Ruger OA vs Rem 1858

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I've been doing lots of reading in the BP forum.

Thought I had figured out that I wanted a Reminton 1858 New Army.

But then I read some about the Ruger Old Army.

The Ruger can hold more powder. Seems to be just as solid as the 1858, or even more solid.

And it's made by a very reputable company.

I want big power.

Is the Ruger my best choice? Or a modded 1858?
 
Hi Vermonter...

Just bought this minty Ruger OA stainless - "200th Year Commemorative" for $375 OTD.
Can't speak for any 1858s but, from a "well-built and sturdy" angle, the OA is absolutely Awesome!
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:D
 
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Sundance44s

Only problem i have with the ROA ( Ruger old army ) is who`s army ? I know who`s army the Remington was used by . Jokeing aside if ya aren`t into being period correct with guns used by our army in the 1800`s ..the Ruger is a solid built revolver built with todays shooters in mind . May be in 200 years or so i`ll give`em a try .
 
The Ruger is by far the better revolver from a constuction point of view, as it is in effect a black-powder Blackhawk. On the other hand it's much more expensive then a Remington replica, and isn't a clone of some 19th century revolver. As shooting goes you have the option of Ruger's better adjustable rear sight, and they pay closer attention to bore/chamber dimensions that increases accuracy and perhaps adds a little velocity.

You can get a bit more powder in the Ruger's chamber, but keep in mind that no black powder revolver (other then a replica Colt Walker) is a powerhouse when matched against a modern .44 or .45 cartridge revolver.
 
Go with the Ruger

Far more strength and better design. Bill Ruger had the luxury of designing it about a hundred years after Cap and Ball revolvers were all the rage. While the Ruger should be very accurate, most owners of the 1858's get good accuracy with them. The only knock I can think of against the '58 is they tend to foul up with BP residue pretty quick.
 
Sundance44s

Shawnee ... bad as i hate to admit ..i`m sure it was the north side that got the Remington 1858 ...but i`m sure some battle fields yelded a few pick ups for the boys in grey . After all they had the right balls and powder to use them too. I once owned a brass frame remmie thinking it was produced by the South during the war ...and i wanted a reproduction of one ...Darn shame i found out it never happened ...so i sold that one ,,to a guy up north ..lol :D
 
It's not a question of the Ruger OA vs Rem 1858, but...which one first? Every gun I get is going to be my last. I have a full framed Spiller & Burr, basically the same design as the Remington, but I want another Remington. And the store in Maine where I buy my toys has quite a few Rugers, new and used, and I want one, too. Accept the fact that you will have both at some point.
 
I think it comes down to how historical you want to be, and how much you want to spend - the Ruger has no history beyond 1970, and it's also at least twice the price of a Remington. You won't find a more accurate BP revolver than a Remington (and I'm a Colt guy - I traded my Uberti Remington to Smokin' Gun for his Paterson). Then again, I've never owned a Ruger BP, and if I did I'd probably be pushing the Ruger. I have a Ruger Speed Six 38/357 and I wouldn't trade it for a Sig, Glock, Baretta, etc. Ruger does make quality firearms.
I think I'm back to, "Get both.":confused::confused::confused:
 
Ruger or Remmie ?

Lemme See...

$ 550.00 equals one Ruger or TWO Pietta Remmies.

The Ruger is a heck of a gun but a pair of anything beats an Ace anytime !;)

I got a 1858 from Cabela's for less than $ 200.00 and spent another $ 25.00 on a set of stainless TRM nipples and have had ZERO problems.

I'll be votin' fer the Remmie !

Cincinnati Slim
 
I will NOT let these bounders talk me into buying an 1858! :cuss:
I will NOT let these bounders talk me into buying an 1858! :cuss:
I will NOT let these bounders talk me into buying an 1858! :cuss:
I will NOT let these bounders talk me into buying an 1858! :cuss:
I will NOT let these bounders talk me into buying an 1858! :cuss:
I will NOT let these bounders talk me into buying an 1858! :cuss:
I will NOT let these bounders talk me into buying an 1858! :banghead:
 
Get the Ruger. If money is tight, get a USED Ruger for about the price of a new Remington 58. I just did and the Ruger is just the MUCH better revolver. You can get a used in like new or never shot condition for about $350. Gently used ones for less.

Can't go wrong. It is my favorite firearm.
 
Psst! Hey... Shawnee!
WorldClassNewArmy_lg1.jpg


[Bugs Bunny voice] heheheh.... ain't I a stinker? :D [/Bugs Bunny voice]


J.C.
 
Does the ROA have to be shipped to a FFL since it's not a reproduction?

edit: It's basically a modernized repro of the 1858, isn't it?
 
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Sundance44s

Jamie that looks like a fondleing piece ...and a piece of history to boot ..at a much better price than a Rooger from an army that never exsisted.....looks like an easy choice to me . Ruger just tried to copy Remington ...but they just dont look right / feel right . If Ruger ever sold as many as Remmies the price would come down .
Had a Ruger Black Hawk once clunky chunky cold feeling thing .
 
Ok Lucifer...

Dawg, Man!!! :eek:
Where you done got dat Houn Dawg, J.C.?

Holy Toledo! That thing is prettier than the Law allows!

What brand is that rascal and how did you come across one so gussied up like that? Don't tell me you did that engraving yourself!! I'd give several dollars for a piece like that!!!
 
"Does the ROA have to be shipped to a FFL since it's not a reproduction?"

Since it uses unconventional ammo, you don't need an FFL. Convert to cartridge and everything changes.
 
Dawg, Man!!!
Where you done got dat Houn Dawg, J.C.?

Holy Toledo! That thing is prettier than the Law allows!

What brand is that rascal and how did you come across one so gussied up like that? Don't tell me you did that engraving yourself!! I'd give several dollars for a piece like that!!!
Click to expand...

So I'm guessing the ship has done sailed, concerning anybody talking you into an 1858? *g*

Unfortunately, I don't happen to have that particular "Houn dog" just yet ( "Yet" being the operative word here ). Nor can I claim any particular engraving skills either... :(

However, folks with more money than I currently have can find 'em here:
Uberti World Class

Granted, the MSRP seems a little high... but I'm sure a fellow can find one much cheaper than that without too much effort though.


J.C.
 
Hi J.C....

Cool website and the videos are good. Looked all over the site and didn't see any pistolas that looked as fancy as the one above though. :confused:
???? What is/was the sticker price on the one above?

Many thanks!:)
 
Shawnee, it's right there under "World Class"...

Here... it's right here: New Army

They also have a couple of S&W top breaks that have been "gussied up", as well as a couple of rifles.

The MSRP on that 1858 is $580, btw, but I suspect the usual $100-$125 deduction can be applied here.
( MSRPs are almost always at least that amount over what an item actually sells for, in my experience. )



J.C.
 
Hi J.C....

Mea Culpa.... sheeesh. I'm not as sharp as I used to be and I'm startin' to wonder if I ever was !! :(

$580, $480, whew. Kinda breathtaking numbers there!

But that piece sure is Fine! :uhoh:

Many thanks!!
 
Yeah, $480 seems kind'a steep.... until you figure in the cost of the gun+engraving+a nickel job.

Taking it all into consideration, relative to having it done to a gun you already have, it really doesn't seem like a very high price to me at all. Especially when compared to the cost of a new Ruger Old Army. ( Ruger lists the brushed-finish Stainless 7 1/2 inch O.A. at $606, and $654 for a polished one with a 5 1/2 inch barrel.)

And no matter what, it's still cheaper than mid-range 1911. And probably more fun too. :D


J.C.
 
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