP if I were you. No point in doing Ruger's beta testing for them.

 

[blackcash88]

I have a couple of P3ATs (a 1st and 2nd gen) and they work okay. The 2nd gen is better, but it's been replaced for pocket carry duty with a Kahr PM9. I got a bit excited over the new LCP, but I'm going to wait for Kahr's P380 as I love my reliable, accurate PM9. It's smaller than both the P3AT and LCP and actually has a functional magazine activated slide lock. I'll bet my next paycheck that P380 is going to be a hot seller...and command an equivalent price. But...I'm the kind of person that would rather pay more for quality once up front than get burned like people have with the LCP and the TONS burned by Kel-Tec. I'll still give it about 6 months or so after it comes out to read the range reports, but I'll bet Kahr did their homework as it's an exact scaled down copy of their own PM9. Plus it actually has usable sights and because they're dovetailed it will accept night sites, too. Not sure it's really needed on something this small, but it's a nice option that isn't possible with the P3AT.



Side by side comparison with the PM9.

 

[jocko]

tmpick

1000 rounds through my Ruger lcp with zero issues, no complaints.

 

[moooose102]

No Sissie pistols...

well, you know, that is fine, when you can dress to hide that big s&w, but try going to the beech and concealing it! or to a swap meet in 95 degree sunshine. in those situations, shorts and a t shirt is about all you can wear. and a pocket pistol is about all you can conceal. personally, i really like knowing i have the stopping power of 230 g. hornady xtps on my hip. but when i can not hide that big 45acp, i would rather have a kel-tec or lcp in my pocket than a stick i can pick up off the ground! so PLEASE, lets stop bashing small guns, and get back to the real subject. this was a courtesy warning to all who own, or are thinking of buying one. to let them know there may be a problem. so, it seems to me, that if a person has one, KEEP a close eye out when cleaning the gun. you may be able to keep it from failing if you carch the problem when it is just a crack. then you could order a replacement part, and fix it before it fails. of course, it doesn't always happen that way, but sometimes it will.

 

[drew2676]

Fail to feed

I just recieved my new lcp last week and have shot it twice puting two hundred rouns through it. Each time the weapon would fail to feed the final two rounds in the magazine. I cleaned the gun, applied oil,switched ammunition and magazines, same problem! Anyone else experiencing this problem?

 

[DevilDog0402]

I have to agree with everybody that I would not buy the first run of anything. I won't buy a new car in its first model year, I'll wait until they've worked all the bugs out.

I think Ruger will come through and make it right, it may take them a little while...

 

[RUT]

>>1000 rounds through my Ruger lcp <<

That's got to be an all time "mouse gun" record!!

 

[berkbw]

From what I interpret from seeing the broken LCP parts, Ruger has either a problem with material, These parts shouldn't fail so cleanly across the crystal lattice. Too brittle. This "should" be an easy fix for Ruger Design.

b-

 

[inherentical]

That's got to be an all time "mouse gun" record!!

Especially for only owning it a month. I can only take about 50 rounds from my P3AT before I put it down for a couple weeks. He's averaging 35 a day since he got it.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=359189

 

[MCgunner]

By the time they get the bugs out, they'll probably have caught up with demand. So, I ain't real worried about it. I'm kinda cooling on the small .380 idea anyway. I've sorta been batting around the idea for a while, but I don't wanna be tempted to carry a .380 over my subcompact 9 just for the convenience, LOL. The 9 is easy enough to carry and a bit more gun if I actually need it.

Unless I'm taking a trip or something, I normally carry no back up. I might have my NAA .22 on me, maybe. I live in a small town with little violent crime. The threat level doesn't warrant going around armed for combat in Iraq.