"Shockwave" style guns = love or hate?

[jag1954]

To be honest, I truly do not think that I would have either the control/comfort level for it. Nothing against it whatsoever, but my Charles Daly tactical 301 is both suitable and controllable (after much practice and range time with various loads) for me.

 

[RedlegRick]

I saw a guy try that with an earlier pistol grip 18" Mossberg. He couldn't hit shooting from the hip, so he held it up to aim. Then he was looking for his missing tooth to see if it could be reimplanted.

I had a Maverick 88 that came that way. I found that by keeping it just under face level, I could point well enough to keep everything more or less in the black, but still ended up putting a real stock on it for other uses. But if you aren't cavalier holding it, a pistol grip cruiser is usable at very close range. Never tried further that fifteen yards with mine. Considered getting a Shockwave before, but the cons outweighed the pros in my personal demands along those lines.

 

[Styx]

Assuming the NFA was gone I could have a stock on a shotgun that would fold up shorter than a current Shockwave or Tac-14. It would be more concealable, more controllable, and only slightly slower to deploy.

Bullpup shotguns are an option right now, but they'll probably will be banned after or with the Shockwave variants.


18" 6+1 Rem 870 with pistol grip.
14" 5+1 Mossberg Shockwave with bird grip.
18.5" 14+1 Kel Tec KSG

 

[mcb]

Bullpup shotguns are an option right now, but they'll probably will be banned after or with the Shockwave variants.

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Bullpup shotguns are stylistic abomination, no self respecting operator would be caught dead with a bullpup shotgun.

This is the only acceptable bullpup shotgun, giggle switch included.

 

[Styx]

Bullpup shotguns are stylistic abomination, no self respecting operator would be caught dead with a bullpup shotgun.

This is the only acceptable bullpup shotgun, giggle switch included.

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What is that hideousness monster called?

 

[entropy]

Pancor Jackhammer.

 

[Insignificant bill]

Personally I think they are ugly and awkward

 

[a_canadian]

Quite enjoy shooting my little 870. It's not a birdshead grip, but with low recoil (1200fps) shells it's quite manageable. First time I shot it I forgot to grip hard and push forward with the left hand, just held it lightly like I would a rifle. I'm forgetful. It snapped back about 4", leaving my hand out in front and the barrel rising maybe 2". If I had persisted in holding it in such a silly manner, of course that would make racking in the next shell somewhat slower as I fumbled to regain control, but simply remembering it's a 12ga and holding it properly corrected the issue. Kick into the pistol grip doesn't feel like a very big deal. Hardly my favourite gun, but it's nice to have. I like the simplicity, and that it fits in a small pack with easy access when hiking in bear territory. For home it's my bedside gun and sits with a pair of decent earmuffs, but I'd prefer the suppressed 9mm pcc to preserve my hearing more easily - but my wife isn't comfortable with that bulky thing standing by the bed, while the 870 can tuck neatly out of sight.

 

[irishlad]

The grandson won a 870 tac 14. He likes it. I'm not big on it. Much rather have a stock and 18 inch barrel.

 

[FL-NC]

I don't have a use for such a thing, now that I don't have a requirement to defeat locking mechanisms in doors ballistically. We did have shotguns similar to these for the sole use of breaching. If I need to actually shoot anything with a shotgun, I want a stock. If it is for some type of defensive/antipersonnel use, I would also require a mounted white light.

 

[scaatylobo]

Here is a 73 + year old shooting a Shockwave 12bore with Aguala slugs.

Not easy but doable for sure.

So much for excuses ?.

 

[GEM]

So if you shoot it with the same total extension length as a shotgun with a stock (note that Tom Givens - great shotgun teacher - says shorten your stock), what's the benefit over a conventional shotgun?

 

[Kevin Keith]

So if you shoot it with the same total extension length as a shotgun with a stock (note that Tom Givens - great shotgun teacher - says shorten your stock), what's the benefit over a conventional shotgun?

I'd say portability and concealability

 

[GEM]

When would the average person need to conceal such a gun? If you have to carry it in a case, is being a touch shorter such a big deal? Sorry to be a downer on the gun, but I just don't see it.

 

[entropy]

The guns (with what is now called a Raptor grip) were originally designed as police stakeout guns/witness protection guns, but with shorter barrels, since NFA approval on a police letterhead is not a problem. Someone discovered that putting a 14" barrel on a virgin receiver with a Raptor grip brought the OAL over 26, thus not a shotgun (never been fitted with a stock) nor a pistol, SBS, or AOW. When Mossberg, and then Remington picked up on this, the guns' popularity soared. They are a fun range gun if nothing else, a handy truck gun, good in small areas (apt's, RV's, etc.) and can be "holstered".
IIRC, concealing one instantly turns it into an SBS ?) I don't have one, had fun shooting a friend's at the range. I prefer a stock, even on a SBS. An 18" barrel and a stock is fine with me. But hey, I'm not going to say, " because I don't like them, I don't want anyone to have them", that view is too much like the opposition's.

