shotgun or handgun HD

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Okay, I know there is a lot of different opinions on the best weapon for HD, ie. shotgun vs. handgun etc. And I guess different situations warrant different responses. This probably sounds funny, but I'm not sure which is the best choice, and a stressful situation such as a breakin is DEFINITELY not the time for indecision:uhoh: My shotgun certainly provides more power and is somewhat easier to hit your BG, although unwieldy, and my .45 gov. is more easy to swing around and move about. What to do!:banghead:
 
i use my handgun to "fight" my way to the shotgun, or if the wife is in the fight with me, i keep the handgun and she gets the shotgun. i cover her while she gets the shotgun into the fight and then we move to secure the kids, and hold out until the police arrive. i take point as i am more experienced, and if anyone gets hit i want it to be me. also i have the handgun as i am more accurate with it, and if the need arised i could take alot harder shots with it.
 
It depends entirely upon your individual situation, especially the size and layout of your home.

I live in a small apartment with narrow hallways and doorways. A long gun is nearly worthless here. I rely upon handguns. Your home may be entirely the opposite.
 
It depends...

If you are ready, in a defensive position and know that there is a threat about to present itself... Shotgun with a handgun as backup. (ready and aiming at entrance to you secured room)

If you are not ready for a threat, or sure there is a threat, need to get to a defensive position that hopefully has a shotgun/long gun. Handgun.

That is my opinion.

I find it much easier to have handgun accessible, or carry, and to secure in such a way that it is kid and visitor safe. I have found it hard to keep a shotgun accessible for intimidate defense while at the same time keeping it in a locked kid/visitor safe location.

Another thing to consider is the handgun will always have a shorter barrel than the shotgun which might be an advantage in close quarters.

You didn't ask but I prefer a revolver to auto. Not sure why but each time the alarm sounded (spider walking over sensor) or when someone attempted to enter my house at 3am(drunk). I grabbed a revolver from the safe over the auto next to it. My reasoning at the time was I shoot the revolvers better than the autos; I have a heaver trigger on the revolvers that would hopefully reduce the risk of a AD from shaky adrenaline influenced hands; and I did not have to worry about the slide on the auto.
 
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Those are some good points. I do live in a fairly small house which is layed out in such a way as to not provide much 'tactical' or defensive positioning. Exiting our bedroom, w/short hallway exposes me almost instantly to line of fire from front Or back door:uhoh: Actually I have, for that reason, tended to feel more comfortable w/handgun. Obviously I can't change floor plan, so forming a plan that works best under these circumstances is all you can do. Thanks for the advice!:)
 
Too many variables to say one over the other. Are you going to have to get to your childs room? Do you have multiple people in multiple locations? Multi levels? Shared wall/s with neighbors? Are any potential non-targets down range from your shooting position? These, and many more questions have to be addressed before a recommendation can be made.

IMO, pistols are underpowered by design. Handguns do possess portability and concealability, but no handgun is what you can call sufficiently powerful for self defense. To get real power, the kind reliably sufficient to stop an aggressor as quickly as possible, you need to use a shotgun or rifle.

In my situation, I dont need to leave my bedroom. From that position, neighbors are not in danger, etc. My 12G is my clear choice for HD.

Your choice of what gun to use for home defense is really only a very small part of the equation. Before you can be truly well protected, you must have more than a good gun. You need training in how to use it, and just as important, when to use it.
 
I'm absolutely with possum. The only reason we carry handguns at all is because it just isn't practical to carry a long gun everywhere. Concealing a handgun forces you to make compromises in effectiveness. Why would you want to compromise in your home if you don't need to conceal?

Handguns are SOMEWHAT more maneuverable than a handgun. Not VERY. Keeping a handgun extended in front of you is about the same profile as a carbine or short-barreled shotgun. While you can pull a handgun in tight, you will want to extend it again before firing it. You can move with a long gun at low-ready, and with modern adjustable stocks, they can be VERY versatile. With a carbine or shotgun, you have the butt as a striking weapon. A long gun gives you much more leverage in close quarters if the bad guy grabs it.

In the home, both me and my wife plan on the long guns. My primary is my 870 loaded with #4 buck. My backup and her primary is an M-1 carbine.
 
A lot of people put weight to the possibility of ending up in a courtroom.

