Saying NRA isn't imaginative, splinter groups seek more aggressive tactic.

[tunnug]

Some smaller local groups are very well organized and very effective, case in point, Arizona Citizens Defense League, the outfit that spearheaded many of the good gun law changes in AZ, including the Constitutional Carry, which they don't receive enough credit for, since the NRA decided to step in at the end.
the NRA does a great job, and I have no issues, but some of the smaller outfits doing things locally are winning great battles.

Funny I should read this, this past weekend we had a gunshow where I helped out at their table, we had someone come by and start telling us that the NRA sponsored the bill and did all the legwork behind it to get it passed which is so far from the truth, it's ridiculous that anyone would think that.

 

[searcher451]

We've had some threads on this forum, and some even relatively recently, that expressed similar feelings about the NRA and its current proficiency rate. But a gun advocate would be a foolish man, indeed, to ignore it, or step around it, or take it on, IMO. If it's not the 800-pound gorilla in the room, the NRA is certainly the 775-pound gorilla in the room -- and with good reason. Just consider the NRA's role in the last Supreme Court case ...

 

[TexasBill]

I don't agree with many of the NRA's stances on things which not surprising since I am a liberal Democrat. But I am a member and will continue to be a member because the NRA not only champions our Second Amendment rights, it does so much more. I am also a member of the Texas State Rifle Association because they do good groundwork at the state level.

Sure, I'd like to wake up tomorrow and find that the federal government has adopted the Vermont/Alaska/Arizona standards as the national pattern and it's binding on the states. Do I think that's going to happen? No. But I think with steady pressure and education of the public, it could someday be a reality. But it is going to take a large, well-funded champion to make it so and, right now, that champion is the NRA.

 

[danprkr]

Does the NRA, "fading into the background" mean I wasted my life membership money?

Don't get me wrong, I wish the NRA would be more aggressive, but as someone pointed out no group as large as the NRA is going to represent everyone exactly as they'd like to be represented. So, I do support other groups, but that without the NRA those other groups would be spitting into a hurricane.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Well, I Dunno . . .

I don't see any positive developments resulting from today's rallies. In fact, they could be counterproductive. Firearm ownership should, I contend, be a calm, rational choice of conduct and not a loud, "in your face" kind of thing.

When I was in the USAF, I remember various rowdy marches, demonstrations, sit-ins, and so on.

They were obnoxious. They were unkempt. They were badly behaved. They had no respect for authority. They were, frankly, arrogant in their dismissal of "the system" and their self-selected nemesis, "the Man." A real bunch of hardcore losers.

If there was ever a bunch of clowns with whom you didn't want to be associated, that would be them.

And they were very much "in your face."


Those same obnoxious, arrogant, dismissive, badly behaved losers are running things today.


There may be a lesson here. It may have something to do with refusing to sit down, shut up, and do as you're told.


Now, whether this bunch of old demonstration/marching/sit-in veterans will tolerate any kind of similar civil disobedience from the ordinary man in the street remains to be seen. I think it can safely be said, though, that a certain amount of rowdy can surely be effective.

Just sayin'.

 

[Dimis]

I do agree that the NRA isnt enough but in the same voice there is a better way than full on protest
the hippies didnt stop viet nam the million man march didnt stop racism and a group of loud obnoxious gun owners wont change big governments mind either

in a perfect world we would have full freedom of arms

in my personal opinion (and only my opinion) anyone who is legaly allowed to own a firearm should not be with held that right no matter what the arm truthfuly is

before anyone jumps down my throat i know some feel that they dont need full auto or any destructive device and thats fine thats YOUR choice simply dont buy them but to limit MY choice because of your choice is biggoted and wrong (again my opinion)

were not talking about unlawful ownership or ownership for terroristic or threatening purposes were talking about those of us that enjoy the owning and operation of various arms for various lawful reasons

same goes for open and concealed carry i dont believe that YOUR fear of my firearm should dissavow my ability to protect myself and others no matter where my location

sure sertain restrictions need to be in place we wouldnt want criminals with firearms so background checks are still a need
and understrained irrisponcible gun owners shouldnt be allowed to carry so some form of training course need be applied

but to flat out tell us no is an outrage and above that illogical and without a true reason other than your fear
it falls close to the "guilty untill proven innocent" mindset we have instilled since courtroom cases have become broadcast for entertainment purposes
"that man has a gun he must be a crazed loon"
last i checked ownership does not make one insane irrational or most importantly guilty of anything

the gun laws of today are attempting to be pre-emptive and that is not how our legal system was developed
we are a reactive system take it for what it is but no man (or woman) can be convicted of a crime before it is commited and i feel restriction on our 2A rights is just that

will my rant change anything? probably not
am i smart enough to take on the government? deffinatly not (as im sure you can tell by my spelling etc.)
am i an NRA member? yup because of the way i answered the previous two questions i put my hope and faith in an organization that may make some headway in the battle for the 2A

thanks for the time to rant

 

[JohnBT]

"Those same obnoxious, arrogant, dismissive, badly behaved losers are running things today."

Damn, don't like your fellow citizens much, do you.

 

[kamagong]

I think these groups, taken as a whole, are a very good thing. Just like GOA, JFPO, etc, it is important to have a set of small bulldogs nipping at the heels of the big, old, much more powerful dog to keep it fighting in the right direction.

Further these give the more extreme or rational of us a place to go to get BETTER representation of our views than what the NRA is willing to push (or can afford to push without ostracizing it's more "mainstream" membership).

Excellent point. One of the those so-called "splinter groups" is Calguns, and one of the primary reasons it came about is that many here in California feel that the NRA has abandoned us. A widely held perception is that while the NRA is quite eager to raise money here, it chooses to use that money elsewhere and does not do enough in California. Because it is a local group Calguns can more easily address the specific issues that Californians consider important. But I don't see it as a splinter group at all, I and many others like me are members of both the NRA and Calguns.

 

[armoredman]

Quote:
Some smaller local groups are very well organized and very effective, case in point, Arizona Citizens Defense League, the outfit that spearheaded many of the good gun law changes in AZ, including the Constitutional Carry, which they don't receive enough credit for, since the NRA decided to step in at the end.
the NRA does a great job, and I have no issues, but some of the smaller outfits doing things locally are winning great battles.

Funny I should read this, this past weekend we had a gunshow where I helped out at their table, we had someone come by and start telling us that the NRA sponsored the bill and did all the legwork behind it to get it passed which is so far from the truth, it's ridiculous that anyone would think that.

AZCDL did the work, the very hard work, mostly alone, and deserve all the credit. The NRA stepped in at the last minute, and while they did add a welcome weight to the AZCDL effort, saying the NRA had a controlling hand in from beginning to end is fantasy. AZCDL rocks.

 

[Cosmoline]

exploit loopholes in state gun laws to purchase semi-automatic rifles.

So being able to purchase a semi is a "loophole"?! The MSM continues to impress me with the depth of their partisan hackery.