Ruger PC Charger

[Choctaw]

That's pretty cool, but only a 6.5" barrel. Might as well have a Glock 17L?

Imagine if Ruger made that thing with a telescoping bolt and a mag in the grip to get more barrel out of the same overall length? Probably not a big enough deal with 9mm ballistically if the barrel only made it to 10", though.

Just thinking out loud. That is a very interesting development from Ruger.

Well, I think any firearm you can shoulder will be more accurate than one that is just held in two hands. The barrel length is perfect for a 9mm. I'm in!

 

[ATLDave]

Well, I think any firearm you can shoulder will be more accurate than one that is just held in two hands.

Exactly. 3 points of contact gets you improvements in accuracy and recoil control. That's completely separate from the question of what extra barrel length gets you. In 9mm, barrel length past 6" doesn't get you a lot ballistically.

 

[Rule3]

I am beginning to HATE Ruger! Keep coming out with more cool stuff!
Brought out the 5.7 pistol, clone of my FN
Now this a clone of my CZ Scorpion at first glance.

 

[mdThanatos]

I really need to put a filter on my internet to stop me from looking at this stuff you guys post. I have been wanting a 9mm setup like this and have been looking at the Scorpion, Stribog and now this to consider.....you guys are horrible.......in a good way.

 

[Texas10mm]

I was about to pull the trigger on a Stribog. I'll buy this instead!

 

[mdauben]

Also, why is the barrel takedown? I assume Ruger kept that feature to use the same receivers, but a takedown with a 6 inch barrel? That adds nothing to this gun.

I was watching a video last night that demonstrated that if you add a suppressor, the length of the barrel + suppressor is about the same as the rest of the gun, so in that application it makes some sense. Without the can, though, I agree the takedown feature doesn't add much.

 

[straightshooterjake]

At first I thought the takedown feature does not make much sense on a short barrelled pistol, but after further thought, I realized that the takedown feature adds interesting modularity. So even though taking down the pistol might not be that useful, switching components will be very easy.

For example:

• It will be easy to convert the pistol to a carbine. The usual rules apply about never constructing a short barrelled config with a stock, but still, pistol to rifle and then back to pistol would be easy with the right parts.
  
• Aftermarket companies can create new front ends that just swap in place.
• So Ruger, or anyone else, can make an ultra-lightweight 10" or 11" barrel for those who want it.
• Picture an 11" integrally suppressed forend. It could be shorter than the barrel + suppressor, while still having a very large suppressor.

So I think the modularity offered by takedown may help to build a strong aftermarket. And that may make the whole platform even more desirable.

 

[IdaD]

I'm intrigued by it. I think it would be a lot of fun, and a really capable home defense and truck gun. The barrel length doesn't bother me at all because it offers some flexibility if you want to suppress it but it also should keep velocities within designed parameters for defensive hollow points.

 

[rodinal220]

When the dust settles, this is on my list, and then I will wait for the 10mm version, Ruger are you listening?

 

[Texas10mm]

When the dust settles this is one my list, and then I will wait for the 10mm version, Ruger are you listening?

I believe you're in for a very long wait.

 

[Havok7416]

I believe you're in for a very long wait.

Long as in eternity.

 

[MAKster]

Don't hold your breath. I talked with a Ruger engineer at a NRA show and designing the PCC to accept .45 ACP wasn't even on their radar. As he explained it it would require a complete redesign of the carbine. Basically starting with a clean sheet of paper. The higher ups at Ruger didn't see a return on investment.

While there might not be enough consumer demand for a 45acp version, I see no design reason why they couldn't produce it. Plenty of companies produce a 45acp version of their PCC. These PCCs are way overbuilt for 9mm so shouldn't have any issue with 45acp. Basically just needs a new bolt face and recoil spring.

 

[Texas10mm]

While there might not be enough consumer demand for a 45acp version, I see no design reason why they couldn't produce it. Plenty of companies produce a 45acp version of their PCC. These PCCs are way overbuilt for 9mm so shouldn't have any issue with 45acp. Basically just needs a new bolt face and recoil spring.

Not according to the Ruger engineer I spoke too.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

I really like it, and I like that it has a 1913 rail segment for the stock attachment. This is an easy-peasy Form 4 SBR manufacture. I wish it took Scorpion Evo magazines rather than pistol magazines, though. I think for PCC, making your gun compatible with Scorpion Evo mags is the best option - cheaper and lighter than Colt or Uzi SMG magazines or Sig MPX magazines, but designed to stick out below a magazine well unlike pistol magazines.

 

[Texas10mm]

I really like it, and I like that it has a 1913 rail segment for the stock attachment. This is an easy-peasy Form 4 SBR manufacture. I wish it took Scorpion Evo magazines rather than pistol magazines, though. I think for PCC, making your gun compatible with Scorpion Evo mags is the best option - cheaper and lighter than Colt or Uzi SMG magazines or Sig MPX magazines, but designed to stick out below a magazine well unlike pistol magazines.

What's wrong with Glock mags? You can get them up to 33 rounds and then get some +20 bottom metal for them.

 

[Madcap_Magician]

What's wrong with Glock mags? You can get them up to 33 rounds and then get some +20 bottom metal for them.

Nothing is intrinsically wrong with them, I just think they're bulkier than necessary because of the plastic, and they have the back witness holes for gunk to work into. Scorpion mags are just as cheap and look like they were designed to go on a sub gun.

 

[GarrettJ]

It will be really interesting if the short barrel assemblies are available by themselves. It might be interesting to permanently mount a Form 1 can to the end, and then be able to swap it back and forth on a PC Carbine.

Or just SBR the Charger.

 

[Havok7416]

It will be really interesting if the short barrel assemblies are available by themselves. It might be interesting to permanently mount a Form 1 can to the end, and then be able to swap it back and forth on a PC Carbine.

Or just SBR the Charger.

I was hoping for this as well, but based on Ruger's disinterest in selling the new handguards as separate items, I'm not holding my breath.

 

[Texas10mm]

I was hoping for this as well, but based on Ruger's disinterest in selling the new handguards as separate items, I'm not holding my breath.

It's as simple as just the handguards. They attach quite differently than the factory handguard.

 

[Havok7416]

Just saw the PC Charger listed between $580 and $625 at various stores online. Seems like a decent enough price.

This gun may fit for me after all. I was considering a slightly different project but this generally fits the bill too.

 

[Texas10mm]

Did any of them have it in stock?

 

[Havok7416]

Yes, but that was then. I haven't checked back.

 

[C0untZer0]

MSRP of $799.00, which is the same as the chassis model PC carbines. Yet the carbines include the adjustable stock and have a bunch more expensive metal in front of the receiver.

Ruger, whatcha thinkin'? Do you expect "black gun" demand to spike this year or what?

I think "Black Gun" demand is spiking

 

[Legionnaire]

I like it! Saw it on Ruger's website, but hadn't seen a video yet. I really like my PCC; this is even cooler.

 

[SSN Vet]

Personally, it has no appeal to me. But hey, whatever floats your boat.