A jury wull tend to be less frightened by your average bird gun.
The thought process of the uneducated being:

"handguns are for killing people. did this guy just want to kill someone?"

vs

"oh, hes a hunter who defended himself with what he had"

plus, we all know what a a load of .00 buckshot can do :evil:
 
BOTH -- I have handgun in nightstand to get me to my shotgun.
and yes, I have used both for diff't levels of response ;)
 
My situation is very simple.

Hand gun on the belt, shotgun in thier places.

Whatever problem unfolds on my property right that second will determine my fighting decisions.

It would be very fast to deploy handgun to see if that knock on the door is good or bad.

But shotgun with hand gun is very good. either works just as good as the other.

Dont over think it and hurt yourself. Get a shotgun and a handgun. I can see myself running out of shells and allowing gun to drop and drawing handgun off the belt.

If such a bad guy should suffer those massive wounds inflicted by shotgun and still advance on us.. I guess you will all be reading about our demise in the media if my handgun head shot markmanship fails me... LOLZ.

Make sure the shotgun has a sling on it, a good one. And you get a surefire LED self defense light to go with the pistol and a celluar phone. Those ear bobs you wear can assist you in talking to 911 while holding hand gun at badguy and light into eyes with both hands using voice command on cell phone on your belt.

In my state we resolve the sitaution and then call 911 for the cleanup. They usually only get one surviving story and sufficent forensics to support it.
 
OK. I'll bite. Why do you fight your way to a shotgun:what:? At night, I have an 1187 10 shooter with a six shot side saddle and a blinding light in one of the spaces on the side saddle. Within arms reach is a Colt Commander with a 10 round clip and another 10 round clip beside the pistol.
Is there rugrat problems?
 
I have a handgun on my night stand and a shotgun not to far away but yes I prefer my 9 shot 590 its what my main go to is in HD situation.
 
It's not that difficult a decision.

For INSIDE the house, a handgun wins. The only exception to this is for the "safe room" where you can barricade the family and aim the shotgun at the door while waiting for the cops to arrive.

The handgun is MUCH more maneuverable in tight quarters than a long gun.(if you disagree, then your tactics need attention)

If you have kids to wrangle or doors to open, again, advantage goes to the handgun. Why? Because a shotgun requires TWO HANDS to keep at the ready.

Also, unless your shotgun is already set up for attaching a flashlight, trying to do both with a long gun is comical at best.

If the threat is outside where handiness of the gun is moot, then a long gun may make more sense, but for most people, the threats will be indoors.

Which handgun/caliber is another can of worms, but for your question, the handgun wins easily.
 
For quick-access HD, I have a lock-up cabinet bolted to the wall in my bedroom closet. It gets unlocked every night at bedtime. There's a 18.5" 20 ga Mossberg w/#4 high brass bird in there that my wife considers "hers". There's also my Mossberg 590 with eight rounds of "managed recoil" 00 buck, which I'd grab if someone was pounding on the door at 3:00 am. There's also a 30-30 lever gun and a 26" barrel 870 loaded with full-power 00 buck for if the threat is something like a coyote in the back yard. ...and all these long guns wear butt cuffs with extra rounds.

My daily-carry S&W 442 also gets parked in there every night. ...But if I hear a bump in the night and think maybe, just maybe, someone's already inside the house, I grab my S&W 5904 9mm auto (with 17 in the mag and one in the pipe). Why? Well I'm in boxer shorts and ain't interested in carrying an extra mag in my arse, so 18 rounds in a package I can tuck close-in to my chest while going to investigate what the cat knocked-over seems the most appropriate in those situations.

Les
 
I have listened to Mas Ayoob counsel that folk use a handgun for HD if you have a high probability of needing to move around the dwelling *and* operate the weapon with a single hand while doing so, and use a shotgun as more of a barricade, 'sit-and-wait-for-the-cops' kind of weapon. For folk that don't have a lot of experience using a long gun indoors, that's probably sound advice.

Yes, it dismisses the issues of penetration and noise/flash and all that, but those issues can likely be addressed in part thru ammo selection.

In my case, I have to secure my HD weapons from small children. Securing a handgun near the bed is a lot easier than securing a long gun. This sort of problem - how to store it - is as defining as any other.
 
HD, shotgun or handgun.