 

[irishlad]

I prefer a stock, even on a SBS. An 18" barrel and a stock is fine with me. But hey, I'm not going to say, " because I don't like them, I don't want anyone to have them", that view is too much like the opposition's.

I agree. Having a choice is a good thing.

 

[DeepSouth]

IIRC, concealing one instantly turns it into an SBS ?)

I have been told this as well, I would keep mine in my truck but in AL a gun in a vehicle is considered concealed. So putting it in the truck may make it a SBS, also if that’s true I’m not sure how I was supposed to get it home.

The Shockwave apparently has some grey areas that I’d rather not get into, so mine stays in the house, ready to dispatch animals in my yard.

 

[12Bravo20]

The guns (with what is now called a Raptor grip) were originally designed as police stakeout guns/witness protection guns, but with shorter barrels, since NFA approval on a police letterhead is not a problem. Someone discovered that putting a 14" barrel on a virgin receiver with a Raptor grip brought the OAL over 26, thus not a shotgun (never been fitted with a stock) nor a pistol, SBS, or AOW. When Mossberg, and then Remington picked up on this, the guns' popularity soared. They are a fun range gun if nothing else, a handy truck gun, good in small areas (apt's, RV's, etc.) and can be "holstered".
IIRC, concealing one instantly turns it into an SBS ?) I don't have one, had fun shooting a friend's at the range. I prefer a stock, even on a SBS. An 18" barrel and a stock is fine with me. But hey, I'm not going to say, " because I don't like them, I don't want anyone to have them", that view is too much like the opposition's.

Actually concealing anything that is classified as a "firearm" to include the Shockwave and TAC 13/14 turns them instantly into an AOW- Any Other Weapon. AOW's are still controlled under under NFA laws.

And the ones I used in the military were shorter than 26". I do find that my Shockwave is very useful for it's intended use.

 

[cdb1]

I have no use for them.

 

[entropy]

Actually concealing anything that is classified as a "firearm" to include the Shockwave and TAC 13/14 turns them instantly into an AOW- Any Other Weapon. AOW's are still controlled under under NFA laws.

And the ones I used in the military were shorter than 26". I do find that my Shockwave is very useful for it's intended use.

Yup; AOW. I knew it was an NFA item, AOW would make more sense.
I did not recall correctly.

 

[Antihero]

I thought they were kinda ridiculous until I bought one and started putting it thru it's paces.

For starters, recoil really isn't bad. It's at 44mag range IMO. It's very heavy

Hipshooting it is easy and took about 10 rounds to get comfortable with, seriously. Shot loads are easier but slugs aren't hard either.

It won't replace my normal shotgun, but it's a great addition to a HD arsenal, they are wayyyyyyyyy handier than you'd think.

 

[herrwalther]

I’ve shot the mini shells, buckshot, slugs and birdshot. I’ve also shot full power buckshot and will have to say that those were not all that fun.

How reliably does the Tac-14 feed the minis? I have an Opsol adapter in my 88 shotgun to feed minis and they haven't made one for Remington.

 

[a_canadian]

Haven't tried mini shells with mine. It would be nice to have more than the currently available 3 x 2-3/4" shells, but not a deal breaker for me. When in the bush it holds 1400fps 00 buckshot first, followed by a pair of 1oz 1200fps slugs. For home it holds 3 x #7.5 shot shells with beeswax binding it for slug-like penetration, then fast dispersion to prevent harm to a neighbour as the wax comes apart.

Since I took the photos above I've installed a little flashlight, for which those two inserts were designed - a Photon keychain light. Not all that bright. But very handy for up close ranges such as one would use it in home defense, and it's right there under my fingers to press when holding the forend.

 

[Styx]

When would the average person need to conceal such a gun? If you have to carry it in a case, is being a touch shorter such a big deal? Sorry to be a downer on the gun, but I just don't see it.

They are useful and better than a shotgun in cases where space maybe tight and/or concealment is needed. In situations where a shotgun will be two long to both conceal and to cumbersome to deploy and use. I carry mine in a small duffle bag in my car. I can carry it carry it to and from my vehicle and even around town without anyone knowing I'm carrying a shotgun. I can tuck it under my car seat, or comfortably keep it laying right beside me in my car. I can shoot from inside my vehicle or other confined spaces. I can access it much faster vs a fullsized shotgun.

They offer great firepower in situations where a full sized shotgun would not be practical to carry or deploy. They have their place and, even though you and others might dismiss all the evidence that is contrary to their preconceived opinions, they can be fired quickly and accurately with self defense loads.

A touch shorter? Even if the person shooting one fully extends there arms like in scaatylobo's pic (which isn't how they're normally fired), there is still less barrel. Can you seriously stay you do not see a difference in discrete transportation, storage, and/or concealment between the two? Seriously? What about when it comes to carrying, storing, concealing, deploying, firing either from a vehicle or other confined spaces? The overall length of a typical shotgun is 39.5" =/-. The overall length of the shockwave if just over 26".

 

[scaatylobo]

They come in different 'flavorView attachment 1007693 s' too.
Got to T&E the newbie in semi auto today.