Shipping a rifle from Ca, to Fl, FFL what do i need to know

[jeeptim]

My son just sold a model 100 on G/B to a guy in Fl. we are in Ca, he has sent a copy of the FFL to send it to he wants him (my son) to ship it via fed=ex ground w/ins I understand we need to check the FFL# and send a copy of my son's D/L is that it? I mean we live in Ca, and nothing is ever as it seems or that easy. If we are missing something PLEASE let me know. thanx

 

[nalioth]

When you check with the receiving FFL, he'll tell you how he wants the shipment.

Some FFLs actually don't expect anything but a "heads up" about the item being shipped.

Legally, all an FFL needs is a return address on the package the firearm arrives in (but a note as to who it's meant for would be nice )

 

[dogtown tom]

nalioth:...Legally, all an FFL needs is a return address on the package the firearm arrives in

Are you an FFL?
The reason I ask is there is no law that states what you posted above.

What IS required under Federal law:

§ 478.125 Record of receipt and disposition.
(e) Firearms receipt and disposition by dealers. Except as provided in §478.124a with respect to alternate records for the receipt and disposition of firearms by dealers, each licensed dealer shall enter into a record each receipt and disposition of firearms. In addition, before commencing or continuing a firearms business, each licensed dealer shall inventory the firearms possessed for such business and shall record same in the record required by this paragraph. The record required by this paragraph shall be maintained in bound form under the format prescribed below. The purchase or other acquisition of a firearm shall, except as provided in paragraph (g) of this section, be recorded not later than the close of the next business day following the date of such purchase or acquisition. The record shall show the date of receipt, the name and address or the name and license number of the person from whom received, the name of the manufacturer and importer (if any), the model, serial number, type, and the caliber or gauge of the firearm....

If you were a licensed dealer you would be aware that packages often bear only the return address of the UPS Store, Mail Boxes, Etc or any of a thousand other shipping stores.......and NOT the name and address of the person who is transferring the firearm to the dealer.

No Federal law or ATF regulation says what proof of identity or documentation is acceptable.........so it is up to each dealer to determine what he will accept as proper identification. Even the most inexperienced licensed dealer can comprehend that "UPS Store #175, Bubbaville, TX 75023" simply does not meet the above requirement.

While the letter of the law leaves a lot to be desired, common sense business practices by the dealer (like requiring a copy of the senders drivers license) help him meet the recordkeeping requirement of CFR 478.125 (e)

 

[[email protected]]

The big deal is to be exact with what the FFL in Florida wants... doesn't matter if it is 'legal or not' do what they require.

Mine here in S.C. will accept from an individual as long as they include a copy of their D.L. and this copy is signed in Red or Blue ink.

Now as to whether you can ship that long gun out of CA. via Fed Ex... I don't have a clue.

 

[Bubbles]

Now as to whether you can ship that long gun out of CA. via Fed Ex... I don't have a clue.

Under federal law long guns can be shipped by non-FFL's via USPS or common carrier like UPS, FedEx, etc. I don't know if CA has any state-specific requirements.

No matter which shipper you select, make sure to get insurance and adult signature required.

 

[oneounceload]

If you were a licensed dealer you would be aware that packages often bear only the return address of the UPS Store, Mail Boxes, Etc or any of a thousand other shipping stores.......and NOT the name and address of the person who is transferring the firearm to the dealer.

The UPS Store (previously Mailboxes, Etc.), won't accept guns for shipment - you need to take it to a hub. There you will need to put your return address on the package - same as with Fedex or USPS.

All that is required is the return address. I, however, enclose a copy of my DL, along with a copy of a BOS for the buyer. I also address the package to the buyer in care of the FFL (leaving out any business name that has gun or similar in it). That way, the FFL knows who to call when the box shows up. I also send the buyer the tracking number so HE can alert his FFL about when to expect it. I do that because I believe it is the right way to do it, not because I am legally obliged to.

 

[dogtown tom]

oneounceload:...The UPS Store (previously Mailboxes, Etc.), won't accept guns for shipment...

Sure they do....they just aren't aware that the package contains a firearm.
I get handguns three or four times each month with a return address from a UPS Store. UPS shipping policy is very clear about how and where you can ship a firearm.....and it can't do a thing about someone ignorant of that policy or who deliberately ignores it.

oneounceload ...All that is required is the return address.

No such requirement in Federal law.
Again, what IS required is for the dealer to record the name and address of the person from whom the firearm was received. Sound business practice is to verify the identity of the person who shipped the firearm. The return address label offers no verification.

oneounceload:...I, however, enclose a copy of my DL, along with a copy of a BOS for the buyer. I also address the package to the buyer in care of the FFL (leaving out any business name that has gun or similar in it). That way, the FFL knows who to call when the box shows up. I also send the buyer the tracking number so HE can alert his FFL about when to expect it. I do that because I believe it is the right way to do it, not because I am legally obliged to.

Any FFL in the country would be happy to do business with you.

 

[NavyLCDR]

The return address label offers no verification.

Neither does a photocopy of a driver's license.

Seems to me like the most accurate answer of from whom a firearm came from would be from the buyer. After all, he/she had to deliver the purchase money to someone.