I've got a 18" barrel pistol grip mossburg, which I bought intending for home defence. I keep the first shell loaded birdshot, with two 00 shells behind it in the tube, a handfull on the shelf where I believe I could grab them. I know you can load pellet shot into pistols, but in my experience, this is almost worthless beyond 8 or 10 feet, my purpose of loading a shell of birdshot is that even from the hip, I'm almost assured a hit on anything I fire at, whatever I hit is going to know it was hit but is probably not dead but hurt. I know my next shot is a highpower 12ga round thats going to floor whatever I hit, and that I'm almost assured a second hit.
My concern with home defence is that I'm able to stop a home intrusion, protecting myself and not hurt any neighbors or innocents, perhaps forcing the intruders to flee without shooting.
I keep the gun unloaded for safety and for the chance that just hearing me rack a shell might scare someone off, that and yelling and most intruders would perhaps flee. It's important to note that I think this is also critical to asses the intruders intent and approach, if they think an armed homeowner is aware of their presence and will not run, this is NOT an opportunist, or pinkish teenager.
Right out my bedroom door is a hall, from the end of which I can see my front door and also hit a light switch that would illuminate the living room. My basic notion is simply that if I've really got to fight someone off, thats as far into my house as I would get, the end of that hall. From the hall I could see anyone going threw the front door.
I know it's simple but I can't imagine what else I might do in the even of a break in. Things could get complicated, more than one assailant, breaking in threw a back window, other things, but as far as plans for the unforeseen go, I tend to think simple is better.
In review: Benefits of the shottie are 1) Loud, unmistakable sound of racking shells, may scare intruders off, no rounds fired, to me the best senario 2) Loading of shots that will stop or deter an assailant (birdshot, beanbag), but will also not carry much power threw neighbors doors or walls, if at all. Also will allow loading of shots that will drop a 200lb boar on pcp (high power 00, slugs).
If you have no innocents to worry about (who?) you could even load slugs with a birdshot or even beanbag starter.
Shotguns offer alot of flexibility, "entree" or "cruiser" style guns are very compact and maneuverable, and they offer *IMO* the best of non lethal and TOTALY letal options.
My choice for HD, the PG 12ga pump shottie.
 
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My shotgun is loaded with 00 Buck. I don't live an apartment, but the house is brick, so unless I shoot through a window, the pellets are staying inside the house. (preferably, inside the felon)

I don't believe in an "escalating force" protocol when it comes to loading a gun for self defense. If I have to shoot at all, that means I need to STOP the guy NOW. I may, after all, only get one shot. And he may be paritially hidden by the couch. I won't have the time or inclination to shoot at him first with a beanbag round, followed by a quail load, followed by the REAL SD load...all while HE is trying to kill ME.......or my kids/wife.

Also, birdshot doesn't make a "cover the wall' pattern at typical across the room distances. The pattern is probably closer to 10" - 12" from one wall to the next...not as hard to miss as one may have thought.

Take your shotgun out to the range and see what it does at 15 feet or whatever distance you think the most likely shot would be.

Oh, and fire from the hip to see how close you get. ONLY THE FIRST SHOT COUNTS....just like it would in a defensive situation.

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Easy answer: sell one and then you won't be undecided at a crucial moment. But seriously, folks, they're just metal tubes from which gas forces lead pellets. They're not magic swords or shields. They won't save you from injury or make you Achilles. They're tools, nothing more.

We speak too much of tools and too little of mindset, conviction, and the warrior ethos. What if the tool won't change the outcome? What if the circumstances are such that you will lose no matter the tool? Will you still resist? Why?

As a newby I humbly suggest a redirection of our thinking from the comfortable quilting bees debating what tool is best to the ethics that make resistance to evil and force worthwhile no matter win or lose, to the warrior mindset, the ethos of the free man, to what separates us from those who are now and will always be prey, and are comfortable in their victimhood and subservience to government.

We are different because we have chosen differently. Why have we done so?
 
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A humble suggestion...

Easy answer: sell one and then you won't be undecided at a crucial moment. But seriously, folks, they're just metal tubes from which gas forces lead pellets. They're not magic swords or shields. They won't save you from injury or make you Achilles. They're tools, nothing more.

We speak too much of tools and too little of mindset, conviction, and the warrior ethos. What if the tool won't change the outcome? What if the circumstances are such that you will lose no matter the tool? Will you still resist? Why?

As a newby I humbly suggest a redirection of our thinking from the comfortable quilting bees debating what tool is best to the ethics that make resistance to evil and force worthwhile no matter win or lose, to the warrior mindset, the ethos of the free man, to what separates us from those who are now and will always be prey, and are comfortable in their victimhood and subservience to government.

We are different because we have chosen differently. Why have we done so?
 
May I add another suggesting.

Strip out the noise makers, bean bags, warning rubbers etc etc etc etc....

Throw all that away.

If you are going to use a gun in home defense, make it REAL DEFENSE with REAL ammuntion like YOU MEAN IT.

In my case I have either a slug to throw into the tube or a triple ought. Either one will do just fine. In fact I fear and respect what the ammuntion can do in all the weapons. No silly cap guns or warning crapith here.

A bean bag shot hits bad guy makes owie and then motivates the bad-guy to be mad-mad.

One or both of us might only get one shot off. It better count. It's all for the marbles.

Oh, one other thing. I dont care who is doing the crime when the correct ... parameters of the law is met. It could be a Martian from Mars, A pink teen not yet full grown or a big hardened felon. Or anyone.

Because of that, wife and I use certain words and make sure one can hear the other correctly before advancing further into the home. No problems and all matter of routine now. Anything else is a problem that requires action. One time recently we had a stranger knocking on our porch claiming to be lost.

He was redirected on his way unaware that I was armed and wife was covering both him and me.

Peacefully and unaware down the correct path he went.
 
Lots and lots of great hardware being talked about in this thread. I'm going to go another direction.

Train with both and use the tool that you believe will best compliment your training to protect you and your family. For a well-trained person, just about any tool will do.

That said, insofar as it has the ability to do more damage with each pull of the trigger, the shotgun will be a better tool if you can effectively wield it. If you doubt your ability to use it in your domain, or if you find your home too restrictive to use it, don't go with it. Often times the ones who say it's not possible to maneuver a shotgun in the "tight" spaces of their home or apartment are not ones who have trained in courses or in FoF to see if this is the case. It's internet advice, and you're getting what you pay for. More training is never a bad thing, and will help narrow your choice, so that's what my free advice recommends.

My shotgun certainly provides more power and is somewhat easier to hit your BG

How so?
 
We do this so many times here on THR, it's getting to be like 9mm vs. .45 arguments :D . It seems to be getting even more popular than many of the other dead horses these days.

My basic response is often very much the same. Number one, get training. The NRA's Personal Protection In The Home class is IMHO a must for this. See http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/basictraining.asp fpr a class description and locator. Failing that, the DVD of the classroom portion ofthe class is available at http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=ES 26840 , and the text at http://www.nrastore.com/nra/Product.aspx?productid=PB+01781 . First you need to develop a home defense plan to go along with your other family emergency plans. Then you need to practice/drill/refine your HD plan, as you should all of your family emergency plans. And if it ever becomes necessary, you need to execute your plan. You need to know some things this class will teach you before you do these things. It really will help.

I'm one of those who pretty much dismisses the idea of clearing your own house all alone in the face of a genuine threat as nigh suicidal. I've spent enough time around people who did kickin' and shootin' for a living, and who trained bunches of other folks in the business, that I don't worry too much about detractors who insist that, with no formal training, no force on force training experience, and no real-world pop-up shoot-back experience, they know better. Sorry 'bout that. If you think it was the cat knocking over something in the living room, then go look if you gotta. I'm not saying anyone should lock down the family and call the cavalry every time there's a bump in the night.

But use a little common sense, please. People who clear houses for a living don't necessarily like to do it, even with a team they have trained and practiced with, and they know that trying it alone is what you might call a poor idea. If your HD plan calls for you to round up and secure family members elsewhere in your home, then you have to move- no question there. And you do need to know some basics to do your necessary movements with a bit more safety, if you have to move. But if your home's perimeter is so flimsy and your early warning systems nonexistent or so unreliable that an intruder actually can get inside your home before you know an intrusion is in progress, you have lots bigger problems than deciding whether you need to grab a shotgun or a handgun...

lpl
 
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Handgun for investigating 'bumps in the night,' shotgun for defending a room when you know there is an intruder in the house and are waiting for the professionals to come remove him/her.

My go-to HD weapon is a DA/SA .45 with a light. My HD shotgun is a. 18 inch double PG folder with shellholder and a light. Weapon-mounted lights are very important on HD weapons.

If you're going to be moving, i think you should take the handgun. It allows for more maneuverability indoors, can be operated with one hand (leaving your other hand to manipulate doorknobs or push back an attacker). It is also more difficult for a BG to control the muzzle of your handgun than your shotgun should they actually get close enough to you to get a hand on it.

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